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Venom7000 #1 Posted 23 March 2019 - 07:10 PM

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I just noticed that I have a full crew trained to 2nd perk/skill leftover from my Kv85. I put them in to my SU85 and reset the skills. So I have 1 free skill to 100 and next one to 88%.

What skills and perks do you recommend on a Russian TD line??
(Planing to go down the SU152 line and end it with Object 268)

XxKuzkina_MatxX #2 Posted 23 March 2019 - 07:22 PM

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Do you have a 268v4 already or you just love the pain? :)

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Venom7000 #3 Posted 23 March 2019 - 07:34 PM

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No I dont ahve any other TD unlocked. Just the su85 stock. But right now I am already sure that I wont go down the su101 line. However I still need advices for relevant crew skills. :)

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Yes sir! :honoring:

 

Commander: 6th sense, repairs, BIA, situational awareness, camo and firefighting

 

Gunner: Repairs, BIA, camo, dead eye, firefighting and snap shot

 

Driver: Repairs, clutch braking, BIA, camo and firefighting

 

Loader 1: Safe stowage, repairs, BIA, camo and firefighting

 

Loader 2: Repairs, BIA and camo



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First, I'd pick crew skills that changes your mind, and makes you go for the Bobjekt line instead.

 

Then, I'd go Sixth Sense for the commander, repairs for others.

2nd, I'd go BiA for everyone.

 

After that, pretty much anything goes. Camo, view range skills etc.



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View PostVenom7000, on 23 March 2019 - 06:10 PM, said:

I just noticed that I have a full crew trained to 2nd perk/skill leftover from my Kv85. I put them in to my SU85 and reset the skills. So I have 1 free skill to 100 and next one to 88%.

What skills and perks do you recommend on a Russian TD line??
(Planing to go down the SU152 line and end it with Object 268)

believe me dont go for obj268 its the worst td in game thats why u dont see it in tier 10 matches i have that td go for obj268v4.I am saying again go for v4 or if u like collecting tank then its ok to get obj268 otherwise no WORST td...


Edited by hasnainrakha57, 23 March 2019 - 08:17 PM.


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View Posthasnainrakha57, on 23 March 2019 - 09:16 PM, said:

believe me dont go for obj268 its the worst td in game thats why u dont see it in tier 10 matches i have that td go for obj268v4.I am saying again go for v4 or if u like collecting tank then its ok to get obj268 otherwise no WORST td...

 

Indeed.

 

The line itself isn't that bad. Quite the opposite. The ISU-152 is still a relaxing tank. The tier 10 on the other hand is utter horse Kappa.



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View PostLaatikkomafia, on 23 March 2019 - 08:15 PM, said:

First, I'd pick crew skills that changes your mind, and makes you go for the Bobjekt line instead.

 

Hahahahhahaaha nice one. :D

 

But srsly both of you guys. Is the object268 so bad? (I mean I believe you I just cant get the grips with it). I guess the only thing that atracts me to it is that dirty big 750dmg gun.

you can imagine that I also like the t30 td too by the same logic.

 

Ok still far away from the actual decision time. But will definitely remember what you said guys.

 

Just one more question:

The skills that boost the view range, are they any helpful given how the view range is poor anyways? Since the bobject is assault tank view range is not that important no?

 

 

bonus question:

what makes the object 268 so bad in the curent meta? 

 

Thank you for the answers so far! :)



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268 doesn't have armor.

Bobjekt has BS armor.



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View PostLaatikkomafia, on 23 March 2019 - 08:35 PM, said:

268 doesn't have armor.

Bobjekt has BS armor.

 

Yeah from experience I can confirm that one. 

Also after Repair and BiA should I bother with view range enchancing skills or go for cammo. What is the russian TD lines stronger point. Camo?


Edited by Venom7000, 23 March 2019 - 08:55 PM.


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View PostVenom7000, on 23 March 2019 - 09:54 PM, said:

 

Yeah from experience I can confirm that one. 

Also after Repair and BiA should I bother with view range enchancing skills or go for cammo. What is the russian TD lines stronger point. Camo?

 

The strengths of Bobjekt V4? The fact that the tank has only two weaknesses:

 

-The DPM is on the low side. But that doesn't take the first-shot DPM into account.

-5 degrees of gun depression.

-Arguably the view range is low. But with armor and mobility the tank has, you can and should be front lining with it anyways: https://tanks.gg/tank/obj-268-4/model

 

EDIT: After BiA+Repairs, I'd go for Situational Awareness, Snap shot, Clutch Braking / Smooth Ride, Safe Stowage.

 


Edited by Laatikkomafia, 23 March 2019 - 09:35 PM.


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View PostLaatikkomafia, on 23 March 2019 - 10:31 PM, said:

The strengths of Bobjekt V4? The fact that the tank has only two weaknesses:

 

-The DPM is on the low side. But that doesn't take the first-shot DPM into account.

-5 degrees of gun depression.

-Arguably the view range is low. But with armor and mobility the tank has, you can and should be front lining with it anyways: https://tanks.gg/tank/obj-268-4/model

 

Actually those are 3 but never mind that!

 

  1. Currently the 268v4 has the lowest DPM among the 11 tier 10 TDs. Keep in mind that's a big difference since there is almost 1100 DPM difference between the first and the last places.
  2. The 2nd worst VR after the STRV which usually sporting binos while redlining somewhere on the map.
  3. Worst gun depression of all tier 10 TDs but that's irrelevant since we're comparing it to the 268 which also got 5°. Not a good thing though!
  4. 2nd worst traverse after the venerable Jagdpanzer E100 at 22°. It does not turn easily!
  5. The penetration of the 268v4 is 293/360mm while that of the 268 is 303/395mm which might help with heavily armored slow targets like german and japanese super heavies. 
  6. The 268v4 has atrocious 0.4 dispersion combined with 2.4s aim time and okayish gun handling. The 268 has good 0.32 dispersion considering the caliber (155mm), bad aim time at 2.59s and bad gun handling but at least it can snipe for whatever it's worth!
  7. Now the armor, the 268v4 sure got the better armor compared to the 268 which it should after paying for it with everything or almost everything.

 

So what does that add up to?

 

  • A glorified punching bag IMO
  • Certainly not a tank with a few faults
  • The forum's rhetoric is kind of dumb
  • Most of tier 10 TDs are crappy/situational
  • It helps forming a reasonable opinion on something if you actually played the tank or the tier!
  • The radical change in a tank's stats makes you doubt WG development cycle


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View PostXxKuzkina_MatxX, on 24 March 2019 - 07:45 AM, said:

 

Actually those are 3 but never mind that!

 

  1. Currently the 268v4 has the lowest DPM among the 11 tier 10 TDs. Keep in mind that's a big difference since there is almost 1100 DPM difference between the first and the last places.
  2. The 2nd worst VR after the STRV which usually sporting binos while redlining somewhere on the map.
  3. Worst gun depression of all tier 10 TDs but that's irrelevant since we're comparing it to the 268 which also got 5°. Not a good thing though!
  4. 2nd worst traverse after the venerable Jagdpanzer E100 at 22°. It does not turn easily!
  5. The penetration of the 268v4 is 293/360mm while that of the 268 is 303/395mm which might help with heavily armored slow targets like german and japanese super heavies. 
  6. The 268v4 has atrocious 0.4 dispersion combined with 2.4s aim time and okayish gun handling. The 268 has good 0.32 dispersion considering the caliber (155mm), bad aim time at 2.59s and bad gun handling but at least it can snipe for whatever it's worth!
  7. Now the armor, the 268v4 sure got the better armor compared to the 268 which it should after paying for it with everything or almost everything.

 

So what does that add up to?

 

  • A glorified punching bag IMO
  • Certainly not a tank with a few faults
  • The forum's rhetoric is kind of dumb
  • Most of tier 10 TDs are crappy/situational
  • It helps forming a reasonable opinion on something if you actually played the tank or the tier!
  • The radical change in a tank's stats makes you doubt WG development cycle

 

So you just happen to become a great player when playing the Bobject?

 

Your win rates with tier 10 TDs:

Foch 50B: 47,95%
Grille 15: 48,22%
Strv 103B: 50,16%
Bobject: 58,89%

#Balanced. Bobject isn't broken, it just makes players reach higher win rates across the board.



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View PostLaatikkomafia, on 24 March 2019 - 10:24 AM, said:

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That's exactly the nonsense to be expected from someone with very little experience in tier 10!

 

  • You've no reply whatsoever to the actual stats of either tanks
  • Your most played tier is 5 which makes you a great authority on tier 10 game play!
  • Your most played nation is the USSR so when you whine about their balance you're either a hypocrite or worse!
  • My win rate in the 268v4 is an indication that it was a good tank but so does my win rate in the old 263. What's your point exactly if you have one?


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View PostXxKuzkina_MatxX, on 24 March 2019 - 12:52 PM, said:

 

That's exactly the nonsense to be expected from someone with very little experience in tier 10!

 

  • You've no reply whatsoever to the actual stats of either tanks
  • Your most played tier is 5 which makes you a great authority on tier 10 game play!
  • Your most played nation is the USSR so when you whine about their balance you're either a hypocrite or worse!
  • My win rate in the 268v4 is an indication that it was a good tank but so does my win rate in the old 263. What's your point exactly if you have one?

 

I mean like I wrote. I am a long way from reaching that fork in the road where I have to decide between the SU or ISU line.
I play heavy tanks mostly and face off on short distances with my enemies. I play TDs to relax and snipe. To play while not being in the heat of the action necessarily. I dont think that assault TD is something that I am looking for necessarily because I get enough action and things shoot at me in my heavy tanks.
However like hasnainrakha57 said, the Object 268 is far from good and from what I been reading yesterday. Almost 99% of players say that its an outdated tank and has been left behind. Almost all players.

I cant believe that the tank is that bad. I mean it most likely is since that big of a majority of people cant be all wrong.

IDK. I am having fun so far. But boy, do I need to GTFO from the lower tier games. I forgot how many window lickers live there. I can barely carry the game in heavy tank (and most times fail at that). However when you are in a turret-less TD. You are pretty much done.

 


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View PostVenom7000, on 24 March 2019 - 11:44 PM, said:

I mean like I wrote. I am a long way from reaching that fork in the road where I have to decide between the SU or ISU line.
I play heavy tanks mostly and face off on short distances with my enemies. I play TDs to relax and snipe. To play while not being in the heat of the action necessarily. I dont think that assault TD is something that I am looking for necessarily because I get enough action and things shoot at me in my heavy tanks.
However like hasnainrakha57 said, the Object 268 is far from good and from what I been reading yesterday. Almost 99% of players say that its an outdated tank and has been left behind. Almost all players.

I cant believe that the tank is that bad. I mean it most likely is since that big of a majority of people cant be all wrong.

IDK. I am having fun so far. But boy, do I need to GTFO from the lower tier games. I forgot how many window lickers live there. I can barely carry the game in heavy tank (and most times fail at that). However when you are in a turret-less TD. You are pretty much done.

 

Currently both of them, the 268v4 and the 268, are bad in their own ways as the numbers show.

 

You need a sniper TD to relax a bit, i get that and used to do the same in the skorpion or the WT. If that's your purpose, there is no need to go all the way up to tier 10. There're a few tier 9 TDs which are good and more competitive than their tier 10 counterparts.

 

There're 11 tier 9 TDs of which (8) are brawlers with some sort of armor like:

 

  • 263
  • WZ-111G FT
  • Jagdtiger
  • Tortoise
  • T30
  • T95
  • Foch
  • 704

That leaves you with the Conway, Strv and the WT. Having a turret is very important as you said yourself so you've a choice between the Conway and the WT. Both are good and both have monstrous DPM, accurate guns but the Conway is not as vulnerable to HE as the WT and a bit faster with a lot of gun depression.

 

If you want to use your russian crew, stick with the ISU-152 at tier 8 or the 704 at tier 9 but IMO i don't think those are good choices. It's not your fault or mine that WG screwed the USSR TD line! :)


Edited by XxKuzkina_MatxX, 24 March 2019 - 11:45 PM.


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View Posthasnainrakha57, on 23 March 2019 - 09:16 PM, said:

believe me dont go for obj268 its the worst td in game thats why u dont see it in tier 10 matches i have that td go for obj268v4.I am saying again go for v4 or if u like collecting tank then its ok to get obj268 otherwise no WORST td...

 

View PostLaatikkomafia, on 23 March 2019 - 09:20 PM, said:

 

Indeed.

 

The line itself isn't that bad. Quite the opposite. The ISU-152 is still a relaxing tank. The tier 10 on the other hand is utter horse Kappa.

Obj.268 isn't that bad,just requires a reload buff or traverse and it's fine. If you have a good crew,it helps as well. But these days everyone plays bobject,because... it's idiot-proof.

 

View PostLaatikkomafia, on 23 March 2019 - 09:35 PM, said:

268 doesn't have armor.

Bobjekt has BS armor.

 

It has armor,just very trollish,and it only works at range of at least 200m,where guns with worse handling have a chance to hit either your left or right cheek (as this TD is based off the old IS-8) with a decrease in penetration. Wiggling while on reload also helps,just don't overangle.

 

Bobject,as I already mentioned,is simply idiot-proof. It doesn't punish you for mistakes. You don't get smarter. You only degenerate by playing it. The same kind of goes for Obj,430U,but to a lesser extent.

 

On the topic though: You said you were going SU-152.

Camo and repairs are a must. You have low mobility,therefore staying hidden is key,depending on map.


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View PostXxKuzkina_MatxX, on 24 March 2019 - 11:05 PM, said:

 

Currently both of them, the 268v4 and the 268, are bad in their own ways as the numbers show.

 

You need a sniper TD to relax a bit, i get that and used to do the same in the skorpion or the WT. If that's your purpose, there is no need to go all the way up to tier 10. There're a few tier 9 TDs which are good and more competitive than their tier 10 counterparts.

 

There're 11 tier 9 TDs of which (8) are brawlers with some sort of armor like:

 

  • 263
  • WZ-111G FT
  • Jagdtiger
  • Tortoise
  • T30
  • T95
  • Foch
  • 704

That leaves you with the Conway, Strv and the WT. Having a turret is very important as you said yourself so you've a choice between the Conway and the WT. Both are good and both have monstrous DPM, accurate guns but the Conway is not as vulnerable to HE as the WT and a bit faster with a lot of gun depression.

 

If you want to use your russian crew, stick with the ISU-152 at tier 8 or the 704 at tier 9 but IMO i don't think those are good choices. It's not your fault or mine that WG screwed the USSR TD line! :)

Yeah, I mean we are talking about a thing that is still a looong way from me. But I appreciate the detailed answers. I really do.
You are right. I know that some tier 9 are better than their tier 10 successor. But probably not so much in raw stats as its almost impossible to have an objectively worse tank in the upper tier (but I am sure that WG is working hard on that :D)
But the problem lies in the fact that remainder of the tier 10 tanks are much more OP than the tank that you decided to advance to (basically it had marginal improvements instead of being just flat out OP)

I like playing Russian tech tree because I am from Eastern Europe and they feel more closer to me than say Swedish or UK or US tanks. I just recently opened up the German Tech tree for the Maus. Im thinking of starting the Chinese one day. From the US tech tree you are 100% right. That T30 is my fav tank. It was a good HT and its a damn good TD now. I would gladly skip all and just play that tank from the" CocaCola tech tree" :D

It was one of the few tanks that I started playing WOT because of. Other being KV2, and thank god at least that one is a lower tier dream. This thing is Tier 9.

In short. I just want something that doesnt have to be precise (otherwise go Swedish) and has a lot of punch so I can punish people for ignoring me. Just like my KV2 :justwait:

I love nuke tanks. Despite how inaccurate and unreliable they are. I was never a DPS player. In any game. That is not my play-style. And most prob why I suck donkey [edited]in mediums.

 

View PostlnfernaI, on 24 March 2019 - 11:10 PM, said:

 

Obj.268 isn't that bad,just requires a reload buff or traverse and it's fine. If you have a good crew,it helps as well. But these days everyone plays bobject,because... it's idiot-proof.

 

 

It has armor,just very trollish,and it only works at range of at least 200m,where guns with worse handling have a chance to hit either your left or right cheek (as this TD is based off the old IS-8) with a decrease in penetration. Wiggling while on reload also helps,just don't overangle.

 

Bobject,as I already mentioned,is simply idiot-proof. It doesn't punish you for mistakes. You don't get smarter. You only degenerate by playing it. The same kind of goes for Obj,430U,but to a lesser extent.

 

On the topic though: You said you were going SU-152.

Camo and repairs are a must. You have low mobility,therefore staying hidden is key,depending on map.


I see. Well most people mention that Bobject is very broken and I saw SirFoch's rant on it and faced few myself. I guess they have to have a tank or two (entire Jap super heavy line) so the low skill players have something to enjoy and spend money on (since Tier 9 and 10 are rarely credit earners). 
Even SirFoch said that the HD 268 is not good anymore. He didnt say horrible but he did say bad.
I have a feeling that just like the IS6 they will eventually run out of things to buff and will revisit the 268 at some point. I want to have it at least unlocked before that. Or the very least have buy it and have them remove it and compensate me with something better. :trollface:


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Depends on how you plan to play them. As crew skills are there to compensate for something you feel is lacking. Now for me I went full repair with Safe stowage on one loader at least. SU-100 and 152 to name a few do struggle with their ammo rack. BIA as a 2nd and then view range focus, camo was a bonus. I played my SU-100 and 152 aggressive as all heck. Same with the other TD's on that line. Heck I even ran toolbox on a few of them like the reworked SU-100M1 line. As that tank is rather good now as top tier if you like to play aggressive.

 

Tho tbh I've not played the SU-85 since I did the grind years ago to say if the same works for that now unlike the rest. But if you plan to move the crew up, it matters little anyway. And you might as well get that repair going. But still. You can retrain if you feel your focus should be elsewhere.







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