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Tha_Truth #21 Posted 25 March 2019 - 12:42 AM

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View PostDraqutsc, on 24 March 2019 - 04:19 PM, said:

If they sold the old elc amx with the old stats as a tier 6 premium tank, i would buy it.

I think a lot of old elc players share the same opinion.

 

i wanted to type exactly the same.

falcon_96 #22 Posted 25 March 2019 - 10:00 AM

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View PostDraqutsc, on 24 March 2019 - 03:19 PM, said:

If they sold the old elc amx with the old stats as a tier 6 premium tank, i would buy it.

I think a lot of old elc players share the same opinion.

 

Why is throwing my wallet at the screen not working?

Wintermute_1 #23 Posted 25 March 2019 - 10:37 AM

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Recently rebought it for the wheeled vehicle grind like everyone else. It's NOTHING like I remember playing it years ago. It used to absolutely fly over the map but now it gets left standing by other lights and when you hit any destructable object like a low stone wall you stop dead. I didnt know it had been nerfed and just thought 'why the hell did everyone like this tank?'. The nerf explains alot.

Noo_Noo #24 Posted 25 March 2019 - 11:06 AM

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I had 2 marked it and was heading for 2 marks before the change. 

Now, I really struggle with it. Its just not the same tank anymore. 


The best way I can describe it is getting 2 punctures on your bike. Its still a bike but you cant really use it now. 

 

Fair play to those that can make it work but I really don't enjoy low tiers either. They are so screwed up right now there's no fun there.

Just a further note on this. The only reason I would be playing this is to unlock the Wheeled vehicle line. However, the EBR 75, the premium, is again flat out better than the standard tier 8 one so quite honestly why bother with the grind? I guess WG don't want people grinding lines anymore. Just buy the premium and play that.


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falcon_96 #25 Posted 25 March 2019 - 11:08 AM

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View PostWintermute_1, on 25 March 2019 - 09:37 AM, said:

Recently rebought it for the wheeled vehicle grind like everyone else. It's NOTHING like I remember playing it years ago. It used to absolutely fly over the map but now it gets left standing by other lights and when you hit any destructable object like a low stone wall you stop dead. I didnt know it had been nerfed and just thought 'why the hell did everyone like this tank?'. The nerf explains alot.

 

Yes, the mobility nerf destroyed it, if they just nerfed the 90mm i would understand, but why the mobility? Oh, and then there is also the final insult to that once awesome little bug, the hp nerf, now if you get hit by an, arty, most tier 7 heavy guns, tier 5 or even tier 4 derp gun it is game over! 400hp was perfectly balanced! Why nerfing it to 320!?

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View Postfalcon_96, on 25 March 2019 - 11:08 AM, said:

 

Yes, the mobility nerf destroyed it, if they just nerfed the 90mm i would understand, but why the mobility? Oh, and then there is also the final insult to that once awesome little bug, the hp nerf, now if you get hit by an, arty, most tier 7 heavy guns, tier 5 or even tier 4 derp gun it is game over! 400hp was perfectly balanced! Why nerfing it to 320!?

 

They did nerf the 200mm from memory. Aim time and pen were dropped I think. 

baribal_80 #27 Posted 25 March 2019 - 11:19 AM

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View Postfalcon_96, on 25 March 2019 - 10:08 AM, said:

 

Yes, the mobility nerf destroyed it, if they just nerfed the 90mm i would understand, but why the mobility? Oh, and then there is also the final insult to that once awesome little bug, the hp nerf, now if you get hit by an, arty, most tier 7 heavy guns, tier 5 or even tier 4 derp gun it is game over! 400hp was perfectly balanced! Why nerfing it to 320!?

 

Because it's at tier 5. Giving it medium tank HP with light tank camo, still better mobility than meds and a 240 alpha gun would be bad. 

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View PostWintermute_1, on 25 March 2019 - 10:37 AM, said:

Recently rebought it for the wheeled vehicle grind like everyone else. It's NOTHING like I remember playing it years ago. It used to absolutely fly over the map but now it gets left standing by other lights and when you hit any destructable object like a low stone wall you stop dead. I didnt know it had been nerfed and just thought 'why the hell did everyone like this tank?'. The nerf explains alot.

 

It's only slightly worse than the old stock tank.

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Problem is the god-aweful acceleration due to the huge nerf in engine power.

This thing should really have the old engine power as it needs it in the 90mm play style (shotgun and extract).

 

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LordMuffin #30 Posted 25 March 2019 - 12:11 PM

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View Postbaribal_80, on 24 March 2019 - 10:31 PM, said:

 

I think this is a common misconception. Many of those tanks are still strong since yeah they are much worse but they got much better MM. Wz131 and SPIC are good. M41 is bad but on the other hand t71 is OP as crap. ELC AMX is balanced, just not fun to play. 
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It wasn't better. It was just more fun plus people judge those tanks like they weren't dropped a tier. 

The SPIC is terrible now, since they removed the fun part of that tank.

The 59-16 might be decent, but WG removed the fun part of that tank (gun).

VK 16.02 might be decent, but WG removed the fun part of that tank (gun).

The WZ-131 was very fun with a fun gun, now it is meh. 

The ELC might be balanced, WG also removed what made the tank fun (ie mobility).

 

Not to mention that WG nerfed viewrange on like every light tank.

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View PostMeetriX, on 24 March 2019 - 10:28 PM, said:

How good that was before? :ohmy:

I'm grinding it and like it a lot.

More alpha, higher viewrange. 



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Ya it's a terrible tank now tbh, if not terrible then just boring and ineffective. It moves like the old version when the old version had it's engine shot out and the big gun is nothing worth the bother when you combine that limited turret traverse, the horrible mobility, the disgustingly bad gun stats, aim and 1000 dpm. For just 1 tier higher, you get tanks with about the same or better alpha, twice the dpm, way faster aiming guns, way better pen and better mobility along with some that have full traverse turrets. So I would see no reason to play this tank other than just the grind, it used to be a keeper, now it's very much not.

baribal_80 #32 Posted 25 March 2019 - 12:34 PM

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View PostLordMuffin, on 25 March 2019 - 11:11 AM, said:

The SPIC is terrible now, since they removed the fun part of that tank.

The 59-16 might be decent, but WG removed the fun part of that tank (gun).

VK 16.02 might be decent, but WG removed the fun part of that tank (gun).

The WZ-131 was very fun with a fun gun, now it is meh. 

The ELC might be balanced, WG also removed what made the tank fun (ie mobility).

 

 

 

You mistake fun with good. I agree those tanks are not as fun but they are also not BAD as in bad in terms of winning. WZ131 and SPIC especially are still very strong at winning. 



lnfernaI #33 Posted 25 March 2019 - 03:16 PM

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View PostLordMuffin, on 25 March 2019 - 01:11 PM, said:

 

The 59-16 might be decent, but WG removed the fun part of that tank (gun).

The fun was always with 57mm,not that crappy autoloader,which could barely pen it's own tier,not speaking of 7/8/9.



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Sold my ELC the day after they nerfed it. It was a great french tank and we couldnt have that in the game.
Its pro Russia WG we talk about here.

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View PostTyburn, on 24 March 2019 - 07:40 PM, said:

Totally agree with most of the above. So sad. Was such a fun tank. OP obviously but needed skill to play well.

Now it’s just the same as all the other LT’s in its tier.

I don't say it is fun to play but it is not the same as all the other LTs in its tier. It is still high alfa LT with high camo unlike any other in its tier.



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View PostlnfernaI, on 25 March 2019 - 03:16 PM, said:

The fun was always with 57mm,not that crappy autoloader,which could barely pen it's own tier,not speaking of 7/8/9.

The generic 57mm gun all other light Tanks and T5 medium tanks use.

Nah, boring gun with no uniqueness.

 

I used the autoloader because it was unique and 3-marked it with it :)

Then WG removed the gun and I have no intention of playing it again since it is now just a downgraded Type 64.



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View PostLordMuffin, on 25 March 2019 - 12:11 PM, said:

VK 16.02 might be decent, but WG removed the fun part of that tank (gun).

I don't know what gun it had before but with the machine gun I consider it one of the most fun tank in the game. I would say boarder line OP at T5.



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I'm glad it was nerfed into oblivion, no fun allowed.

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View PostLordMuffin, on 26 March 2019 - 12:22 AM, said:

The generic 57mm gun all other light Tanks and T5 medium tanks use.

Nah, boring gun with no uniqueness.

 

There is fun to be had in being competitive,not in the casual "I play for fun,it's just a game,why u heff be mad" excuse,which is why you might see yourself topping alot of ratings on a per tank case. You'd be surprised how often I see that,when I scroll Left 4 Dead 2 forums on Steam. Countless threads about the same issue,all have the same point in common, and all end as either derailment,or a flame war. Or both.

 

Several times I did use the autoloader,but it's essentially KV-1's stock / Matilda IV's gun, just with better gun handling and the benefits of being autoloader. However,I simply couldn't stand the abysmal penetration of both AP and APCR. Although I'm pretty sure there were potential in clipping tanks with HE clips, provided at least 60% of your clip landed and penetrated.

 

View PostLordMuffin, on 26 March 2019 - 12:22 AM, said:

I used the autoloader because it was unique and 3-marked it with it :)

 

  Well done you... I guess.

 

View Postbaribal_80, on 25 March 2019 - 01:34 PM, said:

 

You mistake fun with good. I agree those tanks are not as fun but they are also not BAD as in bad in terms of winning. WZ131 and SPIC especially are still very strong at winning. 

 

SP I C lost it's autoloader. It has nothing going for it anymore. Besides,might I just add,all Bundeswehr tanks just seem to be complete trash,aside Leopard 1 in some cases,but that too you can know just swap with,say, K-91.

 

Not sure what happened with WZ-131,I haven't played chinese lights ever since I grinded WZ-120 and 121 out of them (when the line was still that way).

 

View PostRenesco, on 26 March 2019 - 12:38 AM, said:

I'm glad it was nerfed into oblivion, no fun allowed.

Only if the player knew what they were doing. But now the tank is simply butchered. Unplayable. No aggressive plays. 


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View PostlnfernaI, on 26 March 2019 - 12:24 AM, said:

 

There is fun to be had in being competitive,not in the casual "I play for fun,it's just a game,why u heff be mad" excuse,which is why you might see yourself topping alot of ratings on a per tank case. You'd be surprised how often I see that,when I scroll Left 4 Dead 2 forums on Steam. Countless threads about the same issue,all have the same point in common, and all end as either derailment,or a flame war. Or both.

 

Several times I did use the autoloader,but it's essentially KV-1's stock / Matilda IV's gun, just with better gun handling and the benefits of being autoloader. However,I simply couldn't stand the abysmal penetration of both AP and APCR. Although I'm pretty sure there were potential in clipping tanks with HE clips, provided at least 60% of your clip landed and penetrated.

 

I used the autoloader because it was unique and 3-marked it with it :)

 

  Well done you... I guess.

 

SP I C lost it's autoloader. It has nothing going for it anymore. Besides,might I just add,all Bundeswehr tanks just seem to be complete trash,aside Leopard 1 in some cases,but that too you can know just swap with,say, K-91.

 

Not sure what happened with WZ-131,I haven't played chinese lights ever since I grinded WZ-120 and 121 out of them (when the line was still that way).

 

Only if the player knew what they were doing. But now the tank is simply butchered. Unplayable. No aggressive plays. 

There is nothing wrong with being competetive, but I prefer competetive and unique tanks to competetive and generic tanks (which is sadly a direction many lights took after the remake).

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View PostMannanan, on 25 March 2019 - 11:32 PM, said:

I don't know what gun it had before but with the machine gun I consider it one of the most fun tank in the game. I would say boarder line OP at T5.

It had a 105mm derp before, same as Pz IV H.







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