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OMG_Abaddon #1 Posted 26 March 2019 - 11:59 AM

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It seems like most games I have to battle as bottom tier of a trash team with 2 or 3 arty, or be part of some steamrollers. I've had games where my team runs forwards and mows everyone, I never even get a chance to shoot at full speed forward on my stock T69, and also those games where I literally get oneshot from across the map. So many games where I have to spam gold if I want to do anything, such as seeing my top heavy tank suicide and I'm second in line to eat some T10 tanks in my IS-M.

 

When I try to be useful I get this: http://prntscr.com/n32ecc

When I try to win daily games I get this: http://prntscr.com/n32n0l

 

It's very frustrating, really, not even bots get as low as 16% and I've been there several times. What is this matchmaking lately wargaming? I want to win games! What does it matter if I'm top1 by damage in bottom tier tanks if my top tanks are doing 0? All 6 games today have been like this: http://prntscr.com/n32pa8

 

Seriously what am I supposed to do, play tier 10 all day and load 100% gold to get some wins? No, I just want to play my tanks and win 50% of the time, that's all I ask for. If anyone has some pro tip I'm all eyes.



UserZer00 #2 Posted 26 March 2019 - 12:05 PM

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I feel for you.  Last week was the same cycle for me (made worse by grinding slow tanks).

Unfortunately random is random.  

Maybe they need to add a "semi random" game mode where they balance teams, but at the cost of waiting time.

TungstenHitman #3 Posted 26 March 2019 - 12:08 PM

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View PostOMG_Abaddon, on 26 March 2019 - 10:59 AM, said:

 

Seriously what am I supposed to do, play tier 10 all day and load 100% gold to get some wins? No, I just want to play my tanks and win 50% of the time, that's all I ask for. If anyone has some pro tip I'm all eyes.

 

Have you tried to git gud? That usually works, no promises though



OMG_Abaddon #4 Posted 26 March 2019 - 12:09 PM

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View PostTungstenHitman, on 26 March 2019 - 12:08 PM, said:

 

Have you tried to git gud? That usually works, no promises though

 

Please enlighten me, how do I git gud in a T69 stock?

 



TungstenHitman #5 Posted 26 March 2019 - 12:15 PM

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View PostOMG_Abaddon, on 26 March 2019 - 11:09 AM, said:

 

Please enlighten me, how do I git gud in a T69 stock?

 

 

and you've been using a stock T69 for 11,531 battles? I get it, the games really frustrating. Vent away though honestly I never mind, we all know how this game goes. If we didn't care we wouldn't get mad eh?

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View PostTungstenHitman, on 26 March 2019 - 12:15 PM, said:

 

and you've been using a stock T69 for 11,531 battles? I get it, the games really frustrating. Vent away though honestly I never mind, we all know how this game goes. If we didn't care we wouldn't get mad eh?

 

Yeah, that's right... It's really frustrating having no power to swing the balance in you team's favor and seeing your team die all the time. And not with a stock T69, but the vast majority of games were on tanks I don't like, which I have to grind in order to get to the tank I like. So far I have about 3 non-premium tanks I like: Leo, T71 DA, and Ke-Ho, all the others are trash grinds that I'll sell as soon as the grind is over.



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View PostOMG_Abaddon, on 26 March 2019 - 10:59 AM, said:

It seems like most games I have to battle as bottom tier of a trash team with 2 or 3 arty, or be part of some steamrollers. I've had games where my team runs forwards and mows everyone, I never even get a chance to shoot at full speed forward on my stock T69, and also those games where I literally get oneshot from across the map. So many games where I have to spam gold if I want to do anything, such as seeing my top heavy tank suicide and I'm second in line to eat some T10 tanks in my IS-M.

 

When I try to be useful I get this: http://prntscr.com/n32ecc

When I try to win daily games I get this: http://prntscr.com/n32n0l

 

It's very frustrating, really, not even bots get as low as 16% and I've been there several times. What is this matchmaking lately wargaming? I want to win games! What does it matter if I'm top1 by damage in bottom tier tanks if my top tanks are doing 0? All 6 games today have been like this: http://prntscr.com/n32pa8

 

Seriously what am I supposed to do, play tier 10 all day and load 100% gold to get some wins? No, I just want to play my tanks and win 50% of the time, that's all I ask for. If anyone has some pro tip I'm all eyes.

 

If you lose 5 games in a row maybe it's time to take a break? It's not uncommon to have a losing streak but if you get tilted you aren't going to play any better. For these 5 losses you are going to get wins where you do absolutely nothing. That's how the game works. 

 

There aren't any tips for playing a stock T69. Fully upgraded T69 in this 3-5-7 mm isn't good so a stock one is horrible. That's one of WG's way of monetizing this game. Play tanks you like. Don't force grind bad tanks. Take your daily 2X and leave it there..



Slyspy #8 Posted 26 March 2019 - 12:29 PM

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View PostOMG_Abaddon, on 26 March 2019 - 11:59 AM, said:

It seems like most games I have to battle as bottom tier of a trash team with 2 or 3 arty, or be part of some steamrollers. I've had games where my team runs forwards and mows everyone, I never even get a chance to shoot at full speed forward on my stock T69, and also those games where I literally get oneshot from across the map. So many games where I have to spam gold if I want to do anything, such as seeing my top heavy tank suicide and I'm second in line to eat some T10 tanks in my IS-M.

 

When I try to be useful I get this: http://prntscr.com/n32ecc

When I try to win daily games I get this: http://prntscr.com/n32n0l

 

It's very frustrating, really, not even bots get as low as 16% and I've been there several times. What is this matchmaking lately wargaming? I want to win games! What does it matter if I'm top1 by damage in bottom tier tanks if my top tanks are doing 0? All 6 games today have been like this: http://prntscr.com/n32pa8

 

Seriously what am I supposed to do, play tier 10 all day and load 100% gold to get some wins? No, I just want to play my tanks and win 50% of the time, that's all I ask for. If anyone has some pro tip I'm all eyes.

 

Daily win rate means nothing, especially when the sample is just six games. Don't obsess about something so insignificant. 
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Edit: Also can't see how the T69 stock is an asset. Even with the old MM and elites it was poor. 

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View PostUserZer00, on 26 March 2019 - 12:05 PM, said:

Unfortunately random is random.

 

I don't much care for the title of conspiracy theorist, or tin foil hat wearer, but I'm not so sure the random matchmaker is all that random. I won't go into too much detail, as I don't want to get caught in yet another MM thread, nor anger the mighty gods of WG (for their wrath can be mighty, and their ability to increase the difficulty of my MM infinite - I jest), but if I were to visit a casino, head to the Roulette tables and consider black and red to be synonymous with win and loss, I doubt it likely that you'd see the same colour randomly roll as consistently as poor team distribution in WoT - certainly not over several days.

 

If that were the case, I'd make the money that I'm not earning from royalties of my preferential fair matchmaking reserve system by just continually betting on my ability to lose a game; seemingly pre-destined by the constant 28-44% win chance games. Either way, I'm already pricing up my next car :P



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My usual routine is to get my daily x2(or whatever) for whatever tanks Im grinding - I also try to get a minimum of two battles for said tanks as well.

On one of those extreme scenarios where the game simply says "you know what tovarishch you need to have sore rectum today, da" and refuses to let me have my x2/daily bonus by giving me an abnormally large losing streak, I just give up - It's a bitter pill to swallow but is the alternative really better?

 

It's not the fastest way to grind your tanks but It helps in limiting frustration with the game...to a degree.

 

My advice is to maybe get some fun and hawt friends to platoon with to make it less boring, in regards to grinding you could try getting a few days prem (i.e when you have days off) and combining them with boosters to make grinds as quick as possible. (technically)

 

Or just smash your keyboard through your monitor, whatever works I guess.


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Mannanan #11 Posted 26 March 2019 - 12:38 PM

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I'm unsure if you actually know what does it mean getting bad teams:)
 
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View PostTigerfish_Torpedo, on 26 March 2019 - 12:33 PM, said:

 

I don't much care for the title of conspiracy theorist, or tin foil hat wearer, but I'm not so sure the random matchmaker is all that random. I won't go into too much detail, as I don't want to get caught in yet another MM thread, nor anger the mighty gods of WG (for their wrath can be mighty, and their ability to increase the difficulty of my MM infinite - I jest), but if I were to visit a casino, head to the Roulette tables and consider black and red to be synonymous with win and loss, I doubt it likely that you'd see the same colour randomly roll as consistently as poor team distribution in WoT - certainly not over several days.

 

If that were the case, I'd make the money that I'm not earning from royalties of my preferential fair matchmaking reserve system by just continually betting on my ability to lose a game; seemingly pre-destined by the constant 28-44% win chance games. Either way, I'm already pricing up my next car :P

 

So, if it's not random that means its has a slidable "frustration level" setting that they can manipulate?  Of course, this would be a general setting, as one that targets individuals is just unthinkable.

 

Is there really anything to suggest that frustrating their player base will generate more income? (Who knoww, maybe such atudies exist)

 

I find it more likely that they programmed it so the bored owner of WG can set the slider to maximum and enjoy hearing the screams of frustration as he eats lunch.

 

It's one of the reason they never got voice chat working, it interferes with the program that monitors for players screams of frustration.



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Never look at daily stats, they're mostly RNG. Like your 1133 HP hit on the T30 ...

Only start getting concerned if the trend continues for several weeks.


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View PostTigerfish_Torpedo, on 26 March 2019 - 12:33 PM, said:

 

I don't much care for the title of conspiracy theorist, or tin foil hat wearer, but I'm not so sure the random matchmaker is all that random. I won't go into too much detail, as I don't want to get caught in yet another MM thread, nor anger the mighty gods of WG (for their wrath can be mighty, and their ability to increase the difficulty of my MM infinite - I jest), but if I were to visit a casino, head to the Roulette tables and consider black and red to be synonymous with win and loss, I doubt it likely that you'd see the same colour randomly roll as consistently as poor team distribution in WoT - certainly not over several days.

 

If that were the case, I'd make the money that I'm not earning from royalties of my preferential fair matchmaking reserve system by just continually betting on my ability to lose a game; seemingly pre-destined by the constant 28-44% win chance games. Either way, I'm already pricing up my next car :P

 

If you divide 30 players into two groups (good and bad) and then allocate them blindly to two teams would you expect the groupings to be distributed evenly? 



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View PostMannanan, on 26 March 2019 - 11:38 AM, said:

I'm unsure if you actually know what does it mean getting bad teams:)
 
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1200 dmg in Type 62 isn't really that special. It just gets huge WN8.

1200 dmg in a SP I C is only 2900 WN8.

 

44% winrate is horrible, but 34 battle size is small. 2 wins instead of losses and it would have been 50%.



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View PostSlyspy, on 26 March 2019 - 11:45 AM, said:

 

If you divide 30 players into two groups (good and bad) and then allocate them blindly to two teams would you expect the groupings to be distributed evenly? 

 

I think what he's saying is if you were to flip a coin 20 times it's highly unlikely, though statistically possible, to land on the same side 20 times. In other words, if this game is random then how can that MM coin seems to land on the same side for so many battles in a row. Likely, but highly improbable, thus not so random after all. What I don't think he understands is that it's probably much more random for this to happen than to have a suspiciously even spread of wins and losses, which would be way more suspect imo. I guess it's not just the losses or wins but the manner in which they fall that makes some players suspect match fixing shenanigans. If a player were to win or lose lets say, 10 battles in row, it wouldn't be all that suspicious if they were close fights but if those battles are quick rofl stomps in which the team that lost had utterly no chance and heavily stocked with clueless noobs, then the ol tinfoil hat comes out. 

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View PostUserZer00, on 26 March 2019 - 12:44 PM, said:

 

I find it more likely that they programmed it so the bored owner of WG can set the slider to maximum and enjoy hearing the screams of frustration as he eats lunch.

 

It's one of the reason they never got voice chat working, it interferes with the program that monitors for players screams of frustration.

 

Remember; in space, no one can hear you scream! 

 

I know it's a quote from Alien, but somehow it seemed relevant (excluding the whole space thing, ofc) - so not really relevant at all. Ignore me :)



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View PostSlyspy, on 26 March 2019 - 12:45 PM, said:

 

If you divide 30 players into two groups (good and bad) and then allocate them blindly to two teams would you expect the groupings to be distributed evenly? 

 

A good question, and no; of course not. One team will likely always be better than the other - I really do appreciate that logic.

 

However, I've played 17 games today and been on the winning team 5 times. It was the same yesterday and the day before. You would expect that if the MM were to randomly divide 30 players into two teams, I would be lumped onto the winning team as often as the losing team. Now, my personal playing ability will contribute towards the success of the team. If I were to do nothing, or die early, I lower the chance of winning the battle, based on my inability to pull my own weight - certainly when compared to the enemy team, and assuming the enemy team are all playing well. However, if I play well in the battle, do 4 or 5k damage, achieve a wn8 of 2-4k for the battle, and it results in a loss, then what other constants are there? 

 

I would argue that there are two constants in every game of WoT I play, that affect the outcome of the battle. The first is my ability to play the game (so, me). The other is the MM. If I play well, and still suffer loss after loss, what else is there? Perhaps I misunderstand probability and chance - I never was very good at maths. 



apaleytos #19 Posted 26 March 2019 - 01:05 PM

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Why not grind the T69 in FL or at least the modules.This is the only viable way to play the T69 and not the HEAT69 bottom tier 80% of the time.Do some research when you unlock tanks.Do they have bad guns/bad mobility or they need tons of free xp to be playable etc.The T9 seems to be also a premium ammo spamming tank.

 

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View PostJauhesammutin, on 26 March 2019 - 12:53 PM, said:

1200 dmg in Type 62 isn't really that special. It just gets huge WN8.

1200 dmg in a SP I C is only 2900 WN8.

 

44% winrate is horrible, but 34 battle size is small. 2 wins instead of losses and it would have been 50%.

 

Still it is a good performance (not happen to me often haha) and even WR 50% would be a shame. The question is what the WR would be with WN8 between 500-1000. Those 15 wins were not cheap either.

 

BTW I don't cry, happens. I actually had good games just lost in the end. Just showing that having a low contribution to the battle and crying for loosing is a bit weak. It can be much harder to pull wins in this game, much harder.


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