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[Lanrefni]

Jorous, on 29 March 2019 - 08:33 PM, said:

Could buy the 50 B. Is it good or bad? Because the 50 120 was horrible.

 

You get better mobility,gimmicky hull armor, better overall gun stats, including faster intra-clip reload.

 

Simply put,50 B is everything that was the 50 120,just better.

 

VarzA, on 31 March 2019 - 02:59 PM, said:

 

Gold spamming tank apparently, great mobility and troll hull armor.

 

They all require alot of spec ammo spam,because you want to maximize the burst output of every clip,as during reload you are essentially out of the game. By all means, try and use the AP,but you will be much less effective (and competitive thereof,given the tier of the engagements). The armor isn't ''trollish'',it's just a gimmick,considering almost nobody ever shoots this tank in the hull,except things like LTs or mediums in front of you on auto-aim. A fine sample of troll armor is the Obj.268 at a range of at least 250-300 meters.

captainpigg, on 29 March 2019 - 02:34 PM, said:

 

Really WG a GLD? The most worthless equipment for high tier tanks.

 

Both vstab and gld are use-able on these tanks,considering their quite atrocious gun handling,but that is up to preference. I went with vstab,optics and vents on 50 B. There are much more useless equipment pieces than GLD.

 

On topic:

 

I got the 50 B about 2-3 weeks ago.

Edited by lnfernaI, 31 March 2019 - 08:10 PM.

[VarzA]

RedJester, on 31 March 2019 - 07:00 PM, said:

 

Thanks, I unlocked the AMX M4 45 today - so I guess I gotta buy it tomorrow at discount and continue at least...  ARL has the paper armour too, still not sure I will keep it.  I can't imagine I wanna play it again now, though I like the gun, when it isn't trolling me. Mobility for a heavy and gun depression are pretty nice, but again, paper armour.  I can't imagine I would really ever wanna play it again now I aced it last night and unlocked the m4 45. For me the likes of KV 85, T150 kick its butt as tier 6 heavies, really. Russian bias I guess... though maybe I prefer it to the Churchill 7 - simply for gun and mobility. 

 

With experience of the Lorraine 40t and how you need to manage your shells and time for reloads I have some experience of what to expect for the 50 100 - so I will drag myself on and see how it goes. Have you played the 50 100 in Frontlines at all? 

 

 

ARL has armor tbh, hull armor.

 

Think of it as KV-1 style of tank ... great hull when angled vs same tier opponents and below, can sidescrape and you can bait shots into your front sprockets, but paper turret.

M4 45 does not have armor. Same tier will always pen you, you might be able to bounce a badly aimed t6 shot if you angle properly, but overall you are looking at miracle bounces unless you are top tier vs t5's.

 

Overall it is good tank though, if you use 105mm and carry some gold with you. It doesn't have good view range though.

 

I bought the 50 100 yesterday only and i don't really play Frontlines anymore (waste of time to grind those reward tanks), unless i need credits and the event is on.

Unrelated but i did have a 7d Somua SM code last yr, and it's pretty obvious that the 50 100 needs a rework.

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lnfernaI, on 31 March 2019 - 08:01 PM, said:

They all require alot of spec ammo spam,because you want to maximize the burst output of every clip,as during reload you are essentially out of the game. By all means, try and use the AP,but you will be much less effective (and competitive thereof,given the tier of the engagements). The armor isn't ''trollish'',it's just a gimmick,considering almost nobody ever shoots this tank in the hull,except things like LTs or mediums in front of you on auto-aim. A fine sample of troll armor is the Obj.268 at a range of at least 250-300 meters.

Both vstab and gld are use-able on these tanks,considering their quite atrocious gun handling,but that is up to preference. I went with vstab,optics and vents on 50 B. There are much more useless equipment pieces than GLD.

 

I was thinking of that pike nose of it, it caught me off guard a few times when i first started meeting it and i still ocassionally forget about it.

 

As for gold ammo, the way i see it, is that the gold of ammo of stuff like the 50B, lowers your aimtime ... as the probability of a pen goes higher and you need less carefully aimed shots. I suspect this is how WG is looking at it too, you buy/pay for improved aim (a bit indirectly).

Edited by VarzA, 01 April 2019 - 12:21 AM.

[eekeeboo]

ButterLutter, on 29 March 2019 - 02:17 PM, said:

What happened with the guides for the top of the tree tanks, I quite miss them

 

We're working on something Please stay tuned! 

 

 

[CyberRage]

Can buy Somua SM with gold after rental?

[RedJester]

VarzA, on 31 March 2019 - 11:19 PM, said:

 

ARL has armor tbh, hull armor.

 

Think of it as KV-1 style of tank ... great hull when angled vs same tier opponents and below, can sidescrape and you can bait shots into your front sprockets, but paper turret.

M4 45 does not have armor. Same tier will always pen you, you might be able to bounce a badly aimed t6 shot if you angle properly, but overall you are looking at miracle bounces unless you are top tier vs t5's.

 

Overall it is good tank though, if you use 105mm and carry some gold with you. It doesn't have good view range though.

 

I bought the 50 100 yesterday only and i don't really play Frontlines anymore (waste of time to grind those reward tanks), unless i need credits and the event is on.

Unrelated but i did have a 7d Somua SM code last yr, and it's pretty obvious that the 50 100 needs a rework.

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I was thinking of that pike nose of it, it caught me off guard a few times when i first started meeting it and i still ocassionally forget about it.

 

As for gold ammo, the way i see it, is that the gold of ammo of stuff like the 50B, lowers your aimtime ... as the probability of a pen goes higher and you need less carefully aimed shots. I suspect this is how WG is looking at it too, you buy/pay for improved aim (a bit indirectly).

 

I played a couple of battles this morning in the ARL before switching the crew up to the AMX M4 45, won a second ace tanker and had fun tbh with that gun, so I think I will now keep the ARL. I did not even unlock the top 90mm, stuck with the 105.  Top tier the ARL can indeed cause mayhem and wreck tanks fast, even tier 7.  As for the AMX M4 45, started it today and i actually find it ok, a few good games, but am sticking with the 105mm, still not unlocked the 90mm or top engine. I free xpd turret and suspension.  I have however, changed equipment layout from ARL to vents, rammer, optics. Combined with strong coffee and not fully trained recon and sit awareness i have got my view range up to 445, so I am finding that seems to work well. The aim time I can just handle as it is a bit quicker than on ARL. I don't even have a brothers in arms crew yet, all in the 90% region except female commander.    Gotta use plenty of APCR though, you're right on that.  

 

Well as for Frontlines, it's not really the tanks I am interested in but rather the millions of credits I make when I use my saved up credit multipliers.  I just was swimming in credits after the first couple of weeks of it. 

[RedJester]

CyberRage, on 01 April 2019 - 01:44 PM, said:

Can buy Somua SM with gold after rental?

 

That would be great and the thought crossed my mind too, but guess what, you've got more chance of them raising the Titanic! They want your money, gold is money you've already spent. 

[djciolos5]

eekeeboo and others

I have a technical SOMUA- related question:

I already had a Somua rental code and used it, rental period ended last December.

In garage Somua was NOT available for 10 battles.

I played a battle in tier 8 heavy AMX50 100.

BEFORE the end of battle I decided to remove Somua from garage ( cause not available for play).

How can I get those 10 battles in Somua please ?

 

Edited by djciolos5, 02 April 2019 - 04:00 PM.

[Gruff_]

May have seen it suggested in a video by Dez games but dropping a shell from the 50 100 and reducing the 47 second clip reload would be a welcome change for those playing it in randoms battles.

[Rozbrus]

Where ot how do I rent the Somua SM?

[ccoolliinn_1]

I'm only playing the AMX M4 45 to get to the auto loaders but it sounds like I maybe wasting my time, surely their not that bad.

[RedJester]

ccoolliinn_1, on 02 April 2019 - 10:13 PM, said:

I'm only playing the AMX M4 45 to get to the auto loaders but it sounds like I maybe wasting my time, surely their not that bad.

 

The tier 9 and 10 are supposed to be better. I got the AMX 50 100 yesterday and didn't see any tier 6, kept getting endless tier 10 so it was not fun and I was stock. The tank has paper armour, you have to manage your clip etc and know when to unload and reload. Really it's an ambush tank that you have to pick your moments to appear and unload or stay back and snipe a little, second line type thing. But I much preferred the ARL and AMX M4 45 tbh. 

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ccoolliinn_1, on 02 April 2019 - 10:13 PM, said:

I'm only playing the AMX M4 45 to get to the auto loaders but it sounds like I maybe wasting my time, surely their not that bad.

 

But to answer your question, I am gonna persevere, at least for now. 

[Riffyo]

well last TOTT it was the painful tiger p grind but as if that wasnt bad enough now its this Amx m4 45. i tried but i just cant do it. this is not a tank for me and i dont want to reward WG by free xping it. How it can be called heavy with paper armor is beyond me. i rather grind the BC 25t without the TOTT boost. So ill just have to admit that the tank line is not for me.

 

Cant believe i miss the tiger p now compared to amx m4 45.

Edited by Riffyo, 04 April 2019 - 05:30 PM.

[eekeeboo]

Riffyo, on 04 April 2019 - 04:29 PM, said:

well last TOTT it was the painful tiger p grind but as if that wasnt bad enough now its this Amx m4 45. i tried but i just cant do it. this is not a tank for me and i dont want to reward WG by free xping it. How it can be called heavy with paper armor is beyond me. i rather grind the BC 25t without the TOTT boost. So ill just have to admit that the tank line is not for me.

 

Cant believe i miss the tiger p now compared to amx m4 45.

 

I absolutely hated the tank in the "olden days", then I learned to hold it on the second line and to act as fire support for my more armoured friends, the gun at medium to long range really does allow this heavy to shine... but do not get shot at, this is bad advice for any tank!  

[Riffyo]

eekeeboo, on 04 April 2019 - 05:33 PM, said:

 

I absolutely hated the tank in the "olden days", then I learned to hold it on the second line and to act as fire support for my more armoured friends, the gun at medium to long range really does allow this heavy to shine... but do not get shot at, this is bad advice for any tank!  

 

I saw Quickybaby play the tank and he said the same but heavies playing sniper in the back is just not accepted from your team .And even if i do go snipe mode the aiming time and especially the dispersion is so bad ill be lucky to fire in the general area.

 

The new MM has me fighting 4 tier 9, 3 tier 8 and 8 tier 7 a lot now, with the tier 9 having enough Armor to bounce the non-premium shots 9 out of 10 on weak spots. So no the tank does not shine even in the back in my humble opinion

I just hope the next TOTT is not another of those forgotten grindy not fun trees.

all in all the tank tree is not fun for me and i play this game for fun not for painful grinding

Ill go grind IS i guess. maybe not best armor but atleast it hits hard and has Stalin helping it out.

 

PS little side note. every kv2 or tank with a dwerp will almost 1 shot the amx m4 45.

Edited by Riffyo, 04 April 2019 - 06:02 PM.

[m249jim]

ccoolliinn_1, on 02 April 2019 - 11:13 PM, said:

I'm only playing the AMX M4 45 to get to the auto loaders but it sounds like I maybe wasting my time, surely their not that bad.

 

Yes they are, especally with the current MM, maybe in a few weeks it will be better, but currently I am grinding the Tier 9,  and normally it's 6-8 out of 10 battles bottom in tier 9/10, maybe 1 or 2 all tier 9 battles, than 1 with tier 7-9 if your very lucky, add to that there is no armour, the reload time sucks, and the aim is pretty bad, it's a nasty grind, the CZ tier 9 is so much nicer to play as an autoloader.

[ccoolliinn_1]

m249jim, on 06 April 2019 - 02:35 PM, said:

 

Yes they are, especally with the current MM, maybe in a few weeks it will be better, but currently I am grinding the Tier 9,  and normally it's 6-8 out of 10 battles bottom in tier 9/10, maybe 1 or 2 all tier 9 battles, than 1 with tier 7-9 if your very lucky, add to that there is no armour, the reload time sucks, and the aim is pretty bad, it's a nasty grind, the CZ tier 9 is so much nicer to play as an autoloader.

 

Not sounding too good then, chose my targets hit and run. Really do like the ARL 44 with 105 and started okay with the AMX M4 45 with the top gun but results are going from good too bad  

[RedJester]

ccoolliinn_1, on 10 April 2019 - 09:10 PM, said:

 

Not sounding too good then, chose my targets hit and run. Really do like the ARL 44 with 105 and started okay with the AMX M4 45 with the top gun but results are going from good too bad  

 

I've kind of run out of steam on this, thanks to the AMX 50 100.  I can do ok in it, but i simply do not like or enjoy the tank.  A tier two could pen you frankly, and it's large, not very nimble, time between shots is more than say the 40t, and the reload I think I have at about 44 seconds, the Lorr 40t I have at 32 second reload, laughable really considering both are tier 8 auto loaders.  I just find it irksome, frankly.  However, the ARL, liked a lot, aced a couple of times, and yes, the 105mm at tier 6 is great. The M4 45 I also grew to enjoy and like.

 

This sums up the AMX 50 100 perfectly: https://www.youtube....h?v=MU0aSXFzmi8

[Kerr17]

What do You guys think will be the next TOTT?