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leggasiini #41 Posted 30 March 2019 - 08:26 AM

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View PostDr_Oolen, on 30 March 2019 - 08:45 AM, said:

Bois, i think i came up with an interesting theory.

 

 

Just nerfing these broken/op tanks isnt the only goal here from WG. I bet part of their reasoning is that they have also prepared IS-4 to step in to take place of taip 5 as the most retardproof broken T10 heavy. So i strongly suspect that in the same patch that type 5 gets nerfed, or in the patch after that, IS-4 will be overbuffed into being the most broken/op T10 superheavy by giving it completely retardproof armor immune to sub 280 pen unangled.

 

That and/or they are planning to do something really stupid for the E 100 as they also have plans to buff that. We'll see.

DeadLecter #42 Posted 30 March 2019 - 09:31 AM

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lol 900 damage on the HE gun. Really lol. And who the hell are you gonna damage with 192 HESH rounds? Can you pen a Maus? IS7? Nope. Literally another tank going inside the trashcan. WG why not nerf S.Conq? 430U? T95 chieftain? No? Of course not. Type 5 was broken and needed a fix not being totally fuked.

Ricky_Rolls #43 Posted 30 March 2019 - 10:02 AM

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They just need to nerf this stupid 1750 alpha to 1400, and nerf the gold  pen.

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View Postclixor, on 30 March 2019 - 06:57 AM, said:

 

I don't get this.. E-100, and 60TP for example, do 750 dmg on a much more consistent basis and nobody is really complaining about that. And even if we are talking about 'only' 500 dmg, even considered 'OP' armor, every other tier10 just shoots gold and shouldn't have much issues penning a type5. The only that really have issues penning it are tier8s.

 

The main issue will be the gold ammo nerf which essentially buffs the superheavies hitpool by like 25%.

Na now my concept is cleared by lesagini I thought decrease in dmg but increase in penetration will still do 500+ dmg but now I know penetration doesn't matter He gun that much.....

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View PostRicky_Rolls, on 30 March 2019 - 09:02 AM, said:

They just need to nerf this stupid 1750 alpha to 1400, and nerf the gold  pen.

Or maybe give it it's old premium round with dmg similiar to ap but high pen just like jagero.

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As for armor of type 5 and 4 they need to NERF any place of armor to be penetrated with normal ammo!

Shizuthink #45 Posted 30 March 2019 - 12:01 PM

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These changes are fantastic but I feel like the ultimate goal would be to remove the derp, make the AP gun a bit better than they are making it here and introducing some actual weakspots.

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View PostDr_Oolen, on 30 March 2019 - 07:45 AM, said:

Bois, i think i came up with an interesting theory.

 

 

Just nerfing these broken/op tanks isnt the only goal here from WG. I bet part of their reasoning is that they have also prepared IS-4 to step in to take place of taip 5 as the most retardproof broken T10 heavy. So i strongly suspect that in the same patch that type 5 gets nerfed, or in the patch after that, IS-4 will be overbuffed into being the most broken/op T10 superheavy by giving it completely retardproof armor immune to sub 280 pen unangled.

 

Well, not really overbuffed but definetly WG will buff something stupid on it.

 

Right now it only need roof weakspot removed and gun handling and DPM improved. I am woried that WG will only buff armor and give it a stupid gun with high alpha like they did with every recent tank.



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Personally I would have removed the derp gun entirely, done more to the AP gun and done something about the stupid armour scheme, but I'll take it.

 

Type 4s and especially Type 5s are some of the most annoying tanks to face, especially in other heavies, your armour is basically useless because they dump like 500-600 damage on you (in the Dezgames background replay he uses when announcing these changes you see a Type 5 player dump like a near 800 alpha non-penning hit on a WZ5A, which just shows how stupid it is) and you have to spam premium ammo back at them, often bouncing. 

 

Now at least the derp gun is going to do more like an O-Ho does, annoying but we are probably talking about a drop from about 500-600 average damage on non-pens with the premium HE, down to more like 200-300 average damage which is a huge change. Plus paper tanks should feel better about it as well as max they can now take is around 900, not 1400.

 

I think probably the AP gun needs a little more, like 3mm of pen is kind of pointless, but I suppose the slight mobility buffs help.

 

I'd give WG a B- for these changes, whilst I think more could have been done (like removing the derp and adjusting the armour scheme), when you look at these changes, the Fv4005 changes and propose arty changes what we basically have is straight up nerfs to some of the most broken stuff in game currently at higher tiers, so whilst I think more could have been done to all these things to rebalance them better, anything that gets people playing less arty, less Type 5s, less FV4005s and makes them less effective is IMO a good thing. 



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View Posttajj7, on 30 March 2019 - 12:16 PM, said:

I'd give WG a B- for these changes, whilst I think more could have been done (like removing the derp and adjusting the armour scheme), when you look at these changes, the Fv4005 changes and propose arty changes what we basically have is straight up nerfs to some of the most broken stuff in game currently at higher tiers, so whilst I think more could have been done to all these things to rebalance them better, anything that gets people playing less arty, less Type 5s, less FV4005s and makes them less effective is IMO a good thing. 

They don't care about balance. This is the company that brought you *insert every single tier VIII premium, that's better than most tierIXs here*, Object 268v4, Chieftain, 2k alpha on tierX guns, etc. They know full damn well it's broken. And the only reason they are nerfing it is to sell you the next OP thing.

 

If you free xp the line you might have a few months to enjoy it, before they nerf it to obscurity and there's a new broken tank.



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View Postbaribal_80, on 30 March 2019 - 01:34 AM, said:

 

I love how some people call good data like win rate curves and server win rate "unsubstantiated hysteria". People like you probably said warnings pre 2008 financial crash were also "hysteria". Not the tanks fault you play it badly.

 

Also weak cupola? Jesus you must be bad.

 

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