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DangerMouse #21 Posted 29 March 2019 - 09:55 PM

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No nerf to 430u or 907?
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No nerf to 430u or 907?

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Surely they could have just removed the "special HE" of the Type 4/5? Why nerf the the standart HE to KV-2 levels? You might as well drive any other 150mm gun heavy that's not the size of a barn.

 

The +3/+8mm pen buff on the 14 cm got me rolling on the floor laughing. Do they really think someone will buy this? You get a gun with 290 pen WITH gold, while tier IX meds shoot you with 330 HEAT pen. Seems legit.

 

The FV4005 gets the KV-1S treatment - nerf anything but the thing people want nerfed. Oh, you dislike the 2k alpha premium rounds? How about we leave them, but nerf acc/aim/mobility of the tank/e.g. everying else? Well the gun is still absurd, but at least now both me AND the FV4005 players are not having fun. Yay, I guess.



EVILpanzer #23 Posted 29 March 2019 - 10:00 PM

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This is the reason why you NEVER should grind anything beyond tier 6-8. I have Type 4 and thank god that I didn't hard grind to the Type 5, feckin useless game.

 

And as always, don't give this company any money... ever. Useless POS



MeNoobTank #24 Posted 29 March 2019 - 10:44 PM

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Yes ! Finally ! Thank you WG.

You of course have no idea what you doing like always but atleast you show that you care. You are nerfing the artys (even if you are nerfing the wrong thing on them, buffing the UP lines like Kranvagn (again, even if you are buffing the wrong thing on it), and now finally nerfing the broken Japs. All of these are a foot in the right direction, Gj and keep it up !

 

The only bad thing is that you put Defender on sale again...



hasnainrakha57 #25 Posted 29 March 2019 - 11:34 PM

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View Postleggasiini, on 29 March 2019 - 08:03 PM, said:

Penetration doesn't affect non-penetrating HE damage so the non-penetrating hits will do 300 at most, and that is against targets that the current premium HE would hit for +600 instead. Most of the time the new HESH shells would do a rather pitiful 200ish damage.

 

Not to mention that against Super Conqueror LFP or against 50B turret the derp can still do 600 or even 700 if it rolls super high with current premium HE so its not like the HESH is much worse when it pens. Difference is that the HESH has to pen, whereas the current prem HE will ALWAYS do 600 against those things mentioned unless you hit the gun and do nothing.

Hmm so u mean new shells on type 5 and 4 can do estimate 200-300dmg(Premium).Then that's great!.Just like e100  he shells which do 200-300dmg?


Edited by hasnainrakha57, 29 March 2019 - 11:37 PM.


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Totally uncalled for changes to balanced tank.

 

First, they buffed the FV 4005 so that it got finally useable, and now they nerf it back to total oblivion again.

 

What's not happening here is that tanks really in need of being buffed are taken a thorough look at (like the E-100 or IS-4).

 

GJ WG, way to go! You still don't get it, after all these years of player feedback. You still think you are smarter and know your game better than all its players.

 

Btw, Obj. 279 (e) needs a buff direly. Right now, it can still be damaged. This is unbearable. I mean, it's the apex of glorious fatherland-ic Russian tank design. How can that be? You are putting Mother Russia to shame with such a thing. You are not good patriots.


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View PostDramakid19, on 29 March 2019 - 09:09 PM, said:

252 pen is joke. If they don't buff it's pen this tanks is gonna be useless, just like it's mini brother STB-I!

 

Maus and his 246 pen says hello.

ObusMagic #28 Posted 30 March 2019 - 12:06 AM

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View Postihateclowns, on 29 March 2019 - 06:56 PM, said:

Just make all the tanks the exact same, same pen , same alpha, etc, but they have different skins to make it look like they are different. That way you get to please the whinners and moaners. And keep nerfing the fun out of the game. 

 

YEah beacause 1 brain cell morons can only talk in extremes either a game with OP tanks or 1 tank in the game. Why have a balanced game yeah?

vasilinhorulezz #29 Posted 30 March 2019 - 12:27 AM

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Remove the Deprs, give them actual weak-spots, give them decent AP guns,

anything else is Bu!!$h!T.


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salvager #30 Posted 30 March 2019 - 12:30 AM

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So the unsubstantiated hysteria about the Type 5 wins through. Seldom is it ever possible to achieve anything like the potential dmp. Most shots achieve 350hp. Meanwhile you get cut to pieces by Super Conquerers, or WZ111 5As  or in fact any T9 or T10 MT, HT or TD who go through the weak cupola with ease. GG  

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View PostFTR, on 29 March 2019 - 11:57 PM, said:

 

Maus and his 246 pen says hello.

 

It is funny to look back and see how some time ago 246 was actually a decent penetration value.

 

258 pen was the highest pen for a heavy at tier x (except 260 for obj 260 ofc) and now is just avarage and meh pen.



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View PostI salvager, on 29 March 2019 - 11:30 PM, said:

So the unsubstantiated hysteria about the Type 5 wins through. Seldom is it ever possible to achieve anything like the potential dmp. Most shots achieve 350hp. Meanwhile you get cut to pieces by Super Conquerers, or WZ111 5As  or in fact any T9 or T10 MT, HT or TD who go through the weak cupola with ease. GG  

 

I love how some people call good data like win rate curves and server win rate "unsubstantiated hysteria". People like you probably said warnings pre 2008 financial crash were also "hysteria". Not the tanks fault you play it badly.

 

Also weak cupola? Jesus you must be bad.


Edited by baribal_80, 30 March 2019 - 12:35 AM.


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View Postbaribal_80, on 29 March 2019 - 11:34 PM, said:

 

I love how some people call good data like win rate curves and server win rate "unsubstantiated hysteria". People like you probably said warnings pre 2008 financial crash were also "hysteria". Not the tanks fault you play it badly.

 

Also weak cupola? Jesus you must be bad.

 

No, that'll be all the 'special' ammo spammed at it  

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View Postsalvager, on 29 March 2019 - 11:47 PM, said:

 

No, that'll be all the 'special' ammo spammed at it  

 

That's the answer to what to my post?

 

Also type5 still bounces quite a lot prem ammo. 



XxKuzkina_MatxX #35 Posted 30 March 2019 - 01:09 AM

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Those changes are WG way to semi retire the type 5 after quite a while of being a pretty good tier 10 heavy. Don't think for a second that the decision was based on "players feedback", "we're collecting data" or even "balance" factors. Playing the type 5 with the AP will require a different play style but it'll still be a strong heavy even with the crappy pen, you'll just spam gold AP instead of gold HE!

 

The decision coincides with proposed buffs to the good old E100 so basically this a game of musical chairs, who will be top dog next. Same as the E5 was once or the mighty Maus for a minute.

 

So what can one conclude from this?

 

  • Don't [edited]fight, it's [edited]useless and it's an ego driven cockfight with no real benefits to anyone.
  • That gives you an idea on how the internal process of balancing tanks work. It's cyclic, it's random to a degree and it's often financially oriented.
  • Don't bother proposing stuff with those colorful solutions that'll make WOT great again. I find that a bit silly sometimes because they do have a far bigger player base in the RU cluster and more important they've their own projections of the situation since they've been playing this game with us for a long time.

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View Postleggasiini, on 29 March 2019 - 06:22 PM, said:

Basically what they are doing is that they are nerfing the f*ck out of the derp gun, while giving the AP gun slight buffs and buffing their mobility as well in return.

 

Tbh.. Derp gun gold ammo has been an issue with it. As they gave it more alpha vs more splash or pen etc on gold. Wrong direction on day one. So that I'm fine with. But as for the new shell? Well depends on how you look at it. As vs most targets, it will show you more than 500 damage rolls more so then not with that pen still as it will now with auto aim. And that 750 alpha can appear often if you aim with it now. Vs 500 even then. As the current gold ammo does more so then not. As the only targets that 1K alpha came vs was French paper targets, German paper TDs and lights. And with a high roll you could take a BC out. And that's 183 levels you don't need on a HT. 

 

That... and that shell is basically what they did list and planned for with the special ammo change. So I guess the Types will take the first step to test the water.

 

But... they still have not buffed the 14cm enough to make people use that more tbh. As that's the issue the Types had. As 3 more pen is not gonna make most switch. But it's still subject to change and all that.



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You can all thank me (donations of gold kindly accepted)

 

I did the grind for the Type 5 at X-mas time just so WG wouldn't have a choice with regards to the nerf.

 

They were actually a lot slower than I thought they'd be. Since I've played my one or two games in it already I thought it would have been done in February.

 

 

(the gold donation thing is a joke btw)



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Thank you lawd. 

 



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Bois, i think i came up with an interesting theory.

 

 

Just nerfing these broken/op tanks isnt the only goal here from WG. I bet part of their reasoning is that they have also prepared IS-4 to step in to take place of taip 5 as the most retardproof broken T10 heavy. So i strongly suspect that in the same patch that type 5 gets nerfed, or in the patch after that, IS-4 will be overbuffed into being the most broken/op T10 superheavy by giving it completely retardproof armor immune to sub 280 pen unangled.



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View Posthasnainrakha57, on 29 March 2019 - 06:54 PM, said:

Imagine u are in your heavy or super heavy and type 4 or type 5 slams gold HE round and deals 750+dmg coz of 192mm penetration.
Where it used to do 500+dmg at sides

REMOVE THAT GUN PLZ!

 

Edit:

Whops forget to mention "side armor" when sneaky ninja type 5 or 4 slams at sides with 192mm pen dealing full 750dmg.

Example a poor e100 busy fighting gets slammed by type with 75mm pen it deals 500+ dmg.But after 192mm it deals full 750dmg.Super conqueror from front lower plate can receive 750dmg with192mm pen.Same for amx50b.....

But can argue don't know how much dmg 192mm pen with 750 alpha does to non penetrating shots if it's still like 500mm+ then it's buff for the types not NERF.

 

I don't get this.. E-100, and 60TP for example, do 750 dmg on a much more consistent basis and nobody is really complaining about that. And even if we are talking about 'only' 500 dmg, even considered 'OP' armor, every other tier10 just shoots gold and shouldn't have much issues penning a type5. The only that really have issues penning it are tier8s.

 

The main issue will be the gold ammo nerf which essentially buffs the superheavies hitpool by like 25%.







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