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NeoZe #1 Posted 30 March 2019 - 09:41 AM

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Okay, lets start to be logical and honest: This planned changes are to premium ammo and the matchmaking are absolute garbage and while they might solve some problems, they will generate new once, even more critical!

 

There is only ONE solid solution to make this game balanced and iam 100% sure wargaming is very aware of this but they just refuse to change the game that way. Let me explain what exactly needs to change and why it will be the only, logical solution.

 

1. The matchmaking spreading needs to be reduced from +/-2 to +/-1.

Tell me one freaking serious reason, why this would be bad for the game? Why a +1/-1 would be bad for world of tanks???

Why is this necessary?

- If you reduce the spreading to only 1 tier, as we can see it at low tiers already, you can start to balance tanks in a serious way. This is way harder, if you need to balance tanks for +2 and -2 tiers, just impossible. 

- It would also give players a way better feeling of playing the game. The 3-5-7 is very disapointing, and tons of players are quitting the game because it. People need to be motivated and no one likes to get sealclubed, at least not 80% of all times. Thats why so many people love to play low tiers, because it is way more balanced and you are not facing tanks 2 tiers above you. Its fun, its enjoyable and its fair!

-It would solve this queue issues and the current matchmaking problems, because the bashing t6 vs t8 and t8 vs t10 would be just impossible.

-It would make the use of premium ammo pointless at most games, because penetrating tanks only +1 tier above you, is still doable with standard shells.

 

2. Remove the premium (or special) shells completely or change the amount to 10-20% of total ammo in a tank.

Why is this necessary?

- If you lower its damage, you destroy the game balance even more. Playing a t8 tank vs t10 would be even harder. While a tier10 tank can use standard shells with full dmg, you have to spam expensive special ammo, that deals 30% less dmg. So you get less credits per shot, that means shooting premium rounds gets even more expensive by 30%! It simply makes playing as bottom tier extremly unbalanced.

-If you keep it the current way, people will spam it like they do currently. That makes lot of tanks armor pointless and some tanks even unplayable. So, either you reduce the amount of special shells to 10 or 20% of the max ammo amount per battle (as example, your tank can carry 40 rounds in total, only 4 or 8 of them can be special shells) or you make them extremly expensive, so people start to think 3 times, before using them.

-As a result, we got tanks like the defender, that is so well armored, that it also could be a tier 9 tank. I am sure it was made so strong, so people are even bouncing with goldshells at your tank, like the old days, where heavy tanks realy felt like heavy tanks and not paper tanks. (Wargaming is not serious in many ways, sadly… this guys are liars and opportunists! They promised to NOT sell the defender again… and now guess what they are selling currently?)

-So if you remove premium ammo, you can start to balance tanks in a serious way, because if its to hard to penetrate a tank, it needs to get nerfed ect. But with goldshells… all you can do is balancing a game in terms of the strongest ammo. So it will force you to use special ammo and make standard shells totaly useless.

-You could remove standard shells aswell, they are useless in most parts of the current meta game anyway. The game is all about goldshells, because its your only way being competitive. And as soon as you start to play seriously or find your team in a bad situation, you will load special shells anyway, even against artys, to prevent RNG bounces. Every hit counts and can decide between losing or winning a game. So why risking bouncing!

 

Conclusion:

There is no way to debate about logical stuff. The +2/-2 tier spreading in a matchmaking is hurting the game a lot today. It effects the current matchmaking extremely bad and it forces you to spam gold ammo. The game today is and needs to be balanced around gold shells, they became a vital element in world of tanks, even more because we are facing tanks, 2 tiers above us in 70% of all games. Even if they fix the matchmaking, it will change over the next months again and make the new templates useless. And what are you doing with your t6 tank against a defender? Shooting very expensive premium ammo, that deal 30% less dmg while the defender can shot cheap standard ammo and deal maximum damage at the same time? Is this balance? Sry wargaming, again all you do is stuff half done, fooling people and lying to defend your politics, aiming to generate as much money as possible.

 

You guys at wargaming lost the connection to the players long time ago already and your are ruining the gameplay of world of tanks more and more, because generating more money became more important to you, as a balanced and fun game.

And i can prove it with your own words and statements, like most famous streamers already did:

- You told us, premium tanks will NEVER be stronger or equal as fully spaded normal tanks. Todays world of tanks, most new premium tanks are at least equal if not stronger as fully upgraded normal tanks. And this makes the game so very salty. The pathetic OP defender, the incredible op e-25, the new IS-3A, with magazine and APCR as standard ammo… all this t9 and t10 special premium vehicles… so incredible OP. While the "free" premium tanks from the campaings are totaly garbage, like the stugIV ect, think about it!

- You promised to balance overpowered premium tanks, like the defender and the e-25 and you also sayed, you want sell them again. What happend at Xmas? You just threw em out like crazy. And even today, youre selling the defender AND the Obj 252. You guys are lying!

-This 3-5-7 mess,... it took you 1 year to find a solution for it, while the whole game suffers from it, being bottom tier 70-80% of all games!!

 

So all i can ask you wargaming, where is your love for your own game and your own community? Your greed is ruining the game experience so hard the last years. You are breaking promisses, you are fooling people, you are lying and patronising people ("you have no idea, you dont see the games full scope like we do").

Iam 100% sure, you know exactly, how bad the +2 tier spreading is effecting the gameplay, because you have some smart people in your team. But on the other hand, you also know, how much credits this garbage system takes out of the game, forcing people to spam special ammo, consumables and repaircosts, so forcing them to use prem accounts and prem tanks. Or even buy OP prem tanks, to stand a change as bottom tier.

 

This planned changes to the ammo is so very, very stupid... it will break the game in all ways so hard, if you dont reduce the mm spreading the same time.

 

 


Edited by NeoZe, 30 March 2019 - 10:01 AM.


DeadLecter #2 Posted 30 March 2019 - 11:13 AM

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If this is your short letter, I want to see your long letter. 

Jokes aside

1) They won't do it because that way everyone would have a gun proportional to the MM so less premium will be fired. And that is not good for WG. T8s can damage T9. T9s can damage T10s. But T8 vs T10 or T7 vs T9 needs premium ammo. So less premium ammo is bad for WG.

2) They said they won't do it because they want to force people to take less premium ammo because: 1) in some battles you need 4 or 5 and in some battles even half of your ammo capacity is not enough and 2) when you run out of premium ammo they want it to be because of your choice not their limitation. Another way of saying we don't want to stop you from going full gold and needing a premium account to break even on credits. And they are ruining more tanks and creating more power creep at TX. Type 5 is going to be pure garbage after the nerf. If I have to play a super heavy that gets penned by all premium shells and no longer has a derp gun and I will have mount the AP gun then I play E100. Same stupid armor (Except LFP) and much much better gun. at least it has 334 pen and not a stupid 290.



spamhamstar #3 Posted 30 March 2019 - 11:30 AM

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I agree that prem ammo causes a huge problem in regard to armour balance as they are effectively trying to balance 1 figure against 2 different figures for every tank.  A 10-20% limit on prem ammo shouldn't do much if players are only firing 5% at the moment.

 

+2 mm can be fun & offers a challenge some players like.  It also provides a chance for poorer players to shine when they are top tier.  The issue is the balance between how often you are facing +2 compared to -2 at present, as at some tiers it feels like you are bottom tier most of the time.

It also makes it easier for the mm to fill battles quickly & stops the game getting stale by potentially offering more variety.


Edited by spamhamstar, 30 March 2019 - 11:32 AM.


arthurwellsley #4 Posted 30 March 2019 - 11:37 AM

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1. The match making spread cannot be reduced from +/- 2 MM because if it is WG will go bust and the servers will die. You fail to understand that WG as a company is not a charity, and is there to make a profit for it's shareholders. The fact that Frontline is only available for short bursts of time proves this point. =/- 1 MM would be bad for the game because the company running it would cease to turn a profit and would close the servers.

 

2. Leave premium ammo well alone.

 

Balance over time since 2011 has on the whole been fairly decent. Making radical changes to the underlying principles now seems a recipe for potential disaster.



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mpf1959 #6 Posted 30 March 2019 - 12:01 PM

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The fact that there exists people that will buy credits, with their real money, in order to buy premium ammo perplexes me, when credits are so easy to get for free. :amazed:

kisli #7 Posted 30 March 2019 - 12:44 PM

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View Postmpf1959, on 30 March 2019 - 12:01 PM, said:

The fact that there exists people that will buy credits, with their real money, in order to buy premium ammo perplexes me, when credits are so easy to get for free. :amazed:

 

Free if your time is worthless.

Laur_Balaur_XD #8 Posted 30 March 2019 - 12:57 PM

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1. Just scrap all MM templates, there is no need for them. Bring back the weighted MM, having same tiers and classes mirrored is good, having also 'sublasses' (like superheavy, wheeled vehicles, autoloaders, etc.) mirrored also would be the best. No more AMX50B vs Type5, no more wheeled scout vs Sheridan, no more Leopard vs 430u.

 

2. Limit already the damn arty to 1 per team.

 

3. Either just leave the premium ammo as it is because you balanced the game since the start around that ammo - or completely re-balance all tanks, from tier 1 to tier 10! 

 

4. Make bigger maps that are not corridors, that allow flanks to help each-other and that allow all classes to have a good gameplay experience. Ohhh, and please no more op camping positions on the redline, good positions should be won - not handed for nothing to every lazy scum...



Jigabachi #9 Posted 30 March 2019 - 04:18 PM

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View PostNeoZe, on 30 March 2019 - 09:41 AM, said:

1. The matchmaking spreading needs to be reduced from +/-2 to +/-1.

Tell me one freaking serious reason, why this would be bad for the game? Why a +1/-1 would be bad for world of tanks???

 

2. Remove the premium (or special) shells completely or change the amount to 10-20% of total ammo in a tank.

1. A lot less variation. More boring matches.

The tierspread is fine, the gamebalance isn't.

 

2. That would be a major win for the OP and unbalanced tanks with armor. And 10-20% premammo in your ammoracks would still be quite a lot if you realise that you rarely empty them in the average match.

 

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duijm #10 Posted 30 March 2019 - 04:31 PM

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View PostNeoZe, on 30 March 2019 - 08:41 AM, said:

Okay, lets start to be logical and honest: This planned changes are to premium ammo and the matchmaking are absolute garbage and while they might solve some problems, they will generate new once, even more critical!

 

There is only ONE solid solution to make this game balanced and iam 100% sure wargaming is very aware of this but they just refuse to change the game that way. Let me explain what exactly needs to change and why it will be the only, logical solution.

 

1. The matchmaking spreading needs to be reduced from +/-2 to +/-1.

Tell me one freaking serious reason, why this would be bad for the game? Why a +1/-1 would be bad for world of tanks???

Why is this necessary?

- If you reduce the spreading to only 1 tier, as we can see it at low tiers already, you can start to balance tanks in a serious way. This is way harder, if you need to balance tanks for +2 and -2 tiers, just impossible. 

- It would also give players a way better feeling of playing the game. The 3-5-7 is very disapointing, and tons of players are quitting the game because it. People need to be motivated and no one likes to get sealclubed, at least not 80% of all times. Thats why so many people love to play low tiers, because it is way more balanced and you are not facing tanks 2 tiers above you. Its fun, its enjoyable and its fair!

-It would solve this queue issues and the current matchmaking problems, because the bashing t6 vs t8 and t8 vs t10 would be just impossible.

-It would make the use of premium ammo pointless at most games, because penetrating tanks only +1 tier above you, is still doable with standard shells.

 

2. Remove the premium (or special) shells completely or change the amount to 10-20% of total ammo in a tank.

Why is this necessary?

- If you lower its damage, you destroy the game balance even more. Playing a t8 tank vs t10 would be even harder. While a tier10 tank can use standard shells with full dmg, you have to spam expensive special ammo, that deals 30% less dmg. So you get less credits per shot, that means shooting premium rounds gets even more expensive by 30%! It simply makes playing as bottom tier extremly unbalanced.

-If you keep it the current way, people will spam it like they do currently. That makes lot of tanks armor pointless and some tanks even unplayable. So, either you reduce the amount of special shells to 10 or 20% of the max ammo amount per battle (as example, your tank can carry 40 rounds in total, only 4 or 8 of them can be special shells) or you make them extremly expensive, so people start to think 3 times, before using them.

-As a result, we got tanks like the defender, that is so well armored, that it also could be a tier 9 tank. I am sure it was made so strong, so people are even bouncing with goldshells at your tank, like the old days, where heavy tanks realy felt like heavy tanks and not paper tanks. (Wargaming is not serious in many ways, sadly… this guys are liars and opportunists! They promised to NOT sell the defender again… and now guess what they are selling currently?)

-So if you remove premium ammo, you can start to balance tanks in a serious way, because if its to hard to penetrate a tank, it needs to get nerfed ect. But with goldshells… all you can do is balancing a game in terms of the strongest ammo. So it will force you to use special ammo and make standard shells totaly useless.

-You could remove standard shells aswell, they are useless in most parts of the current meta game anyway. The game is all about goldshells, because its your only way being competitive. And as soon as you start to play seriously or find your team in a bad situation, you will load special shells anyway, even against artys, to prevent RNG bounces. Every hit counts and can decide between losing or winning a game. So why risking bouncing!

 

Conclusion:

There is no way to debate about logical stuff. The +2/-2 tier spreading in a matchmaking is hurting the game a lot today. It effects the current matchmaking extremely bad and it forces you to spam gold ammo. The game today is and needs to be balanced around gold shells, they became a vital element in world of tanks, even more because we are facing tanks, 2 tiers above us in 70% of all games. Even if they fix the matchmaking, it will change over the next months again and make the new templates useless. And what are you doing with your t6 tank against a defender? Shooting very expensive premium ammo, that deal 30% less dmg while the defender can shot cheap standard ammo and deal maximum damage at the same time? Is this balance? Sry wargaming, again all you do is stuff half done, fooling people and lying to defend your politics, aiming to generate as much money as possible.

 

You guys at wargaming lost the connection to the players long time ago already and your are ruining the gameplay of world of tanks more and more, because generating more money became more important to you, as a balanced and fun game.

And i can prove it with your own words and statements, like most famous streamers already did:

- You told us, premium tanks will NEVER be stronger or equal as fully spaded normal tanks. Todays world of tanks, most new premium tanks are at least equal if not stronger as fully upgraded normal tanks. And this makes the game so very salty. The pathetic OP defender, the incredible op e-25, the new IS-3A, with magazine and APCR as standard ammo… all this t9 and t10 special premium vehicles… so incredible OP. While the "free" premium tanks from the campaings are totaly garbage, like the stugIV ect, think about it!

- You promised to balance overpowered premium tanks, like the defender and the e-25 and you also sayed, you want sell them again. What happend at Xmas? You just threw em out like crazy. And even today, youre selling the defender AND the Obj 252. You guys are lying!

-This 3-5-7 mess,... it took you 1 year to find a solution for it, while the whole game suffers from it, being bottom tier 70-80% of all games!!

 

So all i can ask you wargaming, where is your love for your own game and your own community? Your greed is ruining the game experience so hard the last years. You are breaking promisses, you are fooling people, you are lying and patronising people ("you have no idea, you dont see the games full scope like we do").

Iam 100% sure, you know exactly, how bad the +2 tier spreading is effecting the gameplay, because you have some smart people in your team. But on the other hand, you also know, how much credits this garbage system takes out of the game, forcing people to spam special ammo, consumables and repaircosts, so forcing them to use prem accounts and prem tanks. Or even buy OP prem tanks, to stand a change as bottom tier.

 

This planned changes to the ammo is so very, very stupid... it will break the game in all ways so hard, if you dont reduce the mm spreading the same time.

 

 

 

Agreed. :great:

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View PostNeoZe, on 30 March 2019 - 09:41 AM, said:

Okay, lets start to be logical and honest: This planned changes are to premium ammo and the matchmaking are absolute garbage and while they might solve some problems, they will generate new once, even more critical!

 

There is only ONE solid solution to make this game balanced and iam 100% sure wargaming is very aware of this but they just refuse to change the game that way. Let me explain what exactly needs to change and why it will be the only, logical solution.

 

1. The matchmaking spreading needs to be reduced from +/-2 to +/-1.

Tell me one freaking serious reason, why this would be bad for the game? Why a +1/-1 would be bad for world of tanks???

Why is this necessary?

- If you reduce the spreading to only 1 tier, as we can see it at low tiers already, you can start to balance tanks in a serious way. This is way harder, if you need to balance tanks for +2 and -2 tiers, just impossible. 

- It would also give players a way better feeling of playing the game. The 3-5-7 is very disapointing, and tons of players are quitting the game because it. People need to be motivated and no one likes to get sealclubed, at least not 80% of all times. Thats why so many people love to play low tiers, because it is way more balanced and you are not facing tanks 2 tiers above you. Its fun, its enjoyable and its fair!

-It would solve this queue issues and the current matchmaking problems, because the bashing t6 vs t8 and t8 vs t10 would be just impossible.

-It would make the use of premium ammo pointless at most games, because penetrating tanks only +1 tier above you, is still doable with standard shells.

 

2. Remove the premium (or special) shells completely or change the amount to 10-20% of total ammo in a tank.

Why is this necessary?

- If you lower its damage, you destroy the game balance even more. Playing a t8 tank vs t10 would be even harder. While a tier10 tank can use standard shells with full dmg, you have to spam expensive special ammo, that deals 30% less dmg. So you get less credits per shot, that means shooting premium rounds gets even more expensive by 30%! It simply makes playing as bottom tier extremly unbalanced.

-If you keep it the current way, people will spam it like they do currently. That makes lot of tanks armor pointless and some tanks even unplayable. So, either you reduce the amount of special shells to 10 or 20% of the max ammo amount per battle (as example, your tank can carry 40 rounds in total, only 4 or 8 of them can be special shells) or you make them extremly expensive, so people start to think 3 times, before using them.

-As a result, we got tanks like the defender, that is so well armored, that it also could be a tier 9 tank. I am sure it was made so strong, so people are even bouncing with goldshells at your tank, like the old days, where heavy tanks realy felt like heavy tanks and not paper tanks. (Wargaming is not serious in many ways, sadly… this guys are liars and opportunists! They promised to NOT sell the defender again… and now guess what they are selling currently?)

-So if you remove premium ammo, you can start to balance tanks in a serious way, because if its to hard to penetrate a tank, it needs to get nerfed ect. But with goldshells… all you can do is balancing a game in terms of the strongest ammo. So it will force you to use special ammo and make standard shells totaly useless.

-You could remove standard shells aswell, they are useless in most parts of the current meta game anyway. The game is all about goldshells, because its your only way being competitive. And as soon as you start to play seriously or find your team in a bad situation, you will load special shells anyway, even against artys, to prevent RNG bounces. Every hit counts and can decide between losing or winning a game. So why risking bouncing!

 

Conclusion:

There is no way to debate about logical stuff. The +2/-2 tier spreading in a matchmaking is hurting the game a lot today. It effects the current matchmaking extremely bad and it forces you to spam gold ammo. The game today is and needs to be balanced around gold shells, they became a vital element in world of tanks, even more because we are facing tanks, 2 tiers above us in 70% of all games. Even if they fix the matchmaking, it will change over the next months again and make the new templates useless. And what are you doing with your t6 tank against a defender? Shooting very expensive premium ammo, that deal 30% less dmg while the defender can shot cheap standard ammo and deal maximum damage at the same time? Is this balance? Sry wargaming, again all you do is stuff half done, fooling people and lying to defend your politics, aiming to generate as much money as possible.

 

You guys at wargaming lost the connection to the players long time ago already and your are ruining the gameplay of world of tanks more and more, because generating more money became more important to you, as a balanced and fun game.

And i can prove it with your own words and statements, like most famous streamers already did:

- You told us, premium tanks will NEVER be stronger or equal as fully spaded normal tanks. Todays world of tanks, most new premium tanks are at least equal if not stronger as fully upgraded normal tanks. And this makes the game so very salty. The pathetic OP defender, the incredible op e-25, the new IS-3A, with magazine and APCR as standard ammo… all this t9 and t10 special premium vehicles… so incredible OP. While the "free" premium tanks from the campaings are totaly garbage, like the stugIV ect, think about it!

- You promised to balance overpowered premium tanks, like the defender and the e-25 and you also sayed, you want sell them again. What happend at Xmas? You just threw em out like crazy. And even today, youre selling the defender AND the Obj 252. You guys are lying!

-This 3-5-7 mess,... it took you 1 year to find a solution for it, while the whole game suffers from it, being bottom tier 70-80% of all games!!

 

So all i can ask you wargaming, where is your love for your own game and your own community? Your greed is ruining the game experience so hard the last years. You are breaking promisses, you are fooling people, you are lying and patronising people ("you have no idea, you dont see the games full scope like we do").

Iam 100% sure, you know exactly, how bad the +2 tier spreading is effecting the gameplay, because you have some smart people in your team. But on the other hand, you also know, how much credits this garbage system takes out of the game, forcing people to spam special ammo, consumables and repaircosts, so forcing them to use prem accounts and prem tanks. Or even buy OP prem tanks, to stand a change as bottom tier.

 

This planned changes to the ammo is so very, very stupid... it will break the game in all ways so hard, if you dont reduce the mm spreading the same time.

 

 

 

And what is your problem if i play full gold in my defender and rape the T10s? Play the game and stop complaining or buy premium, dont want to do eather? Leave the game.

Bordhaw #12 Posted 30 March 2019 - 06:08 PM

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View PostNeoZe, on 30 March 2019 - 08:41 AM, said:

Okay, lets start to be logical and honest: This planned changes are to premium ammo and the matchmaking are absolute garbage and while they might solve some problems, they will generate new once, even more critical!

 

So all i can ask you wargaming, where is your love for your own game and your own community? 

 

https://wotblitz.eu



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There is no prob with prem ammo. It's a myth.




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