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Room418 #1 Posted 31 March 2019 - 09:19 PM

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Player shot me two times and didnt get blue color on him self, but when I shot him two times , I get blue color and player keeps shooting me. Wtf? How fair is that, WG devs? 

 

http://wotreplays.eu/site/4830008#prokhorovka-room418-lt-432 

 

That totaly wasnt my fault and system is broken about how players should be penalized. 



fwhaatpiraat #2 Posted 31 March 2019 - 09:29 PM

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Never shoot a green tank. Problem solved.

DeadLecter #3 Posted 31 March 2019 - 09:34 PM

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if you shoot someone twice and turn blue it's because you have done it before recently. Otherwise it's impossible to turn blue with 2 shots, and it's an automatic system. It doesn't about reasons. It acts based on it's program and can not do anything else.

Edited by DeadLecter, 31 March 2019 - 09:41 PM.


Dorander #4 Posted 31 March 2019 - 09:37 PM

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Like DeadLecter said, it's not your first time dealing teamdamage. The system tracks across multiple battles. It also takes into account factors such as if you were aiming at the friendly target and for how long. Even under the worst circumstances it takes 4 shots before you turn blue.

 

Regardless of what the other player did (which wasn't right) you then chose to aim your gun at him and fire at him twice. You and you alone are responsible for that choice, so yes, it was your fault.



Obsessive_Compulsive #5 Posted 31 March 2019 - 09:40 PM

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View PostDeadLecter, on 31 March 2019 - 09:34 PM, said:

if you shoot someone twice and turn blue it's because you have done before recently. Otherwise it's impossible to turn blue with 2 shots, and it's an automatic system. It doesn't about reasons. It acts based on it's program and can not do anything else.

 

next time a match starts fire 2 shots into a freind in platoon whilst in the cap circle and let me know how much fun your impossible ban is.

Edited by Obsessive_Compulsive, 31 March 2019 - 09:46 PM.


DeadLecter #6 Posted 31 March 2019 - 09:49 PM

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View PostObsessive_Compulsive, on 01 April 2019 - 12:10 AM, said:

 

next time a match starts fire 2 shots into a freind in platoon whilst in the cap circle and let me know how much fun your impossible ban is.

 

I've never shot anyone who was in a PL with me so I can't comment on that, but I have on occasion shot random people who pissed me off twice and didn't turn blue. Didn't do it in the cap circle so can't comment on that either.

Yaccay #7 Posted 31 March 2019 - 09:49 PM

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Nota bene: Do not shoot green players - teammates.

When someone "clean", then that person can shoot 2 times teammates without apparent punishment.

On the other hand if one in the previous match already shot teammate, then that also counts.

So just do not shoot teammate.

 

 

 



SuNo_TeSLa #8 Posted 31 March 2019 - 09:53 PM

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The braintrust of todays MM made it real hard not to pull the trigger at times, blockers and shovers all round xD

Room418 #9 Posted 31 March 2019 - 09:56 PM

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View PostDorander, on 31 March 2019 - 09:37 PM, said:

Like DeadLecter said, it's not your first time dealing teamdamage. The system tracks across multiple battles. It also takes into account factors such as if you were aiming at the friendly target and for how long. Even under the worst circumstances it takes 4 shots before you turn blue.

 

Regardless of what the other player did (which wasn't right) you then chose to aim your gun at him and fire at him twice. You and you alone are responsible for that choice, so yes, it was your fault.

 

That wasnt my fault. He started to shoot me. Ofcourse, I got triggered. :-) So, I gave answer and ofcourse, that player got out free with no bans and ofcourse I got banned. Nice. 

Jigabachi #10 Posted 31 March 2019 - 10:05 PM

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View PostRoom418, on 31 March 2019 - 09:19 PM, said:

That totaly wasnt my fault and system is broken about how players should be penalized. 

Nope. It just means that you shoot your teammates more often than the other guy, so you turned blue first and even were stupid enough to get yourself banned. Sooo... yeah. Karma.

 

btw: Next stupid thread. But hey! No insults and rage this time, congratulations.


Edited by Jigabachi, 31 March 2019 - 10:06 PM.


Obsessive_Compulsive #11 Posted 31 March 2019 - 10:06 PM

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View PostDeadLecter, on 31 March 2019 - 09:49 PM, said:

 

I've never shot anyone who was in a PL with me so I can't comment on that, but I have on occasion shot random people who pissed me off twice and didn't turn blue. Didn't do it in the cap circle so can't comment on that either.

 

You already commented on both by saying its not possible to turn blue from firing 2 shots. I am saying you are wrong and offering a way to prove it. thats all.

Room418 #12 Posted 31 March 2019 - 10:10 PM

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View PostJigabachi, on 31 March 2019 - 10:05 PM, said:

Nope. It just means that you shoot your teammates more often than the other guy, so you turned blue first and even were stupid enough to get yourself banned. Sooo... yeah. Karma.

 

btw: Next stupid thread. But hey! No insults and rage this time, congratulations.

 

Well, I will shot dum players. I just cant resist by shooting players back...even tho....they mostly ( not in this case ) make one shot, but still it literly pisses me off. I will always answer back two times more. 
21:14 Added after 4 minutes
You know, that I literly want this automatic system be more agresive. In a lot of cases I shot others, because in most cases I get shot first, so I am giving answer back to players two times more. Ofcourse, everything is my fault, noone else is guilty and so on. That is just....not fair. 

Nishi_Kinuyo #13 Posted 31 March 2019 - 10:18 PM

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Because you're a habitual team damager, that's why.

DeadLecter #14 Posted 31 March 2019 - 10:18 PM

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View PostObsessive_Compulsive, on 01 April 2019 - 12:36 AM, said:

 

You already commented on both by saying its not possible to turn blue from firing 2 shots. I am saying you are wrong and offering a way to prove it. thats all.

 

Well then my bad. I actually meant shooting someone during the battle twice but I didn't mention since I had no clue there are different scenarios.. I didn't know that shooting a pl mate in cap circle twice. 

Jigabachi #15 Posted 31 March 2019 - 10:18 PM

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View PostRoom418, on 31 March 2019 - 10:10 PM, said:

Ofcourse, everything is my fault, noone else is guilty and so on. That is just....not fair. 

You getting yourself banned is 100% your own fault. If you are stupid enough to shoot back, it's perfectly fair.


Edited by Jigabachi, 31 March 2019 - 10:19 PM.


Bracciano_gatto #16 Posted 31 March 2019 - 10:27 PM

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OP,

 

I dare you to shoot another friendly twice just to see what happens, let see if the system does indeed work ...

 

:facepalm:

 

(crossing fingers, hoping he does it...)


Edited by Bracciano_gatto, 31 March 2019 - 10:27 PM.


Dorander #17 Posted 31 March 2019 - 11:24 PM

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View PostRoom418, on 31 March 2019 - 09:10 PM, said:

 

Well, I will shot dum players. I just cant resist by shooting players back...even tho....they mostly ( not in this case ) make one shot, but still it literly pisses me off. I will always answer back two times more. 
21:14 Added after 4 minutes
You know, that I literly want this automatic system be more agresive. In a lot of cases I shot others, because in most cases I get shot first, so I am giving answer back to players two times more. Ofcourse, everything is my fault, noone else is guilty and so on. That is just....not fair. 

 

They are guilty. Just not as guilty as you. Like you state yourself, you will shoot players that you consider dumb, and you will always fire back twice as much as anyone who fires on you. Now in the first case, you are shooting players who are doing things that you subjectively disapprove of but aren't doing anything illegal, so that's you clearly breaking the rules and nobody else. In the second case, you are twice as guilty as the other party and given that the TK system has an incremental point-system that determines when you are guilty of intentional team damage (which, incidentally, you are) by how often and with how muc intentionality you do it, you reach that guilt threshold sooner than anyone else.

 

Want to avoid the supposed unfairness of the TK system? Stop pretending you have the right to judge other player's behaviour, when you stop applying your subjective definitions of fairness which are skewed in your favour to these situations, you'll find the system suddenly treats everyone equally.



Homer_J #18 Posted 31 March 2019 - 11:35 PM

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View PostRoom418, on 31 March 2019 - 08:19 PM, said:

 I get blue color

 

View PostRoom418, on 31 March 2019 - 08:56 PM, said:

 

 I got banned.

 

This thread just keeps on giving.

 

Seems to me like you get triggered a lot.  Might want to work on that because the bans get longer.



wEight_Tanker #19 Posted 31 March 2019 - 11:53 PM

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You shouldn't shoot green players. End.

S1dew1nder #20 Posted 31 March 2019 - 11:54 PM

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lol guys what are you on about he didn't shoot anyone 2 times he shot then bullied and then shot some more a bit more bullying and a final shot before tuning blue poor t 50 2 had 50hp left the other guy still had almost 700 hp left before he went blue 

 

tho the t 50 started it scraped tracks at the start and shot him twice for 176 are guy here returned the favour for 175 and that should of been the end of it but he had to go and start pushing the t50 all over the place 

 

i think you got what you deserve tbh mate you could just tell by the way the t 50 was driving he was new 






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