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Mauerbrecher issues, any hope for buff?


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Primordus #1 Posted 03 April 2019 - 11:20 AM

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Hey guys,

 

So first off, I have to declare, that I am no unicum player, and this is my first topic in this forum, so try not to be too hard on me.

 

I am a big fan of superheavy tanks, and I have been grinding through the german tech tree before, and I quite enjoy playingthe E-100 and the VK-100 aswell.

 

During last months top of the tree, I stumbled on the Maurbrecher. I noticed that this tank was released long ago, and that this was supposed to be a super heavy crew trainer, however as reviews suggested, it is quite lacking.

 

Since I didn t see much, I could tell that it had some problems for sure, but I bought it anyways.

 

Regarding the tank the biggest pros I noticed are the high alpha gun, and the 6 cewman training capacity.

 

The cons however were overwhelming.

- In bottom tier matches, the armour means nothing

- riddled with weakspots, 

- slow (what would you expect from a super heavy tough)

 

There are 3 big weak spots on the tank:

- the cupola, which is 150 mm, and pennable by even tier lV tanks

- machingun port, which is 140mm, and makes UFG amd brawling very hard

- LFG but this was expected as it is a weak spot for most german super heavies

 

THE WORST HOWEVER IS:

- 30 mm inner lower hull armour, next to the tracks, that can be autopenned by 90mm guns if I m correct, making it impossible to sidescrape. 

NOTE: I really feel this 30 mmarmour next to the tracks kills effective use of your armour and skill play.

 

Question is, is there any chance this tank gets a little love? At least for the armour at the side of the track...

 

Its been out for a while, and so far Wargaming didn t bother to touch it much. Does anyone know anything about an upcoming buff?

 

Should I hope or just accept that this tank is not really viable?



SuperOlsson #2 Posted 03 April 2019 - 11:31 AM

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Don’t get your hopes up, maybe in the announced global rebalance that may or may not come within 2 years (I start believing their promised thing once they at least hit supertest). T-44-100, T-54 mod 1 or just Russian meds in general are more likely to get buffed before the mauerbrecher are.

Cobra6 #3 Posted 03 April 2019 - 11:40 AM

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View PostPrimordus, on 03 April 2019 - 10:20 AM, said:

There are 3 big weak spots on the tank:

- the cupola, which is 150 mm, and pennable by even tier lV tanks

- machingun port, which is 140mm, and makes UFG amd brawling very hard

- LFG but this was expected as it is a weak spot for most german super heavies

 

 

Do show me which Tier IV tanks have 150mm standard ammo pen because I haven't found them yet.

 

The Mauerbrecher is actually one of the few *properly* balanced super heavy tank in this game that has viable weak spots for same tier *STANDARD* ammo.

 

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Jauhesammutin #4 Posted 03 April 2019 - 11:44 AM

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What you are describing is a balanced heavy.

Good armor with some weakpoints. If you mean by "inner lower hull" the hull behind the tracks, then it's 60mm and not 30. So only 181mm guns will overmatch it.

 

If the armor meant something against T10 tanks what could T6-8 tanks do? If you remove all the weakpoints then what could those tanks do?

 

Sidescrape like this:

Load some gold and the armor becomes paper. That's basically the same for all armor.

 



qpranger #5 Posted 03 April 2019 - 11:46 AM

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Just slap a few more bicycles on it to act as HEAT screens and it should be OK.

Primordus #6 Posted 03 April 2019 - 11:57 AM

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Jauhesammutin:

Sorry, I was wrong about the inner lower
hull,yet it feels lacking, especially if you compare it to its non premium counterpart.
And not by a bit
(Side note, overmatch mechanics still benefit 121+ mm guns, but yeah)

Cobra6:

Plenty of T6 tanks have 150+ pen with STANDARDvrounds, for example the ARL 44, but look them up on tanks.gg, there are quite a few.

DeadLecter #7 Posted 03 April 2019 - 11:57 AM

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During the rental time I realized my stock VK 100.01 P is better than a fully unlocked Mauerbrecher. Guess that says enough.

FatigueGalaxy #8 Posted 03 April 2019 - 12:52 PM

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View PostDeadLecter, on 03 April 2019 - 11:57 AM, said:

During the rental time I realized my stock VK 100.01 P is better than a fully unlocked Mauerbrecher. Guess that says enough.

 

View PostPrimordus, on 03 April 2019 - 11:57 AM, said:


hull,yet it feels lacking, especially if you compare it to its non premium counterpart.
 

 

Yeah, now you only have to realize that VK 100.01P is overpowered which makes it a very bad indicator how a balanced tier 8 should look like.

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View PostPrimordus, on 03 April 2019 - 10:57 AM, said:


Cobra6:

Plenty of T6 tanks have 150+ pen with STANDARDvrounds, for example the ARL 44, but look them up on tanks.gg, there are quite a few.

 

 

Oh sorry, I learned in school that Tier IV means Tier 4, not Tier VI which is Tier 6 ;)

 

In that case then yes, you are right, there are enough Tier 6 tanks with 150 pen indeed!

 

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View PostFatigueGalaxy, on 03 April 2019 - 03:22 PM, said:

 

 

Yeah, now you only have to realize that VK 100.01P is overpowered which makes it a very bad indicator how a balanced tier 8 should look like.

 

I don't think VK is overpowered. With all the gold spam and MM, no T8 can be overpowered. The armor is a little bit too much but the mobility is super bad which balances the tank in my opinion.

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If you are getting wrecked by tier 6 tanks OP then the issue might not be the tank..........

 



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View PostDeadLecter, on 03 April 2019 - 01:40 PM, said:

 

I don't think VK is overpowered. With all the gold spam and MM, no T8 can be overpowered. The armor is a little bit too much but the mobility is super bad which balances the tank in my opinion.

 

Sure, tell that to all those tier 6,7 and many tier 8 tanks which can't hurt VK even with premium ammo. Also, even if armour fails, VK has 1700 HP and 440 alpha (minimal exposure time) which makes it a lot better than most tier 8 heavies.

Broken tier 8 MM is not a balance factor. It will be fixed or adjusted in the future but VK will stay as it is - except it will see a lot more tier 7 and 6 battles.

 



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View PostFatigueGalaxy, on 03 April 2019 - 09:12 PM, said:

 

Sure, tell that to all those tier 6,7 and many tier 8 tanks which can't hurt VK even with premium ammo. Also, even if armour fails, VK has 1700 HP and 440 alpha (minimal exposure time) which makes it a lot better than most tier 8 heavies.

Broken tier 8 MM is not a balance factor. It will be fixed or adjusted in the future but VK will stay as it is - except it will see a lot more tier 7 and 6 battles.

 

If they reduce the cupola armor, it will be balanced. Now it is definitely not OP in my opinion. It is slow, and faces T9 and T10. I think I have seen T6 only once. And with all the gold spam people have no problem shooting the tank through the turret. This tank is literally a T8 Maus. You have your opinion and I got mine and in my opinion it is not OP. 



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The fun thing with the Mauerbrecher is that people are so focussed on shooting the cupola that they rarely ever bother with the other weakspots, I don't think I've ever been hit in the MG port in ~50 games of it. Even facehugging people, they'll try going for the cupola, at least from my experiences. Do think that the inner side armour should be changed a bit, while I do agree that overangling should be punished through trackhits, its a bit excessive in the Mauerbrecher imo.



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View PostDeadLecter, on 03 April 2019 - 07:13 PM, said:

If they reduce the cupola armor, it will be balanced. Now it is definitely not OP in my opinion. It is slow, and faces T9 and T10. I think I have seen T6 only once. And with all the gold spam people have no problem shooting the tank through the turret. This tank is literally a T8 Maus. You have your opinion and I got mine and in my opinion it is not OP. 

 

Having an opinion doesn't stop your from being wrong, though.

As a said, you can't balance tanks around the fact that they will see a lot of +1 and +2 tier battles. You balance them around their own tier, preferable around the same type. Take a look at VK 100.01 P and compare it to its counterparts - you can include premiums and stronger heavies (most of them are in a really poor state - Tiger II, I'm looking at you). VK shits on most of them...



TankkiPoju #16 Posted 04 April 2019 - 12:12 PM

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No, because it's not Russian.

gpalsson #17 Posted 04 April 2019 - 01:02 PM

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Well it's German and in WoT Most German tanks are supposed to be trash so it's unlikely.

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idk .. haven't played the rental PoS but i did go around in my mäuschen driving it backwards and yelling "i'm a mauerbrecher :izmena:" more than a couple of times when i was grinding it




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