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tall_paul #1 Posted 04 April 2019 - 08:39 AM

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I enjoyed the 50 100, but am struggling a bit with the 120.

 

Based on that, coupled with the fact that I'm (being honest) a bang average player, is it a waste of time getting the 50B in the current meta?



The_Georgian_One #2 Posted 04 April 2019 - 08:58 AM

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Yes. It's only playable now due to top of the tree - you can be sure there will be other 50Bs and 50 120s you will fight and not only WZ-juan-juan-juan..., IS7s and Type 5s.

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gpalsson #3 Posted 04 April 2019 - 09:22 AM

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Well if you like the second line fapping type of gameplay and are a quite good player you can probably make it work, but the tank just isn't very fun to play and I honestly wouldn't recommend it to anyone.

XxKuzkina_MatxX #4 Posted 04 April 2019 - 10:33 AM

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Not to go against the grain here but what do you got to lose at this point?

 

You went this far up the line through the 50 100 which is crap and currently at the 50 120 which is retarded with its gun elevation!

 

What's the point of stopping now? because compared to these two, the 50B is quite good. It's a fragile tank with a good gun, good mobility and it'll teach you something very important in this video game: "Don't get hit!"

 

Depending on armor in this game, sacrificing mobility for steel is never a good idea. The best armor is moving around while having a responsive gun and enough pen.



Solstad1069 #5 Posted 04 April 2019 - 11:07 AM

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Not to forget you need to use maybe ONLY premium ammo to be any useful.

pecopad #6 Posted 04 April 2019 - 12:15 PM

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Depression is idiotic, why would you have an oscilating turret in the first place? what was the point?

 

Also, biggest problem I face is team mates that don't understand how shitty and situational this tank is, and will start shooting and threatening you.

 

This is a mid/late game heavy, it works if we play it a bit like the batchat, but its really really bad early game.

 

And WG has to rethink the guns progressions on tier 9...at least give stock tanks a better gun than the tier 8


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Rati_Festa #7 Posted 04 April 2019 - 12:26 PM

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Im currently playing the 50 100 with a fresh crew and it seems competitive, especially in the medium wolf pack. I'm quite suprised people are saying its meh.

 

What are you comparing its against at t8? It's definately not meh compared to a panther II, or cdc, for example, it can outburst anything at its tier, it can pen other heavies at his tier. Its reasonable mobile so it can flex, it definately has "fear" factor and noobs struggle to deal with it. I played the Emil and this just seems to be a better version of that tank.

 



MeNoobTank #8 Posted 04 April 2019 - 12:40 PM

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I think the biggest problem with these tanks is that they can get matched against japanese heavies that can sometimes one shot you in the turret,

Jack_Sparroxx #9 Posted 04 April 2019 - 12:42 PM

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It's a 3d line support sniper, and whats the point of that in the current meta. You might just as well play a sneaky swede if you want to snipe. 

 

IMO all 3 tier 10 heavy autoloaders are more or less out of meta, even the bat 25 is seriously struggling. Most games are steam rolls, and a tank lime amx50B and bat25 ae the sort of tanks that are dangerous in the late game if you got plenty of HP left and you do clean up work. But since you loose for or less 50% of your games, and quite a few of those are steam rolls, you dont get many games any more in the current meta where you can go clean up HP. 

 

you could do that 2 years ago, but now? almost never. 



kubawt112 #10 Posted 04 April 2019 - 12:53 PM

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View PostRati_Festa, on 04 April 2019 - 12:26 PM, said:

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It arguably has potential, but most of it is likely wasted due to matchmaking and maps. The enemy team will "always" have the same amount of each class of vehicle, it's not a given that you'll face your "equivalent" (often you will, but generally not in platoons) and the maps generally don't favour mobility-based gameplay. In a team-based mode, you could perhaps get around it, but in randoms you kind of want a tank that can be where it generally matters and make a solid contribution. When the fighting occurs around a corner or on a crest and most areas are denied by TDs/crossfire from flanks, that tends to be difficult.

 

A good player will likely make it work well, but even then it's seriously underperforming. Last time I looked it was around 3-5% under player-average WR. Being an old tank matters a bit, I believe, but still.



Rati_Festa #11 Posted 04 April 2019 - 01:12 PM

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View Postkubawt112, on 04 April 2019 - 12:53 PM, said:

 

It arguably has potential, but most of it is likely wasted due to matchmaking and maps. The enemy team will "always" have the same amount of each class of vehicle, it's not a given that you'll face your "equivalent" (often you will, but generally not in platoons) and the maps generally don't favour mobility-based gameplay. In a team-based mode, you could perhaps get around it, but in randoms you kind of want a tank that can be where it generally matters and make a solid contribution. When the fighting occurs around a corner or on a crest and most areas are denied by TDs/crossfire from flanks, that tends to be difficult.

 

A good player will likely make it work well, but even then it's seriously underperforming. Last time I looked it was around 3-5% under player-average WR. Being an old tank matters a bit, I believe, but still.

 

​It might just be me than and a real liking for this type of tank. It feels more useable to me than my Emil and I had a 65%Wr in that after 150 ( which is super high for me ). I was expecting it to be utter garbage, but the six shot clip ( I have only ever played the Emil autoloaders ) and perhaps the new MM changes as I faced quite a few t7s might be a giving me a different better perspective. This type of tank will benefit greatly from facing lower tier opponents frequently nearly as much as a Defender or VK as it can clip a full lower tier tank with ease.

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View PostRati_Festa, on 04 April 2019 - 11:26 AM, said:

Im currently playing the 50 100 with a fresh crew and it seems competitive, especially in the medium wolf pack. I'm quite suprised people are saying its meh.

 

What are you comparing its against at t8? It's definately not meh compared to a panther II, or cdc, for example, it can outburst anything at its tier, it can pen other heavies at his tier. Its reasonable mobile so it can flex, it definately has "fear" factor and noobs struggle to deal with it. I played the Emil and this just seems to be a better version of that tank.

 

 

I'm in this camp as well and I'm still surprised the dislike the tank receives when I find as long as you use the tanks to their strengths which is burst damage and taking out isolated tanks, you can have a huge impact in the game, but I understand many over-commit and get themselves caught out. 

 

 



grensu #13 Posted 04 April 2019 - 01:25 PM

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but then why is the 50B the only autoloader (other than one tvp on cliff and mines) used on a couple of maps in CW/SH ?

fwhaatpiraat #14 Posted 04 April 2019 - 01:27 PM

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In a tier x only game the tank really struggles. Most tanks it faces are hulldown and almost impenetrable because of that. I also prefer 50-100 :)

pecopad #15 Posted 04 April 2019 - 01:31 PM

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View Posteekeeboo, on 04 April 2019 - 01:20 PM, said:

 

I'm in this camp as well and I'm still surprised the dislike the tank receives when I find as long as you use the tanks to their strengths which is burst damage and taking out isolated tanks, you can have a huge impact in the game, but I understand many over-commit and get themselves caught out. 

 

 

 

Problem is that your team does not understand that, so try to stay in a support position and you will get TKed and insulted...

 

50 100 is not that bad, but the tier 9.... 



CyberRage #16 Posted 04 April 2019 - 01:35 PM

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The only advantage it has over the bc 25t is better gun handling and gun depression.

 

Not really worth it to become a huge XP pinata in my opinion.



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nvm... 

 


Edited by Jack_Sparroxx, 04 April 2019 - 03:53 PM.


Rati_Festa #18 Posted 04 April 2019 - 04:03 PM

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View Posteekeeboo, on 04 April 2019 - 01:20 PM, said:

 

I'm in this camp as well and I'm still surprised the dislike the tank receives when I find as long as you use the tanks to their strengths which is burst damage and taking out isolated tanks, you can have a huge impact in the game, but I understand many over-commit and get themselves caught out. 

 

 

 

Perhaps it used to be OP and now its just balanced? So player have a warped rosetinted glasses mindset withit.

 

I have the same feelings about the e25 I played it to death when it was truly OP, now I use it rarely as a lot of changes have just made it merely better than average rather than its historic standing in the game :) it just doesnt feel the same, even though I know its far better than 80% of the other t7 tanks

 

The assets the amx 100 50 has imo makes it a great pick for randoms, especially if the mm settles down at that tier.



Renesco #19 Posted 04 April 2019 - 04:06 PM

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50 120 isn't great but it does have huge burst damage if you get into a nice spot with it, trouble is it takes a full 12+ seconds to blow its load, however it's worth it for those funny moments like when you come up against a slow-reloading e75 and clip him and then he rages at you afterwards in the garage.

DeadLecter #20 Posted 04 April 2019 - 04:58 PM

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Well I am playing stock 50 120 and it is really disappointing. I hope it gets better with the top gun but 50B is not that good really specially when you are the only top tier heavy and get matched against a S.Conq. Well guess what? you can't go against him so you go the other way and he will tear your team apart. So, I think it's a good tank, it is a bit situational and way too big. Today I saw it side by side next to an E100 and it is almost the same height if not taller. That is bad for a tank with literally no armor. So you need to know what you're doing to be able to do well in 50 B.




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