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Soree #1 Posted 04 April 2019 - 12:57 PM

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One of my first tier 10s was the Leopard 1 and I still love the tank, but now that I've gone and got the AX I can't help but feel it's better in almost every way apart from the aiming time. I hit shots just as often as I do in the Leopard with my AX and more often than not do far better in the machine.

 

I think the armour mixed with the turret traverse and on-the-move accuracy just makes it WAY more formidable than the Leopard. I can't be the only one who thinks the Leopard 1 needs a dramatic buff just so it can keep up with the other tier 10 mediums. Just feels like it has been left in the dust.

 

Little bit of a rant but I just wanted to see if anyone else has noticed it.



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Leopard defiantly needs some love, gun soft stats would be where I would like to see it buffed, but the CAX is not great either. You spend most of the game ammo-racked.

 

If its formidable you are after you need to be looking for a tank with Obj in the name.

 

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Edited by DangerMouse, 04 April 2019 - 01:05 PM.


Soree #3 Posted 04 April 2019 - 01:06 PM

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Pretty much all tier 10 meds get ammo racked easily, but the Centurion just bullies the Leopard. I know the Centurion is far from the best, but that doesn't mean it can be so much better than the leopard.. I'd rather take a 30B over the leopard nowadays.

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Leopard is still balanced for the year it was introduced into WoT, just like the STB-1 is, while WoT in gameplay, meta and balancing has advanced in big strides since then so both are no longer relevant in WoT.

 

Leopard needs more mobility and better gun handling.

STB-1 needs it's dispersion on hull rotation buffed drastically and it's airtime brought down.

 

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View PostSoree, on 04 April 2019 - 12:06 PM, said:

Pretty much all tier 10 meds get ammo racked easily, but the Centurion just bullies the Leopard. I know the Centurion is far from the best, but that doesn't mean it can be so much better than the leopard.. I'd rather take a 30B over the leopard nowadays.

 

Have had the 30B and the Leopard unlocked for ages, havent bought either so yes they both suck.

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I'd understand if they kept the Leopard's [edited] on the move accuracy but there is no reason for it to have such a bad turret traverse dispersion. It's stupid.

Edited by eekeeboo, 04 April 2019 - 01:17 PM.


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I like both, but for some reason, overall I prefer Leopard 1. I think it could be I used it for the old school MT-15 missions and so I feel some form of attachment to the tank :) Never really got to love the 30b as much. 

 

If you haven't tried it though, I suggest you give the STB a go and see if that might be something you like :) 



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View Posteekeeboo, on 04 April 2019 - 12:16 PM, said:

I like both, but for some reason, overall I prefer Leopard 1. I think it could be I used it for the old school MT-15 missions and so I feel some form of attachment to the tank :) Never really got to love the 30b as much. 

 

If you haven't tried it though, I suggest you give the STB a go and see if that might be something you like :) 

 

When WG get round to balancing the Leopard I imagine they will do something strange like reduce its reverse speed, nerf its aim time, accuracy and pen but buff its DPM.

 

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Leopards are inferior tanks to the Centurians, so it should be like this in the game.

 

Don't see any problem, actually Centurian gun should be better than the Leopard's... considering the Leopard uses an English gun...


Edited by pecopad, 04 April 2019 - 01:24 PM.


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View Postpecopad, on 04 April 2019 - 01:23 PM, said:

Leopards are inferior tanks to the Centurians, so it should be like this in the game.

 

Don't see any problem, actually Centurian gun should be better than the Leopard's... considering the Leopard uses an English gun...

 

Even tiered tanks should be equally powerful, regardless of real life performance. If tweaking soft stats is impossible to achieve this, then the Centurion shouldn't even be allowed in the game.

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I have both, and i find that i enjoy playing the Leo way more than the Centurion.

The Leo in randoms still relevant as a scout and long range support tank but some buffs would make it way more competitive.



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View PostAnymn, on 04 April 2019 - 01:46 PM, said:

 

Even tiered tanks should be equally powerful, regardless of real life performance. If tweaking soft stats is impossible to achieve this, then the Centurion shouldn't even be allowed in the game.

 

Its like you wanting all teams in FIFA to have the same level... makes no sense IMHO.

 

You should have good and bad tanks, just like you have good and bad teams in Fifa. The real test is not to be better with the better equipment, the real skill test it to be better in an inferior tank.

 

For the ones like me who collect/grind tanks, I would like a bit of historic/real reference. So Leopard's shouldn't be that great tanks.

 

If you only like to play good tanks, go for the 430U and 140... why bother with either the Leopard or the Centurion. Slap a german flag on a 430U and you have an OP German Medium tank.

 


Edited by pecopad, 04 April 2019 - 01:58 PM.


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View Postpecopad, on 04 April 2019 - 12:23 PM, said:

Leopards are inferior tanks to the Centurians, so it should be like this in the game.

 

Don't see any problem, actually Centurian gun should be better than the Leopard's... considering the Leopard uses an English gun...

 

Difference is the Centurion is using the L7A2 and the Leopard 1 is using the L7A3. To be honest the gun on the Leopard 1 should out perform the Centurions by quite a margin.

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View PostSoree, on 04 April 2019 - 01:56 PM, said:

 

Difference is the Centurion is using the L7A2 and the Leopard 1 is using the L7A3. To be honest the gun on the Leopard 1 should out perform the Centurions by quite a margin.

 

Why the choice of guns in the first place? Makes no sense to me, did the British sell the good guns to the Germans and French and kept the bad ones?

 

Centurians should be the best Nato medium tank, like they were in real life.



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View Postpecopad, on 04 April 2019 - 01:02 PM, said:

 

Why the choice of guns in the first place? Makes no sense to me, did the British sell the good guns to the Germans and French and kept the bad ones?

 

Centurians should be the best Nato medium tank, like they were in real life.

 

The Leopard was more universal due to its weight and size, Centurions are pretty huge and heavy. The Leopard was able to lay its gun and land the first shot in most encounters where the Centurion used a variant with a much bigger breach which caused the gun to be a little bit sluggish to lay on target compared to the Leopard.. So it's a bit of a fair match.

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View PostDangerMouse, on 04 April 2019 - 03:34 PM, said:

Leopard defiantly needs some love, gun soft stats would be where I would like to see it buffed, but the CAX is not great either. You spend most of the game ammo-racked.

 

If its formidable you are after you need to be looking for a tank with Obj in the name.

 

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This is a problem with lots of Brit tanks. Shoot them through the track, Damage+track+ammo rack guaranteed.

View PostSoree, on 04 April 2019 - 03:36 PM, said:

Pretty much all tier 10 meds get ammo racked easily, but the Centurion just bullies the Leopard. I know the Centurion is far from the best, but that doesn't mean it can be so much better than the leopard.. I'd rather take a 30B over the leopard nowadays.
 

Be very careful what you wish for because AMX 30B is a pure, 100% , 36 tons of useless steel. The worst gun possible. Bad accuracy, worst penetration, bad shell velocity bad accuracy and almost no armor. It is even worse than Leo 1. I'd take Leo over my 30 B any day.


Edited by DeadLecter, 04 April 2019 - 02:14 PM.


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View PostSoree, on 04 April 2019 - 02:04 PM, said:

 

The Leopard was more universal due to its weight and size, Centurions are pretty huge and heavy. The Leopard was able to lay its gun and land the first shot in most encounters where the Centurion used a variant with a much bigger breach which caused the gun to be a little bit sluggish to lay on target compared to the Leopard.. So it's a bit of a fair match.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Ordnance_L7

 

I think it was a WG decision, nothing to do with reality.

L7a3 from wiki: " Variant for the (West) German Leopard 1 MBT. The upper rear corner of the breech block reduced in size so gun can be depressed without hitting the turret roof."

 

Leopard was not more universal, Leopard was a worst tank when compared to the Centurian, and so was the Amx, and so was the M1


Edited by pecopad, 04 April 2019 - 02:13 PM.


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View Postpecopad, on 04 April 2019 - 01:11 PM, said:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Ordnance_L7

 

I think it was a WG decision, nothing to do with reality.

L7a3 from wiki: " Variant for the (West) German Leopard 1 MBT. The upper rear corner of the breech block reduced in size so gun can be depressed without hitting the turret roof."

I know but you were talking about making them more realistic. In reality it was a bit of an even match since they both excelled in their roles.

 

But in game they should be balanced. One is a brute that can bully lower tiers, the other is a thinking mans medium.


Edited by Soree, 04 April 2019 - 02:13 PM.


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View PostSoree, on 04 April 2019 - 02:13 PM, said:

I know but you were talking about making them more realistic. In reality it was a bit of an even match since they both excelled in their roles.

 

But in game they should be balanced. One is a brute that can bully lower tiers, the other is a thinking mans medium.

 

Where did the Leopard even fight?

 

This German bias is absurd. Germans didn't even know how to make tanks. Centurian is widely regarded has the NATO best medium tank, I don't think there is any question about it.



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View Postpecopad, on 04 April 2019 - 01:17 PM, said:

 

Where did the Leopard even fight?

 

This German bias is absurd. Germans didn't even know how to make tanks. Centurian is widely regarded has the NATO best medium tank, I don't think there is any question about it.

 

There's a 10 ton difference. Canada literally just traded in their Leopard 1s and upgraded to Leopard 2s, the tank is just a jack of all trades. The chassis can be used for everything, the engine was excellent and easily upgraded and the gun was practically the same as the Centurions. It just made more sense to take the Leopard over the centurion.




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