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N_Joi #1 Posted 05 April 2019 - 01:19 PM

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I was wondering does anybody else think the Lorraine need a buff on the load time

XxKuzkina_MatxX #2 Posted 05 April 2019 - 01:26 PM

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Do you have a Lorraine already or are you trying it from the twitch package?

DeadLecter #3 Posted 05 April 2019 - 01:30 PM

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You know there is more than 1 Lorraine in the game. If you're talking about arties then no. If you're talking about Lorr 40t then again no. That thing is already powerful AF and needs no buff.

The_Naa #4 Posted 05 April 2019 - 01:31 PM

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nah, its about the same as the Somua SM's  and Lorr 40 is a medium after all so i think its fairly balanced.

Edited by The_Naa, 05 April 2019 - 02:05 PM.


RainbowRay #5 Posted 05 April 2019 - 01:32 PM

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View PostXxKuzkina_MatxX, on 05 April 2019 - 01:26 PM, said:

Do you have a Lorraine already or are you trying it from the twitch package?

 

great answer to his question. Very on point and detailed argument.

View PostN_Joi, on 05 April 2019 - 01:19 PM, said:

I was wondering does anybody else think the Lorraine need a buff on the load time

 

I think the reload time is totally fine. You just play more cautious and punish people by flanking them. Clip Potential is great and load time with BIA crew and Premium food is slightly above 30 secs. DPM of 1.8k is fine.

 

What i think they should buff is the intraclip reload which needs 2.5 secs at the moment and they should tone it down to 2sec



SuedKAT #6 Posted 05 April 2019 - 01:32 PM

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If you're referring to the Lorr 40t then no it don't need a buff no.

XxKuzkina_MatxX #7 Posted 05 April 2019 - 01:41 PM

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View PostRainbowRay, on 05 April 2019 - 02:32 PM, said:

great answer to his question. Very on point and detailed argument.

 

There is a question mark at the end of the sentence, so that wasn't an answer. That was a question to understand the OP better instead of writing a typical reply!

 

View PostRainbowRay, on 05 April 2019 - 02:32 PM, said:

I think the reload time is totally fine. You just play more cautious and punish people by flanking them. Clip Potential is great and load time with BIA crew and Premium food is slightly above 30 secs. DPM of 1.8k is fine.

 

What i think they should buff is the intraclip reload which needs 2.5 secs at the moment and they should tone it down to 2sec

 

Buffing the intra clip reload means buffing the DPM btw!!!

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View PostThe_Naa, on 05 April 2019 - 02:31 PM, said:

nah, its about the as the Somua SM's  and Lorr 40 is a medium after all so i think its fairly balanced.

 

Somua DPM is way better at 2001 while the Lorraine is on the low side at 1684. Among tier 8 mediums the lowest is 1671, so yeah its DPM is kind of bad.

Balc0ra #8 Posted 05 April 2019 - 01:53 PM

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On the tier 8 prem? Nope. It has longer reload vs the T69 that also has a 4 round clip. But way more pen, alpha, burst damage and mobility vs it. And vs the 50 100 that has 2 more rounds in the clip. The DPM difference is 60 or so iirc. So vs most clip guns on tier 8. I don't see why it should.

 

View PostXxKuzkina_MatxX, on 05 April 2019 - 01:41 PM, said:

Somua DPM is way better at 2001 while the Lorraine is on the low side at 1684. Among tier 8 mediums the lowest is 1671, so yeah its DPM is kind of bad.

 

 

That's a HT vs a med. And if the T69, Lorr and Pantera were at over 2K. They would be a tad more broken vs their role and mobility etc. Even more so as the Lorr is a med, with the same pen and alpha as the Somua and 50 100. Even the Emil is at 1800. If anything... The Souma DPM is rather high for a tier 8 clip gun vs the Lorr being low. 


Edited by Balc0ra, 05 April 2019 - 01:56 PM.


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Lorraine 40t is fine due to amazing mobility, high burst and god-level yolo-potential for T8. A decent intra-clip-buff would be pretty insane.

 

I don't own the Somua but the Lorraine is what I prefer. Mobility > a bit of armor and DPM.

 

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DaddysLittlePrincess #10 Posted 05 April 2019 - 02:06 PM

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I wouldn't mind ~0.5s better aiming time, as the gun is complete potato. A 10m more view range would be nice also. 

XxKuzkina_MatxX #11 Posted 05 April 2019 - 02:07 PM

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View PostBalc0ra, on 05 April 2019 - 02:53 PM, said:

That's a HT vs a med. And if the T69, Lorr and Pantera were at over 2K. They would be a tad more broken vs their role and mobility etc. Even more so as the Lorr is a med, with the same pen and alpha as the Somua and 50 100. Even the Emil is at 1800. If anything... The Souma DPM is rather high for a tier 8 clip gun vs the Lorr being low. 

 

I'd appreciate it if you could just quote the post normally like everyone else instead of that copy-paste!

 

The_Naa was comparing both the Lorraine and the Somua in terms of DPM and my reply was addressing that so READ the post and understand the context!!!

 

The lower limit of tier 8 mediums is 1671 DPM and the Lorraine having 1684 is kind of bad. Oh wait a minute, i just wrote that (post #7) and you just failed to read AGAIN!!!!



The_Naa #12 Posted 05 April 2019 - 02:15 PM

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View PostXxKuzkina_MatxX, on 05 April 2019 - 02:07 PM, said:

 

I'd appreciate it if you could just quote the post normally like everyone else instead of that copy-paste!

 

The_Naa was comparing both the Lorraine and the Somua in terms of DPM and my reply was addressing that so READ the post and understand the context!!!

 

The lower limit of tier 8 mediums is 1671 DPM and the Lorraine having 1684 is kind of bad. Oh wait a minute, i just wrote that (post #7) and you just failed to read AGAIN!!!!

 

i mean that the Somua and Lorr 40 have the same gun, same reload time, Somua has 1 shell more in the magazine and Lorr has a bit worse gun in terms of soft stats but its still more accurate when fully aimed. 

so considering that the Lorr 40 gets a good mobility but gives away some armor

and Somua has more armor but gives away the mobility.

in the end it comes down to which one you prefer? speed and accuracy with no armor or armor and 1 extra shell with slow speed. (IMO)


Edited by The_Naa, 05 April 2019 - 02:23 PM.


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View PostThe_Naa, on 05 April 2019 - 03:15 PM, said:

i mean that the Somua and Lorr 40 have the same gun, same reload time, Somua has 1 shell more in the magazine and Lorr has a bit worse gun in terms of soft stats but its still more accurate when fully aimed. 

so considering that the Lorr 40 gets a good mobility but gives away some armor

and Somua has more armor but gives away the mobility.

in the ends it comes down to which one you prefer? speed and accuracy with no armor or armor and 1 extra shell with slow speed. (IMO)

 

I thought you were talking about the DPM since that's what the topic is about.

 

These two are quite different tanks with different play styles. Sharing the same gun means very little since that 100mm SA47 is on many french tanks like the AMX M4 49, the 50 100, AMX 65T for example.

 

My point is, even among tier 8 mediums that DPM is quite low. Compared to something like the Progetto with similar role and mobility but with 1877 DPM and much better gun handling.

 

It's just old, nothing to do with balance. Same as the FV4202 compared to the Centurion 5/1!


Edited by XxKuzkina_MatxX, 05 April 2019 - 02:35 PM.


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View PostXxKuzkina_MatxX, on 05 April 2019 - 02:32 PM, said:

 

I thought you were talking about the DPM since that's what the topic is about.

 

These two are quite different tanks with different play styles. Sharing the same gun means very little since that 100mm SA47 is on many french tanks like the AMX M4 49, the 50 100, AMX 65T for example.

 

My point is, even among tier 8 mediums that DPM is quite low. Compared to something like the Progetto with similar role and mobility but with 1877 DPM and much better gun handling.

 

It's just old, nothing to do with balance. Same as the FV4202 compared to the Centurion 5/1!

 

the gun in Somua and Lorr both is good in terms of pen and dmg per shot and the difference is only in the platform.

Lorr is still better medium than P.88, 59-Patton or T-34-3 if you manage to trade and then get to a safe location to reload.

i really dont think it needs a DPM buff… 

but im not against it either as i would like to see another God tier tank in my garage. :justwait:



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View PostThe_Naa, on 05 April 2019 - 03:47 PM, said:

the gun in Somua and Lorr both is good in terms of pen and dmg per shot and the difference is only in the platform.

Lorr is still better medium than P.88, 59-Patton or T-34-3 if you manage to trade and then get to a safe location to reload.

i really dont think it needs a DPM buff… 

but im not against it either as i would like to see another God tier tank in my garage. :justwait:

 

Yeah it's also better than the TVP so it must be perfect!

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I don't think the Lorraine needs a buff on the load time, I get about 26 seconds with rammer and good crew, this tier 8 arty seems pretty balanced to me.

Nishi_Kinuyo #17 Posted 05 April 2019 - 05:42 PM

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Yes, the 39L AM could use a reload buff.

Bordhaw #18 Posted 05 April 2019 - 06:14 PM

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View PostN_Joi, on 05 April 2019 - 12:19 PM, said:

I was wondering does anybody else think the Lorraine need a buff on the load time

 



NUKLEAR_SLUG #19 Posted 05 April 2019 - 06:45 PM

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View PostN_Joi, on 05 April 2019 - 01:19 PM, said:

I was wondering does anybody else think the Lorraine need a buff on the load time

 

No, managing your reload is just a skill you need to learn to use the tank effectively.

Cro006 #20 Posted 06 April 2019 - 11:06 AM

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I'd buff aim time, and interclip reload to 2,25. Maybe reload time down by 2 seconds, so it's around 30 seconds, not 32 - 33 :P




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