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Poll: Have wheeled vehicles unbalanced the game? (105 members have cast votes)

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Have wheeled vehicles unbalanced the game?

  1. Yes, definitely. (48 votes [45.71%])

    Percentage of vote: 45.71%

  2. Yes, to some extent. (19 votes [18.10%])

    Percentage of vote: 18.10%

  3. No, not very much. (17 votes [16.19%])

    Percentage of vote: 16.19%

  4. No, not at all. (21 votes [20.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 20.00%

Are wheeled vehicles are too fast and maneuverable

  1. Yes, definitely (58 votes [55.24%])

    Percentage of vote: 55.24%

  2. Yes, to some extent (18 votes [17.14%])

    Percentage of vote: 17.14%

  3. No, not very much (21 votes [20.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 20.00%

  4. No, not at all (8 votes [7.62%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.62%

Are wheeled vehicles currently too heavily armored?

  1. Yes, definitely (25 votes [23.81%])

    Percentage of vote: 23.81%

  2. Yes, to some extent (20 votes [19.05%])

    Percentage of vote: 19.05%

  3. No, not really (29 votes [27.62%])

    Percentage of vote: 27.62%

  4. No, not at all (31 votes [29.52%])

    Percentage of vote: 29.52%

Do wheeled vehicles have too powerful guns?

  1. Yes, definitely (26 votes [24.76%])

    Percentage of vote: 24.76%

  2. Yes, to some extent (25 votes [23.81%])

    Percentage of vote: 23.81%

  3. No, not really (29 votes [27.62%])

    Percentage of vote: 27.62%

  4. No, not at all (25 votes [23.81%])

    Percentage of vote: 23.81%

Do wheeled vehicles need to be nerfed?

  1. Just remove them from the game. (44 votes [41.90%])

    Percentage of vote: 41.90%

  2. Yes, they need to be seriously nerfed, they are too over-powered (10 votes [9.52%])

    Percentage of vote: 9.52%

  3. Yes, they need to be nerfed to bring back some balance. (20 votes [19.05%])

    Percentage of vote: 19.05%

  4. No, they are well balanced with the other types of tanks (16 votes [15.24%])

    Percentage of vote: 15.24%

  5. No, they are already under powered. (15 votes [14.29%])

    Percentage of vote: 14.29%

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Iridiumalloy #1 Posted 07 April 2019 - 09:02 AM

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Here is an opportunity to let the game developers know what you think of wheeled vehicles and their effect on the game.

4ztec #2 Posted 07 April 2019 - 09:16 AM

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If WG is interested in the communities opinion, they will start a poll themselves.

I don't think that the dev's read this part of the forum.

 

Also: A forum poll is not representative and can easily be manipulated.


Edited by 4ztec, 07 April 2019 - 09:20 AM.


kubawt112 #3 Posted 07 April 2019 - 09:28 AM

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Polls can be a quick and effective way to gather an opinion, but is also a good way to gather mere subjective opinions, rather than good arguments for why they, potentially, need some work. There are a fair amount of subjects on this forum that severely lacks good arguments, from one or both sides.

Case in point: Skill-based matchmaking (SBMM). Sounds good and fun, but doesn't stand up to scrutiny, nor are those in favour of SBMM generally able to address the core issues proposed by those against it.

 

If you want to get any kind of point across to WG, you are likely far better off proposing the same questions without the poll, and giving some details/observations around them. A core issue is perhaps their implementation, rather than their performance. Wheeled vehicles seemed like the ideal way to create a vehicle able to hunt down SPGs and spot camping TDs, but they've generally ended up more as a kind of harasser/LT counter. That was most definitely not needed.


Edited by kubawt112, 07 April 2019 - 09:30 AM.


Jigabachi #4 Posted 07 April 2019 - 09:46 AM

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We already had that opportunity in the 50 previous threads about it.

That said, short answer: The question should be "Did they FURTHER unbalance the game?", because the game already IS horribly unbalanced.

And the poll lacks a question about the actual impact on gameplay. How exactly did they "unbalance the game"?



Laatikkomafia #5 Posted 07 April 2019 - 09:57 AM

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WG should add a new feature to all the wheelchairs: A G-force meter.

 

What I've seen, those little cockroaches (don't ban me WG) can pull off turns that would knock out F1 drivers.

 

Make it that the wheelchair crews can stun themselves if a certain G-force is reached.



seXikanac #6 Posted 07 April 2019 - 10:08 AM

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View PostIridiumalloy, on 07 April 2019 - 09:02 AM, said:

Here is an opportunity to let the game developers know what you think of wheeled vehicles and their effect on the game.

 

I see two issues with the wheeled vehicles.

First one is that they cant be tracked They are super fast and they soak up a lot of shots (broken model capsule, or what ever). Wheels are easier to break in real life so not being able to track them is not just game breaking its apsurd as well. Wheels are easier to repair than tracks, so tracking of WV can be just for few seconds, yet it should and must be implemented.

Second is the special lock-on feature. Why drivers of WV don't need to take the effort to aim while rest of us do? It's like they have aimbot and rest of us have the sluggish internet connection. How is that fair fight?

PipariIkkunaPesuvati #7 Posted 07 April 2019 - 10:11 AM

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View PostLaatikkomafia, on 07 April 2019 - 08:57 AM, said:

WG should add a new feature to all the wheelchairs: A G-force meter.

 

What I've seen, those little cockroaches (don't ban me WG) can pull off turns that would knock out F1 drivers.

 

Make it that the wheelchair crews can stun themselves if a certain G-force is reached.

 

You still expect some kind realism from wg :amazed:

1ncompetenc3 #8 Posted 07 April 2019 - 10:17 AM

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Every time I see a wheeled vehicle rush through the other team's spawn, lighting up the entire team, killing the SPG's and returning to their own lines alive and well because nobody has been able to hit them, I feel like I'm looking at the exact reason T-50-2 was removed back in the day.

Steve8066 #9 Posted 07 April 2019 - 10:48 AM

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View PostIridiumalloy, on 07 April 2019 - 09:02 AM, said:

Here is an opportunity to let the game developers know what you think of wheeled vehicles and their effect on the game.

 

they dont care, they only care about $$$$$$$

reklakazala #10 Posted 07 April 2019 - 10:59 AM

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View PostJigabachi, on 07 April 2019 - 09:46 AM, said:

We already had that opportunity in the 50 previous threads about it.

That said, short answer: The question should be "Did they FURTHER unbalance the game?", because the game already IS horribly unbalanced.

And the poll lacks a question about the actual impact on gameplay. How exactly did they "unbalance the game"?

 

well

lets see

10 mm armor= 1000 HP

10 ton vehicle armed witzt 100 mm gun

vheels instead tracks and they dont suffer ground pressure issue

side armor = truck tyre, best well known armor according to WOT( o, space armor filled with air also invention of WOT)

obviously all wheels have independent steering device 

no ammorack, no flamible fuels

they are perfectly balanced 

because intention of WOT was to get rid of old players who have plenty of tanks in garage and dont buy anything

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View PostPipariIkkunaPesuvati, on 07 April 2019 - 10:11 AM, said:

 

You still expect some kind realism from wg :amazed:

 

WOT exsist in parallel universe where air is best known armor( its called SPACE armor, you put 2 sheets of thin steel plate and AIR between them) where 100 ton 4 meter high 4 meter wide TD hide behind tiny little bush,

Ogroid #11 Posted 07 April 2019 - 11:18 AM

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The only reason they bother me is the disproportionate effect they can have when the majority of the opposing team are inexperienced or just dim, don't move to cover quickly enough and the inevitable happens. They would probably have lost anyway, but the massacre is accelerated.

Laur_Balaur_XD #12 Posted 07 April 2019 - 11:25 AM

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View Post4ztec, on 07 April 2019 - 08:16 AM, said:

If WG is interested in the communities opinion, they will start a poll themselves.

I don't think that the dev's read this part of the forum.

 

Also: A forum poll is not representative and can easily be manipulated.

 

Yeah, too bad that WG never made a poll in 8 years.....

They are 'balancing' the game just based on the income, they don't give a crap about what players want/think.


Edited by Laur_Balaur_XD, 07 April 2019 - 11:26 AM.


Dorander #13 Posted 07 April 2019 - 11:43 AM

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For me the critical problem of wheeled vehicles isn't that they can't be shot but that they can't be tracked in practice. If you pull the same stunts with a light tank, you have a very real risk of losing your tracks at which point you are nearly guaranteed death, which is why few people pull these stunts with a light tank.

 

Making them trackable would go a long way towards rebalancing these things.



PipariIkkunaPesuvati #14 Posted 07 April 2019 - 12:00 PM

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View Postreklakazala, on 07 April 2019 - 09:59 AM, said

WOT exsist in parallel universe where air is best known armor( its called SPACE armor, you put 2 sheets of thin steel plate and AIR between them) where 100 ton 4 meter high 4 meter wide TD hide behind tiny little bush,

 

Do you mean "invisible" space armory?

 

 


Edited by PipariIkkunaPesuvati, 07 April 2019 - 12:01 PM.


speedphlux #15 Posted 07 April 2019 - 12:05 PM

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I'm not sure about the wheeled vehicles. They are odd. Speed and maneuverability doesn't look as odd as the old T-50-2 back in the days, just as Classic showed us. But their introduction (the wheeled vehicles) kinda asks the question - why was the original T-50-2 removed ? Why did we let go of that active scout role in WoT at all ? I always thought that the removal of active scouting from the game was a non-sense back then and I think it is today, so I'm kinda glad they brought them in.

But then again, WG had to "strike" with their "genius" "game balance" and ruin it all. So the wheeled vehicles are blind as bats, can't mount Binos and their maneuverability is kinda stupid when you hit a building and have to back and forth your way out of the situation. This makes so little sense in a tank game, that their whole presence in WoT is put to question. Quite naturally so I'd say - it's a "tanks" game. Not a "wheeled vehicles" one. That's why the old T-50-2 made sense back then, but now these new wheeled vehicles are just seen as a blight to the whole enjoyment.

 

In short - wheeled vehicles were a cool idea implemented poorly. Not surprising at all, since we're dealing with WarGaming here. They think they know what they want, but what they really want is not quite what they want. Honestly, if they make a 0.8.0 to 0.8.11 permanent Classic server, I'm outta here. Not because of the wheeled lights or other (japanese) imbalances. But because back then everything had meaning and meant something. Now you can grind your little touche off to get a WZ-111 5A and realize a month after you buy it that it's no longer meaningful tank in the meta. So you start another line, and then they nerf that one too. Or buff everything else to make you obsolete. Out of all my favorite tanks that I've ever had, the ones I still keep going back to, are my Tier 6s - T-34-85 and Hellcat. These are fine, because WG didn't eff'ed them up. Yet ! There is no telling what they'll do next.



LCpl_Jones #16 Posted 07 April 2019 - 12:19 PM

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i hate the things, so many zero effect hits

 

critical hit, nothing happens, just carries on buzzing along snap shot auto aiming and hitting ffs



FluffyRedFox #17 Posted 07 April 2019 - 01:31 PM

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Last question seems kind of flawed. They're very min-maxed so what I want to see is them being nerfed in some aspects and buffed in others. I'd like to see rapid mode removed and slight gun handling nerfs while buffing guns in DPM and pen and a bit more VR, or something along those lines. 

Props for a balanced poll btw. :great:



NUKLEAR_SLUG #18 Posted 07 April 2019 - 01:45 PM

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View Post1ncompetenc3, on 07 April 2019 - 10:17 AM, said:

Every time I see a wheeled vehicle rush through the other team's spawn, lighting up the entire team, killing the SPG's and returning to their own lines alive and well because nobody has been able to hit them, I feel like I'm looking at the exact reason T-50-2 was removed back in the day.

 

Then that's their own fault for being unable to shoot straight. I've seen plenty others try that thinking they are untouchable and if even half the team can aim straight they get a quick trip back to the garage. 

WindSplitter1 #19 Posted 07 April 2019 - 03:01 PM

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View PostLaatikkomafia, on 07 April 2019 - 08:57 AM, said:

WG should add a new feature to all the wheelchairs: A G-force meter.

 

What I've seen, those little cockroaches (don't ban me WG) can pull off turns that would knock out F1 drivers.

 

Make it that the wheelchair crews can stun themselves if a certain G-force is reached.

 

Humans can tolerate horizontal G-force much better than vertical (except when prone, Heinkel Lerche style). This isn't a combat flight sim. :D

 

Have WG adding N2O instead



Balc0ra #20 Posted 07 April 2019 - 03:11 PM

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Depends on who you ask. If you ask anyone that has only faced them. Then yes. If you aks anyone that owns at least 2. Then no. As what the first group makes them out to be. Is what the 2nd group sees 1 every 10 games tbh.

 

And depending on map. It's also shown when you only have 1 wheeled on the map. Open maps, the wheeled gets spotted and dies instantly to the 445m view range tracked light. On a smaller closed map like Mines. The wheel gets up first and HE spams the track light, unless he has some armor like the 432 or the WZ. But overall? Not really. Far from it. IMO there is an issue between speed and view range for the role they want them to do as acitve scouts on the tier 6 and 7. As tbh, the tier 6 is not that much faster then most tracked lights he faces. And an mirror issues between view range and speed on higher tiers.

 

They are all good bully tanks, and great support to friendly scouts to counter enemy scouts. But not good at the role WG set them out to do to break that balance. As yolo spotting that some do, is not a new art form in the game to make that ruin them.






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