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Is Jagdtiger 8,8 underrated?

  1. Yes, it can be extremely useful and dangerous! (11 votes [18.64%] - View)

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D34THNOTE #1 Posted 07 April 2019 - 02:42 PM

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Hello!

 

Recently I bought the Jagdtiger 8,8 cm back, had it few years ago but it felt boring for me back then.

 

And since I got it again, I have to admit, I have no idea why it's kinda rare nowadays, you don't really see this thing on battlefield anymore, do you?

 

I wanted to ask you guys, why? It's honestly great. What surprised me the most is not the awesome and very outstanding DPM, but how people keep shooting the well armored box on top of Tiger II chassis, playing this tank makes me feel like average tier VIII tanker has 10 IQ less than I thought, which would make it go to negative number at this point. It's obviously not the best tank out there, in some situations is probably borderline useless, but this applies to almost every tank in game if not all of them.

 

So, what do you think of JgTig 8,8? Is it hidden gem for those who enjoy super heavy TD gameplay? Or maybe you think I'm completely wrong? Then write why you think this tank's not as good as I described it!



SuedKAT #2 Posted 07 April 2019 - 02:46 PM

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Personally I view it as a bigger XP/creidt pinata than the Tog II, it's so easily outplayed and so out of meta that it's ridiculous, I traded in my own a while ago and I can¨t say I miss it one bit. 

TPpie #3 Posted 07 April 2019 - 02:48 PM

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Its a credit work-horse, sure but it's not very flexible on the battlefield, which means its not everyone's cup-o-tea, hence why it isn't much popular.

 

with the addition of WVs and things like the tier 9 L_Object_L 430 and others, its become fairly outdated in regards to the meta.

 

Its Prem MM does allow it to have its moments though.


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DeadLecter #4 Posted 07 April 2019 - 03:14 PM

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JigTig is one of the easiest tanks to deal with. Never had any problems killing it. No armor, no mobility. That DPM was never scary combined with that alpha and pen.

The_Naa #5 Posted 07 April 2019 - 03:16 PM

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it relies on its DPM and it will loose a fire fight as soon as it has to trade shots.

too hew players tend to stay put and let me rip them apart.

so it has to pick a fight very carefully. IMO



D34THNOTE #6 Posted 07 April 2019 - 03:37 PM

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View PostDeadLecter, on 07 April 2019 - 02:14 PM, said:

JigTig is one of the easiest tanks to deal with. Never had any problems killing it. No armor, no mobility. That DPM was never scary combined with that alpha and pen.

 

My point is that it seems like an easy tank to deal with, and it is, I know how to beat it cause it is obvious, and you'd think that everyone who got to tier VIII will figure that out pretty fast. But, at least from my experience, people don't know what to do if you have good position, meaning that you hide your lower hull and maybe even angle top armor a bit. Of course I'm not talking about every single player. Just what I felt in general playing it, maybe I'm just good player, definitely above average, but it still feels like a very strong tank on right flank. 

 

We all know it's slow af so you can't control game like in Lorr. 40t or Progetto, but as an fun tank which can bounce damage that equals x times it's own HP and possibly even push the whole flank, it works really well for me.

 

I expect people to think that it's bad and most of the times unplayable because almost no one plays this thing, and when you're kinda good you can deal with tanks like JgTig with little to no effort so your view of this tank is expected to be not in it's favour at least. I want to argue that when you're actually driving this tank, you realize that even though it is easy to overplay, many people seem to just get eaten by it's DPM while shooting angled 250mm of armour or escaping as they can't do much if you're in right spot

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View PostSuedKAT, on 07 April 2019 - 01:46 PM, said:

Personally I view it as a bigger XP/creidt pinata than the Tog II, it's so easily outplayed and so out of meta that it's ridiculous, I traded in my own a while ago and I can¨t say I miss it one bit. 

 

I didn't miss it at all too, until recently I thought, [edited]it, I want to experience some super heavy tank gameplay. And it worked for me, it's not nearly as bad as Tog II, I know its weakspots are obvious, but if you'll hide lower hull then enemies, especially T8s and lower, won't be able to vaporize you, which makes it so much better than Tog. 

Laatikkomafia #7 Posted 07 April 2019 - 03:51 PM

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Sluggish arty magnet with pathetic alpha with the superstructure armor and ROF being the redeeming feature.

 

But the thing is. It is almost impossible to trade with 240 alpha. You hit a tier 8 or 9 tank for 240 damage, and get slapped back for 390-750. Also finding a spot where you can constantly use your gun's full DPM potential is also quite difficult.



pihip #8 Posted 07 April 2019 - 04:11 PM

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If you like this tank good for you, but IMHO it was a waste of money.

Main reason the Tier 9 JT is still feared is its gun, yet by now not only we have non-TDs with similar alpha (50TP), but lower tiers too (WZ-111-1G FT which is a Tier 8).

The JT8,8 was good when the MM often put it at the top of the totem with lots of Tier 6 to farm. As things are today, a slow assault gun with puny penetration and alpha that is easy to defeat scares absolutely no one.

I mean, no one fears Ferdinand with its 490 alpha gun, now imagine the same tank with a 240 alpha peashooter. :(

D34THNOTE #9 Posted 07 April 2019 - 04:51 PM

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View PostLaatikkomafia, on 07 April 2019 - 02:51 PM, said:

Sluggish arty magnet with pathetic alpha with the superstructure armor and ROF being the redeeming feature.

 

But the thing is. It is almost impossible to trade with 240 alpha. You hit a tier 8 or 9 tank for 240 damage, and get slapped back for 390-750. Also finding a spot where you can constantly use your gun's full DPM potential is also quite difficult.

 

That's why you don't trade, you wait/bait shots/peek in spots where you're impenetrable. That's how I played every single one one of my battles in which I did from 2k to 4k damage, trading might only be worth it if you can detrack enemy without repair kit and then go back to farm him for free
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View Postpihip, on 07 April 2019 - 03:11 PM, said:

If you like this tank good for you, but IMHO it was a waste of money.

Main reason the Tier 9 JT is still feared is its gun, yet by now not only we have non-TDs with similar alpha (50TP), but lower tiers too (WZ-111-1G FT which is a Tier 8).

The JT8,8 was good when the MM often put it at the top of the totem with lots of Tier 6 to farm. As things are today, a slow assault gun with puny penetration and alpha that is easy to defeat scares absolutely no one.

I mean, no one fears Ferdinand with its 490 alpha gun, now imagine the same tank with a 240 alpha peashooter. :(

 

Big advantage is that you can detrack every 4,4 second, so if enemy ignores you he might die in very ungraceful way. The thing is, it really easy to defeat? I keep saying that in right spot, especially in right matchup, only He shells can damage you, so if you can hide your weakspots you are pretty much imperishable, so far I was lucky enough to avoid getting raped by artillery, probably because of right positioning + luck. I know the high alpha is enjoyable, I love meds with 390 or things like Skorpion G, 50TP prototyp or even SU-130PM, but after playing them for a while, having a lot of fun in newest wheeled vehicles, it honetly feels great to be kinda invincible and ready to detrack -> milk everyone who forgets what high ROF can do

 


hasnainrakha57 #10 Posted 07 April 2019 - 05:03 PM

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8.8cm for tier 8 td is meh good players after receiving one shot from this tank will run away or hide themselves knowing they are in front of machinegun and hence jagidtiger can not use its dpm effectively.How ever giving this tank 490alpha gun without buffing armor and speed is good for this tank but it will be similiar to ferdinand!

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View Posthasnainrakha57, on 07 April 2019 - 04:03 PM, said:

8.8cm for tier 8 td is meh good players after receiving one shot from this tank will run away or hide themselves knowing they are in front of machinegun and hence jagidtiger can not use its dpm effectively.How ever giving this tank 490alpha gun without buffing armor and speed is good for this tank but it will be similiar to ferdinand!

 

That's exactly what didn't happen in my battles, people weren't willing to give up meat grinders, the only places where they could possibly be effective only because something that they couldn't penetrate showed up

Laatikkomafia #12 Posted 07 April 2019 - 06:09 PM

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If the tank is so good, why don't you show us some of your replays, where you deal over 3000 damage. (4 shots with the ISU-152, 6 shots with the SU-130PM).

TPpie #13 Posted 07 April 2019 - 06:36 PM

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View PostD34THNOTE, on 07 April 2019 - 04:51 PM, said:

 

 it really easy to defeat? I keep saying that in right spot, especially in right matchup, only He shells can damage you, so if you can hide your weakspots you are pretty much imperishable, so far I was lucky enough to avoid getting raped by artillery, probably because of right positioning + luck.

 

Well there you go, I mean anything can work exceedingly if it performs in the ideal circumstances it is meant for.

 

 

 



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View PostLaatikkomafia, on 07 April 2019 - 05:09 PM, said:

If the tank is so good, why don't you show us some of your replays, where you deal over 3000 damage. (4 shots with the ISU-152, 6 shots with the SU-130PM).

 

If you really want to, There you go. Also my wn8 on this tank from 12 battles is 2834(stats from *last session stats mod*)

 

http://wotreplays.eu/site/4838922#redshire-d34thnote-8_8_cm_pak_43_jagdtiger

 

http://wotreplays.eu/site/4838925#steppes-d34thnote-8_8_cm_pak_43_jagdtiger

 

http://wotreplays.eu/site/4838943#siegfried_line-d34thnote-8_8_cm_pak_43_jagdtiger

 

http://wotreplays.eu/site/4838946#abbey-d34thnote-8_8_cm_pak_43_jagdtiger

 

http://wotreplays.eu/site/4838948#cliff-d34thnote-8_8_cm_pak_43_jagdtiger

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View PostTPpie, on 07 April 2019 - 05:36 PM, said:

 

Well there you go, I mean anything can work exceedingly if it performs in the ideal circumstances it is meant for.

 

 

 

 

Yeah, I'd say this tank has okay "range" of good circumstances, especially with new matchmaking 

Toni112007 #15 Posted 07 April 2019 - 07:05 PM

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I have JT 8.8 and its so bad. Laugably bad... I would like if WG offer us option to exchange JT 88 for JT (H).

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Laatikkomafia #16 Posted 07 April 2019 - 07:18 PM

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View PostD34THNOTE, on 07 April 2019 - 07:49 PM, said:

 

If you really want to, There you go. Also my wn8 on this tank from 12 battles is 2834(stats from *last session stats mod*)

 

http://wotreplays.eu/site/4838922#redshire-d34thnote-8_8_cm_pak_43_jagdtiger

 

http://wotreplays.eu/site/4838925#steppes-d34thnote-8_8_cm_pak_43_jagdtiger

 

http://wotreplays.eu/site/4838943#siegfried_line-d34thnote-8_8_cm_pak_43_jagdtiger

 

http://wotreplays.eu/site/4838946#abbey-d34thnote-8_8_cm_pak_43_jagdtiger

 

http://wotreplays.eu/site/4838948#cliff-d34thnote-8_8_cm_pak_43_jagdtiger

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Yeah, I'd say this tank has okay "range" of good circumstances, especially with new matchmaking 

 

I see three replays with 3k+ damage and the lack of understanding of sample size.

 

In the last six battles I had with the Emil I, I won 83,33% and got 3151 WN8. Does it mean the tank is good?


Edited by Laatikkomafia, 07 April 2019 - 07:19 PM.


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View PostLaatikkomafia, on 07 April 2019 - 06:18 PM, said:

 

I see three replays with 3k+ damage and the lack of understanding of sample size.

 

In the last six battles I had with the Emil I, I won 83,33% and got 3151 WN8. Does it mean the tank is good?

 

I'm not saying good battles I had only happened due to tank being good itself, it's obviously my skill, luck and tank combined. But how do we judge if the tanks is good or not then? You know, some tanks seem to work for some people, maybe small group who can perform really well and enjoy the playstyle tank "x" provides. I remember my battles(not exactly by my sort of first impressions) and looking at these battles they didn't seem very lucky, enemies in my opinion were playing on average level, it was just being a right tank in the right place. I don't know if Emil I is good bcs I don't have it, maybe you feel good playing it like I do playing JgTig 8,8 or MAYBE it was pure luck you got there, can't judge battles I didn't see, but I don't even want to

 

My point from the beginning was that this tank in my opinion can be effective and fun to play for people who accept this style, and maybe because people look at it as at a bad tank it's even more dangerous, cause they don't feel like it's a threat until they get damaged at least 2 times before hiding making it 480 damage dealt (on average). I'm mentioning this specific situation because that's what I noticed, people often seemed to not look at me as something with very big DPM potential until I start melting down their HP

 

We can argue here but I would just say that this tank can be a good choice for super heavy stuff fans, especially after fixing matchmaker, but a complete garbage and bag of slow moving free damage for others. Which I can deal with as long as it performs well in my hands. That said I do have actual mind and I know how much better(most of the times) I can do in something mobile like Lorr. 40t, bcs YES fast tanks have bigger impact on battle overall, unless the map is a full meat grinder everywhere, that's where JgTig 8,8 shines the most in my opinion. 



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View PostLaatikkomafia, on 07 April 2019 - 07:09 PM, said:

If the tank is so good, why don't you show us some of your replays, where you deal over 3000 damage. (4 shots with the ISU-152, 6 shots with the SU-130PM).

 

View PostLaatikkomafia, on 07 April 2019 - 08:18 PM, said:

 

I see three replays with 3k+ damage and the lack of understanding of sample size.

 

In the last six battles I had with the Emil I, I won 83,33% and got 3151 WN8. Does it mean the tank is good?

 

You asked for "some" replays with over 3k damage and you got them. You didn't ask for a good sample size nor he's obliged to provide any replays at all.

 

Should i continue this?

 

Ok, you played exactly '10' tier 8 tanks. Two of them are TDs, the Jpanther II with 1568 DPG and the ISU-152 with 1753 DPG. Both with over a 100 battles so i'd say that's a good sample size. Now both of these have very good alpha at 490 and 750.

 

The OP played 176 battles in his Jagdtiger 8.8 with 1452 DPG using that horrible 240 alpha. Most of those battles, i imagine, were before the recent buffs.

 

Does that seem to you like a significant difference to dismiss that particular TD as "useless"?

 

You made the jump from discussing a certain TD's performance to discussing a certain player's performance. Now deal with the mess!


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I'd say it would be competitive if it was a tier lower, as it stands it's just fodder in tier 8 matches.

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Both Jagdtiger TD problems lie in the fact they are extremely situational. Neither of them have armor up-close,and it's hard to trade with 240,like already mentioned. The performance heavily depends on team setups,the map. I rarely play mine these days,and I sold the tier 9,because it almost killed my nerves with it's trollish gun.





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