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speedphlux #1 Posted 08 April 2019 - 10:37 AM

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So, I got spammed by the in-game announcement thingy and it sorta caught my eye. The AMX 13 57 was always on my *wishlist* of tanks I would eventually like to add to my garage, but not a *must-have* in any sense, so I went to check the Premium Shop and I've found out that the cheapest bundle, costs the equivalent of 8,000 - 8,300 gold. For a Tier VII tank ?! Then I looked inside the bundle and found out that there is 3,000 gold bundled up with the tank. What for ?!

If I need the gold, I would either buy the 8,200 for roughly the same amount of money, or get the "The Cherry on Top" offer if I needed the Premium Time. Rough estimates show that the AMX 13 57 costs around 5,200-5,300 gold, but the cheapest bundle sells for more than a Tier VIII Premium Medium tank in the Premium Shop, like the STA-2 for example. Given that the shop's most expensive Tier VIII Premium Light tank is the T92 is the cheapest Tier VIII Premium tank by far, It's safe to guess that the AMX 13 57 should be cheap enough to compete with the rest of the Tier VII Premium tanks. Current ones in the Tech Tree varry from 4,950 gold (FV201 (A45)) all the way to 7,700 (VK 45.03). So, if you want to save up money, you're basically getting overcharged for the AMX 13 57.

In before people start to say "but WG needs to make profit" - they already are. We're buying pixels and fictional currency off them. Not exactly something to keep you warm you know. I'm fine for paying extra to wear a hoodie with WoT logo on it - that's fine. It's something I can touch and feel. A little tiny OP Light tank is not exactly within my hand's grasp. And I don't think that overcharging us for pixels and fictional currency is OK. Profits are profits, but this is stupid. Which isn't a surprise coming from WG. I just wonder if others sniffed it out as well.

 

What happened with the whole "No bundled tanks on EU" mantra ? You had that meeting in Cyprus with the Community Contributors like 2 years ago. You think it slipped out heads and we forgot about it ?



DA_ZOHAN #2 Posted 08 April 2019 - 10:41 AM

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It is an absolute super t7 light.

Great for missions, great for surprise *utt *ex, it is the supplier of death by a thousand paper cuts.

Is it worth the money?  Well, nothing in WOT is really "worth" the money, it is a matter of you deciding if you want to have a really good t7 lt prem or not.

 

I for one am hoping that WG will come out with a CW campaign with tier 7 and 9 once or twice, this tank would be a great choice for that.



undutchable80 #3 Posted 08 April 2019 - 10:43 AM

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Agree, all that bloatware with tanks these days, even in 'standard' packages is off-putting and unnecessary imho.

Geno1isme #4 Posted 08 April 2019 - 10:51 AM

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View Postspeedphlux, on 08 April 2019 - 11:37 AM, said:

What happened with the whole "No bundled tanks on EU" mantra ? You had that meeting in Cyprus with the Community Contributors like 2 years ago. You think it slipped out heads and we forgot about it ?

 

That was only for tanks released afterwards, the 13 57 was before then (and btw, that meeting was in 2015 already). Same why tanks like KV-5 or Type 62 are only available in bundles.

Edited by Geno1isme, 08 April 2019 - 10:52 AM.


baribal_80 #5 Posted 08 April 2019 - 10:54 AM

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Because it is a t8 tank essentially. I don't know now but when I 3 marked mine on NA the 3 mark reqs were the same as a Lowe. 

Balc0ra #6 Posted 08 April 2019 - 11:10 AM

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That promise was more or less made for new tanks they always sold in a bundle at that point, and never alone. And so far they have been true to their word on that. But, rare tanks like this or the tier 5 Lefh arty have only been sold in bundles, or rare event tanks like the T-44-100 was sold more pricey in a bundle after that. And was not really included in that deal. As the T-44-100 did cost the same price you paid for to skip the event for it back in the day until they dropped the price recently. And that I'm fine with. 13 57 was not made for the current MM, it was never balanced to be top tier. Now there even is a new MM that makes it top tier more often, or gives it equal tier games. And with his burst fire, bundle is perfectly fine vs flooding tier 7 with them cheap.



BlueSnail #7 Posted 08 April 2019 - 11:11 AM

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Its good to let WG know that you are not pleased with their premium tank offers.

Now all you have to do is vote with your wallet.  :coin:



If_I_Die_You_Die_Too #8 Posted 08 April 2019 - 11:21 AM

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Was tempted but I've got a Cromwell B which is a fabulous popgun tank for fun gaming

 

The actual price is 5000gold, about 15 quid

 

http://wiki.wargamin..._100_GrandFinal

 

The low Damage and only 56 shells could make it a frustrating tank


Edited by AlbaTankArmy, 08 April 2019 - 11:25 AM.


Cobra6 #9 Posted 08 April 2019 - 11:29 AM

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The AMX 13 57 is so competitive that it is viewed as OP by some (it's not, it's just what a light tank *SHOULD* be, a high skill vehicle) and because of that, WG artificially inflates the price of the bundle to ensure there isn't a massive influx of them on the server.

 

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TankkiPoju #10 Posted 08 April 2019 - 12:59 PM

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View PostCobra6, on 08 April 2019 - 11:29 AM, said:

The AMX 13 57 is so competitive that it is viewed as OP by some (it's not, it's just what a light tank *SHOULD* be, a high skill vehicle) and because of that, WG artificially inflates the price of the bundle to ensure there isn't a massive influx of them on the server.

 

Cobra 6

 

All tier 7 light tanks should at least get the same view range as 13 57.

 

Why the heck does AMX 13 75 have less, for example.



Homer_J #11 Posted 08 April 2019 - 01:20 PM

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View PostTankkiPoju, on 08 April 2019 - 12:59 PM, said:

 

All tier 7 light tanks should at least get the same view range as 13 57.

 

Why the heck does AMX 13 75 have less, for example.

 

Because all tech tree lights were adjusted when they removed scout matchmaking but premiums weren't.

lnfernaI #12 Posted 08 April 2019 - 01:34 PM

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View PostCobra6, on 08 April 2019 - 12:29 PM, said:

The AMX 13 57 is so competitive that it is viewed as OP by some (it's not, it's just what a light tank *SHOULD* be, a high skill vehicle) and because of that, WG artificially inflates the price of the bundle to ensure there isn't a massive influx of them on the server.

 

Cobra 6

 

See, he gets it.

DeadLecter #13 Posted 08 April 2019 - 03:03 PM

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Pay to win honey. You want to get an edge over others? You gotta pay. It kinda out performs all T7 LTs.

TankkiPoju #14 Posted 09 April 2019 - 08:51 AM

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View PostHomer_J, on 08 April 2019 - 01:20 PM, said:

 

Because all tech tree lights were adjusted when they removed scout matchmaking but premiums weren't.

 

Hello sir, do you have time to talk about the Saviour of Tech Tree Light tanks - T71 DA?

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View PostTankkiPoju, on 09 April 2019 - 08:51 AM, said:

 

Hello sir, do you have time to talk about the Saviour of Tech Tree Light tanks - T71 DA?

 

Cobra6 is the person to talk about light tanks.  And having played that line before the rework I managed to miss both versions of the T71.

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View PostDeadLecter, on 08 April 2019 - 02:03 PM, said:

Pay to win honey. You want to get an edge over others? You gotta pay. It kinda out performs all T7 LTs.

Because it used to have +3/-1 MM and wasn't nerfed when the light tank MM changed to +2/-2. So it's basically an old T8 light.



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View PostJauhesammutin, on 09 April 2019 - 11:48 AM, said:

Because it used to have +3/-1 MM and wasn't nerfed when the light tank MM changed to +2/-2. So it's basically an old T8 light.

 

It out performs all T7 LTs except for one. T71 DA.:teethhappy:

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View PostDeadLecter, on 09 April 2019 - 08:38 AM, said:

 

It out performs all T7 LTs except for one. T71 DA.:teethhappy:

 

Well, if I look at my performance in it compared to T7 lights I played recently: WZ-131, Type62, T71DA but also tanks like the Comet and T23E3, it doesn't stand out at all in terms of average damage.

Honestly, I do not think the T71DA or AMX 13 57 are over performing or overpowered.

 

They are very competitive, basically what light tanks should be, high skill-cap vehicles that aren't artificially held back by bad balancing.

 

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View PostCobra6, on 09 April 2019 - 02:54 PM, said:

 

Well, if I look at my performance in it compared to T7 lights I played recently: WZ-131, Type62, T71DA but also tanks like the Comet and T23E3, it doesn't stand out at all in terms of average damage.

Honestly, I do not think the T71DA or AMX 13 57 are over performing or overpowered.

 

They are very competitive, basically what light tanks should be, high skill-cap vehicles that aren't artificially held back by bad balancing.

 

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What I have learned is that average damage and a tank's effectiveness are not that relevant. Let me give you an example.

I have Grille 15 and Strv 103B.

Strv 103B with 2954 damage.

Grille 15 with 2820 damage.

They are close, but is Grille 15 anything like Strv 103B?



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View PostCobra6, on 08 April 2019 - 10:29 AM, said:

The AMX 13 57 is so competitive that it is viewed as OP by some (it's not, it's just what a light tank *SHOULD* be, a high skill vehicle) and because of that, WG artificially inflates the price of the bundle to ensure there isn't a massive influx of them on the server.

 

Cobra 6

 

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View PostCobra6, on 09 April 2019 - 11:24 AM, said:

 

Well, if I look at my performance in it compared to T7 lights I played recently: WZ-131, Type62, T71DA but also tanks like the Comet and T23E3, it doesn't stand out at all in terms of average damage.

Honestly, I do not think the T71DA or AMX 13 57 are over performing or overpowered.

 

They are very competitive, basically what light tanks should be, high skill-cap vehicles that aren't artificially held back by bad balancing.

 

Cobra 6

 

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