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Annonym_theSoviet #1 Posted 09 April 2019 - 04:36 PM

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So I now have played a few games in the TS-5 and here are my observations.

The TS-5:

  • Cannot snipe due to crap dispersion values
  • Cannot facehug due to large tumour on top of hull.
  • Cannot fight midrange due to trash LFP. Tier 7's will have no trouble getting through your LFP.
  • No fear-factor for attacking opponents due to measly 400 alpha.
  • The only redeeming quality is the DPM, which is quickly nullified by the above four points

I had the misfortune of grinding 80% of the marathon and then buying the thing for 10 quid. This is honestly one of the worst premiums in the game. My advice is - wait for Defender to go on sale again, and buy that, instead of doing the marathon, which is only good for premium time and directives.

Defender, in comparison has:

  • Even worse dispersion values, but neither the TS-5 or the defender are snipers;
  • The ability to facehug due to INSANE front armour and ABSOLUTELY no weakspots;
  • The ability to fight midrange, due to extreme LFP, which no tier 7 can go through and most tier 8's will have trouble dealing with;
  • Fear-factor due to having one of the best alphas (440) of heavies in its tier.
  • Crap DPM. But when you actually have a turret it is way easier to exploit a high DPM rather than when you are a slow-moving sack of crap.
  • A higher top speed of 35km/h (compared to 26km/h of TS-5) and a higher specific power.

 

TL;DR This game is broken beyond repair and I weep for its future. People who buy defenders are contributing to its slow demise.

 

EDIT: I might have been a bit unfair on the TD in saying that it was trash. As a standalone vehicle it is a brilliant moneymaker due to the DPM stats and can face off against others in competent hands, especially if you hide that abysmal LFP. What I meant was that, relatively to its tier compatriots it is quite mediocre. While I have been consistently getting 3k dmg games, the TS-5 was used purely as a support vehicle and would have a hard time 1v1-ing other vehicles. I guess it is important to make this distinction.


Edited by Annonym_theSoviet, 09 April 2019 - 07:37 PM.


TheDrownedApe #2 Posted 09 April 2019 - 04:41 PM

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I bought The witcher 3 instead on offer at 10. I will be back for FL but that will probably be it

Ringo_Star #3 Posted 09 April 2019 - 04:52 PM

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View PostTheDrownedApe, on 09 April 2019 - 03:41 PM, said:

I bought The witcher 3 instead on offer at 10. I will be back for FL but that will probably be it

If you bought Witcher 3 you won't be back for two or three months. Have fun and good luck on your path.



falcon_96 #4 Posted 09 April 2019 - 04:55 PM

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Buy it? Dude i'm already halfway through mission 8, without playing too hard, and i still have 5 days to go!
WG knows that tank is nothing special, i think that is why the marathon is so easy, actually, come to think of it, the extreme meh-ness of the TS-5 might be the reason we get a marathon for it in the first place, so soon after the EBR.

wEight_Tanker #5 Posted 09 April 2019 - 05:01 PM

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Yeah, I thought it was cool to get something completely for free but the mission and energy spend on them just won't be worth it.

Annonym_theSoviet #6 Posted 09 April 2019 - 05:09 PM

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View Postfalcon_96, on 09 April 2019 - 03:55 PM, said:

Buy it? Dude i'm already halfway through mission 8, without playing too hard, and i still have 5 days to go!
WG knows that tank is nothing special, i think that is why the marathon is so easy, actually, come to think of it, the extreme meh-ness of the TS-5 might be the reason we get a marathon for it in the first place, so soon after the EBR.

 

I didn't feel like wasting another 3 days of my life on 2 marathon missions was worth it.

 

This is wrong, imho. Even if the marathon is easier, the tank shouldn't be borderline crap. Ideally, all tanks in a specific tier should be equal. One should not be stronger in all aspects than another. As such, either Defender should get nerfed to the level of a TS-5 or a TS-5 should get buffed to Defender levels.


Edited by Annonym_theSoviet, 09 April 2019 - 05:12 PM.


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View PostAnnonym_theSoviet, on 09 April 2019 - 05:09 PM, said:

 

I didn't feel like wasting another 3 days of my life on 2 marathon missions was worth it.

 

how about some TD campaing missions?... i dont have enough TDs in garage to complete some

NoobySkooby #8 Posted 09 April 2019 - 05:57 PM

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To the OP, did you not watch the vids on the tube where every CC whilst being able to make it work, said it was borderline crap, sorry to hear that you wasted money, I have done such things myself with the 50TP, as for this thing, the tech tree regular one got sold PDQ, and this looks no better at all.

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View PostTheDrownedApe, on 09 April 2019 - 04:41 PM, said:

I bought The witcher 3 instead on offer at 10. I will be back for FL but that will probably be it

 

I bought both The Witcher 3 and the GOTY edition, well worth it. Once I have the new system up and running (still need to decide on a mainboard), I will go for another playthrough for The Witcher 3. Last one was with FCR, this one will be with either Ghost Mode or Enhanced Edition.

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Obviously you won't get anything worthwhile if you can lower the price easily by 70-80%.

Annonym_theSoviet #11 Posted 09 April 2019 - 06:06 PM

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View PostNoobySkooby, on 09 April 2019 - 04:57 PM, said:

To the OP, did you not watch the vids on the tube where every CC whilst being able to make it work, said it was borderline crap, sorry to hear that you wasted money, I have done such things myself with the 50TP, as for this thing, the tech tree regular one got sold PDQ, and this looks no better at all.

 

Dunno what you are talking about... Dez and QB both were pretty lenient with it, saying that "it's a matter of taste". I actually bought the 50TP as well (at a discount), but it doesn't feel like trash as much as this. Obviously a fake defender, but workable (but still a waste imho).
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View PostTheMeow, on 09 April 2019 - 05:05 PM, said:

Obviously you won't get anything worthwhile if you can lower the price easily by 70-80%.

 

That's the problem with the game. You shouldn't be able to get a better-in-all-aspects vehicle just by wasting days on marathons or paying 50 bucks. Otherwise you get an extremely toxic, pay-2-win environment, i.e. what WoT is right now.

Either don't give people easy marathons at all or don't sell borderline god-tier vehicles. 



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Well, I presume WG made more bucks on the week selling the defender/252u than the previous month, so...

Pandabird #13 Posted 09 April 2019 - 07:00 PM

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I was going to buy it for the crew.

 

Is it like the female one where the BIA is "free" aka 0 skill or does it count as 1 skill?



Indomitus #14 Posted 09 April 2019 - 07:18 PM

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Did the marathon so had this one for 'free' and been having an utter blast with it. Crazy dpm and hilarious in platoon where things just melt.

 

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Also making me a crazy amount of credits due to the dpm.


Edited by Indomitus, 09 April 2019 - 07:19 PM.


DeadLecter #15 Posted 09 April 2019 - 07:43 PM

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I think I was probably the first one to unlock it through the marathon (well no one has announced it earlier) and just a couple hours after I unlocked it I said it was not a good tank. The armor is good and usable but the god awful dispersion kills it. A T8 tank with decent armor can brawl against T8s and maybe against weak T9 tanks. But what are you gonna do when you get in a MM against TX guns which is almost all the time? What do you do on Sand river against TX guns? Can't brawl and can't snipe. What about Malinovka? Westfield? Serene coast? Himmelsdorf? Ghost town?

There are very very few maps where you can be useful and the T8 MM kills the tank. Armor is only good if it can become almost immune. Like angling a Maus or turret of Russians. Other than that, you don't have any armor. And the LFP is big, if you angle LFP becomes 280~300 and it's hard to pen but if you angle, upper plate become 254~270. T8s with gold rounds pen you and T8 TDs with T9 and T10s can easily give a nice beating. And everyone spams gold anyway so you are facing at least 260 pen from T8s and 300+ from T9s and T10s. I wish it had 2500 DPM but better accuracy.



vasilinhorulezz #16 Posted 09 April 2019 - 08:33 PM

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Got it for free, even if it's thrash, it's a free tonk.

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View PostAnnonym_theSoviet, on 09 April 2019 - 03:36 PM, said:

So I now have played a few games in the TS-5 and here are my observations.

The TS-5:

  • Cannot snipe due to crap dispersion values
  • Cannot facehug due to large tumour on top of hull.
  • Cannot fight midrange due to trash LFP. Tier 7's will have no trouble getting through your LFP.
  • No fear-factor for attacking opponents due to measly 400 alpha.
  • The only redeeming quality is the DPM, which is quickly nullified by the above four points

I had the misfortune of grinding 80% of the marathon and then buying the thing for 10 quid. This is honestly one of the worst premiums in the game. 

 

Right, so if WG sell an supposed OP tank for example LeFH, Defender or E25 then players will and are the first to use these forums to complain. 

 

Then WG make a medium difficulty marathon for a not-OP tank and the same players still complain how "rubbish" the tank is.

 

WG are giving what the players want and they want OP tanks.



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View PostTheDrownedApe, on 09 April 2019 - 04:41 PM, said:

I bought The witcher 3 instead on offer at 10. I will be back for FL but that will probably be it

 

when having witcher3 finished with dlc (so like after a month or so) then go play witcher 1 and 2 aswell if not done yet, even more time away from WoT then ;)

 

cyberpunk2077 coming up aswell soonTM :great:



Annonym_theSoviet #19 Posted 09 April 2019 - 09:25 PM

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View PostBordhaw, on 09 April 2019 - 07:47 PM, said:

 

Right, so if WG sell an supposed OP tank for example LeFH, Defender or E25 then players will and are the first to use these forums to complain. 

 

Then WG make a medium difficulty marathon for a not-OP tank and the same players still complain how "rubbish" the tank is.

 

WG are giving what the players want and they want OP tanks.

 

How about if WG never released e25, defender and lefh in the first place? How about if WG kept to the rule that premiums have to be inferior to the tech tree counterparts and a tank like the TS-5 would be right where its supposed to be. Under these circumstances I would not whine. But wargaming are a bunch of greedy bastards who are willing to kill the balance of their game for a few bucks.

Japualtah #20 Posted 09 April 2019 - 09:30 PM

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TS-5 is perfect.

 

Exactly like what tanks should be.

 

Judging by overpowered tanks is the worst you can do for this game, I witnessed all my premiums going obsolete over the years: ENOUGH or REFUND!

 

TS-5 design is the right way to go.

And the DPM, boy!


Edited by Japualtah, 09 April 2019 - 09:31 PM.





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