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Poll: Premium Account (98 members have cast votes)

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Do you believe there should be a Standard equivalent for the WoT PA benefits?

  1. Yes, indeed. (28 votes [28.57%])

    Percentage of vote: 28.57%

  2. No, not at all. (54 votes [55.10%])

    Percentage of vote: 55.10%

  3. Hard to say. (16 votes [16.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 16.33%

If so, which? (some are already provided for both. In that case, please, cast a vote on what should be improved for F2P accounts instead)at

  1. Map blocking (26 votes [21.49%])

    Percentage of vote: 21.49%

  2. Missions (12 votes [9.92%])

    Percentage of vote: 9.92%

  3. Platoon bonus (8 votes [6.61%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.61%

  4. Reserve Stock (5 votes [4.13%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.13%

  5. Flexible Experience Bonus (11 votes [9.09%])

    Percentage of vote: 9.09%

  6. None, I have voted "NO" on the previous (51 votes [42.15%])

    Percentage of vote: 42.15%

  7. Hard to say (8 votes [6.61%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.61%

Finally, assuming all proposed changes go live, do you believe this sets players further apart (standard X premium)?

  1. Yes, absolutely (22 votes [22.45%])

    Percentage of vote: 22.45%

  2. In some fields, it does (36 votes [36.73%])

    Percentage of vote: 36.73%

  3. No, not at all (31 votes [31.63%])

    Percentage of vote: 31.63%

  4. Hard to say (9 votes [9.18%])

    Percentage of vote: 9.18%

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Cannes76 #21 Posted 10 April 2019 - 11:31 AM

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View PostCobra6, on 10 April 2019 - 10:44 AM, said:

I don't like map exclusions at all, while it's annoying for you to spawn on a city map in a light and on an open map in a heavy, for other players it's a blessing. The system evens everything out in the end.

 

Just imagine all the lights excluding city maps and heavies excluding open maps. You'd get Prokh filled with lights so goodbye to spotting damage and city maps filled with only heavy armor which means it ends in a boring camp-fest for everyone.

 

At first map exclusion might seem like a good idea but it will not benefit general gameplay as a whole at all, it will actually make it worse.

 

Cobra 6

 

I don't agree with this. The maps I will exclude are not because they are open or closed or some such. I will exclude them because they are badly designed.

BSHDBCG #22 Posted 10 April 2019 - 11:44 AM

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View PostCannes76, on 10 April 2019 - 11:31 AM, said:

 

I don't agree with this. The maps I will exclude are not because they are open or closed or some such. I will exclude them because they are badly designed.

 

You will most likely be a minority of those bloking maps, as people will surely try to blok maps to increase their chances of an impact in a game.

Signal11th #23 Posted 10 April 2019 - 11:50 AM

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View PostDel059, on 10 April 2019 - 08:54 AM, said:

As it prevents me from enjoying my current premium account on WoWS or if I keep them WG expect me to pay twice for these new benefits, this looks like a simple money grab to me.

 

It doesn't prevent you at all, the old way of doing things carries on, it's just if you specialise in a WOT account you get more. Works great for me, I don't play the others so I only get more for my money so to speak.

Del059 #24 Posted 10 April 2019 - 12:20 PM

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View PostSignal11th, on 10 April 2019 - 11:50 AM, said:

 

It doesn't prevent you at all, the old way of doing things carries on, it's just if you specialise in a WOT account you get more. Works great for me, I don't play the others so I only get more for my money so to speak.

 

Congratulations you don't play the other game so it doesn't impact you... out comes your memememe attitude eh? I will have to pay the same as you for my premium time and get less in WoT than you, or lose my premium time in WoWS, or have to pay twice.

 

So yes I will now get a worse service in WoT to keep what I have now whilst paying the same as others, It's a cash grab pure and simple



Rati_Festa #25 Posted 10 April 2019 - 12:41 PM

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I don't play the other 2 games either I get sea sick and I'm scared of flying, so they never appealled to me :) I'm very pleased with these account changes.

 

These are really positive changes for paying customers, a great move by WG and should be applauded. They offer no advantage in the battles but are a real incentive if you like playing to put some money in the pot, its only £10 a month people.... it's literally 2 pints of beer. Just pay up and get the good stuff.

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View PostDel059, on 10 April 2019 - 12:20 PM, said:

 

 

So yes I will now get a worse service in WoT to keep what I have now whilst paying the same as others, It's a cash grab pure and simple

 

In what way are you getting a worse service than you have now? Nothing is changing on the standard account.



Quint_Gen #26 Posted 10 April 2019 - 12:54 PM

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View Postmjs_89, on 10 April 2019 - 04:06 AM, said:

I don't see anything wrong with the coming changes. At the very least it should encourage more people to buy premium time wich means more profit for WG and a decresed need to sell new OP tanks every week.

The way I see it, the new premium account is a way to monetize the game without breaking it further. That should definitely be the way to go, add fancy skins and other cosmetic stuff and we're golden.

 

As for the freeloaders - they already get a lot of freebies anyways, especially since the "rewards for merit" were introduced. Really no need to give them any of the new premium features imo.

A very good point.

 

View PostDel059, on 10 April 2019 - 09:54 AM, said:

As it prevents me from enjoying my current premium account on WoWS or if I keep them WG expect me to pay twice for these new benefits, this looks like a simple money grab to me.

No. You pay once for the new benefits (but you need to pay for old benefits too). If I read point 4 correctly it means you can still get the old benefits for WOT. https://worldoftanks...t-prem-account/

 

View PostRati_Festa, on 10 April 2019 - 12:41 PM, said:

I don't play the other 2 games either I get sea sick and I'm scared of flying, so they never appealled to me :) I'm very pleased with these account changes.

 

These are really positive changes for paying customers, a great move by WG and should be applauded. They offer no advantage in the battles but are a real incentive if you like playing to put some money in the pot, its only £10 a month people.... it's literally 2 pints of beer. Just pay up and get the good stuff.

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In what way are you getting a worse service than you have now? Nothing is changing on the standard account.

 

Not only is the standard account not changing, I don't think the old premium is changing either.



jimbobjammybob #27 Posted 10 April 2019 - 01:10 PM

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View PostSignal11th, on 10 April 2019 - 08:54 AM, said:

 

No those are there whether or not you exist at all.

 

Do you see what we achieved here? it is subtle but rather profound!

Del059 #28 Posted 10 April 2019 - 01:49 PM

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View PostRati_Festa, on 10 April 2019 - 12:41 PM, said:

I don't play the other 2 games either I get sea sick and I'm scared of flying, so they never appealled to me :) I'm very pleased with these account changes.

 

These are really positive changes for paying customers, a great move by WG and should be applauded. They offer no advantage in the battles but are a real incentive if you like playing to put some money in the pot, its only £10 a month people.... it's literally 2 pints of beer. Just pay up and get the good stuff.

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In what way are you getting a worse service than you have now? Nothing is changing on the standard account. 

 

If you ignore the point that I will get a worse service than others paying the same for WoT premium, I won't be able to buy my WG premium in game for gold, that is certainly a change.

 

 

View PostQuint_Gen, on 10 April 2019 - 12:54 PM, said:

……...

 

No. You pay once for the new benefits (but you need to pay for old benefits too). If I read point 4 correctly it means you can still get the old benefits for WOT. https://worldoftanks...t-prem-account/

 

 

Not only is the standard account not changing, I don't think the old premium is changing either.

 

This is only at the time of transfer.

Edited by Del059, 10 April 2019 - 01:51 PM.


Signal11th #29 Posted 10 April 2019 - 01:52 PM

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View PostDel059, on 10 April 2019 - 11:20 AM, said:

 

Congratulations you don't play the other game so it doesn't impact you... out comes your memememe attitude eh? I will have to pay the same as you for my premium time and get less in WoT than you, or lose my premium time in WoWS, or have to pay twice.

 

So yes I will now get a worse service in WoT to keep what I have now whilst paying the same as others, It's a cash grab pure and simple

 

No you get exactly the same as before, you just don't get the extras that you wouldn't get regardless. As for the MEMEME attitude you're the one crying about how you want something extra for nothing do you actually understand what you write?
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View Postjimbobjammybob, on 10 April 2019 - 12:10 PM, said:

 

Do you see what we achieved here? it is subtle but rather profound!

 

Yes the same thing as 99% of the posts on the forum..... nothing.

Edited by Signal11th, 10 April 2019 - 01:53 PM.


Del059 #30 Posted 10 April 2019 - 01:58 PM

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View PostSignal11th, on 10 April 2019 - 01:52 PM, said:

 

No you get exactly the same as before, you just don't get the extras that you wouldn't get regardless. As for the MEMEME attitude you're the one crying about how you want something extra for nothing do you actually understand what you write?
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Yes the same thing as 99% of the posts on the forum..... nothing.

 

Yes I do understand. I understand that WG said they were going to 'improve' Premium time when what they did do was provide a new type of Premium time that you could pay for, otherwise you can retain the current type of Premium but pay for it in cash only, not for gold like you can currently. 



shane73tank #31 Posted 10 April 2019 - 02:08 PM

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View PostDel059, on 10 April 2019 - 12:58 PM, said:

 

Yes I do understand. I understand that WG said they were going to 'improve' Premium time when what they did do was provide a new type of Premium time that you could pay for, otherwise you can retain the current type of Premium but pay for it in cash only, not for gold like you can currently. 

 

One of the first lines on the website states that the cost is still the same i.e. 250 Gold, where did it say cash only ? 

 

As for the rest of your post, I think perhaps excluding an extra  map might be problematic for the matchmaker but I dont see how anything else is more pay to win ? It's more pay to do stuff quicker which is what it's always been - whats the point in spending on a premium account if you dont get anything ? 

 

I've no interest in a barney but seriously dude of course it sets players further apart it does not however impact on the actual events in a game that determine the outcome when 30 players press battle - that is still and always will be decided upon the team with the most Russian tanks   Skill

 

BTW - If they really wanted a cash grab they would  allow you to limit the number of Arties in your game 

 



Quint_Gen #32 Posted 10 April 2019 - 02:11 PM

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View PostDel059, on 10 April 2019 - 01:49 PM, said:

This is only at the time of transfer.

 

Very confidently stated. You may be right but this is what Wargaming actually say:

"

4. What will happen to the regular Premium Account that is valid for the entire Wargaming trilogy?

Regular Premium Account, which works throughout the trilogy, will still be available. However, once WoT Premium Account launches, regular Premium Account will not be available for Gold within the game. Instead, regular Premium Account will be purchasable in the launcher and in the main menu for real money. In such a case, the regular Premium Account will be used in all three games in the trilogy."

 

What this actually means is that there are two types of premium. One is the orginal and works with all three games and the only change is that you can't buy it for gold in-game. The other has better rewards and can only be bought/used in WOT.



Signal11th #33 Posted 10 April 2019 - 02:13 PM

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View PostDel059, on 10 April 2019 - 12:58 PM, said:

 

Yes I do understand. I understand that WG said they were going to 'improve' Premium time when what they did do was provide a new type of Premium time that you could pay for, otherwise you can retain the current type of Premium but pay for it in cash only, not for gold like you can currently. 

 

Basically all they are doing is giving you the option of either keeping things at the status quo or coverting your existing prem account into a WOT only account which you can pay for in exactly the same way. The difference between the two is if you keep it as the generic across all platforms method nothing changes but if you turn it into WOT only, you can't share across game platforms but you get extra credit/xp/mission bonuses the old method account don't get. You will get the choice of either keeping the account the old way or converting it to the new one. 

pecopad #34 Posted 10 April 2019 - 02:36 PM

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Without people paying, this game will die.

 

Stop with this F2P crap.



Del059 #35 Posted 10 April 2019 - 03:01 PM

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View PostSignal11th, on 10 April 2019 - 02:13 PM, said:

 

Basically all they are doing is giving you the option of either keeping things at the status quo or coverting your existing prem account into a WOT only account which you can pay for in exactly the same way. The difference between the two is if you keep it as the generic across all platforms method nothing changes but if you turn it into WOT only, you can't share across game platforms but you get extra credit/xp/mission bonuses the old method account don't get. You will get the choice of either keeping the account the old way or converting it to the new one. 

 

Nope not true. At the time of transfer if you have 100 days premium you will get 100 days WoT premium and 100 days WG premium. From then on you can buy either,or both. However if you chose to buy WG Premium you cannot pay for it with gold, as you can do now, as it says in Q&A question 4. Therefore the 'new' WG Premium is not as good as it is currently because I will no longer be able to use gold from loot boxes to buy it.

SaintMaddenus #36 Posted 10 April 2019 - 03:10 PM

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Sounds interesting as a mostly FTP player.     I'd like to know which maps people exclude most.   Premium account does not necessarily mean better players, just more prem-ammo spam.   I may become even more aggressive on maps I know premium accounts don't like  :teethhappy:

Balc0ra #37 Posted 10 April 2019 - 03:38 PM

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View PostRilleta, on 09 April 2019 - 10:36 PM, said:

Overall...

 

I feel F2P, which are also a part of the playerbase are being left out on several things that they should have access to, instead of having to give up 10€/mo to benefit from them as well.

 

It is Free2Win and Pay2Progress[faster] but increasing the rift between both sides certainly isn't gonna tick a lot of people. And once more, we bear witness to another great idea, that is poorly implemented.

I say so because things tend to remain the same accoss several iterations even though there are claimed changes to be introduced later on. This will hardly be any different.

 

Keep in mind the old premium account was pay 2 progress to before in the same way. It was just seen as pointless after Personal reserves came that gave more then the 50% bonus premuim gave. Thus f2p players could get 100%, vs the 50% extra without paying. But get bonuses by playing alone. Thus less and less bought it. It needed something to appeal to most again. And missions and platoon XP I suspect would not do that alone.

 

The piggy bank is more poinltess then good. Even for f2p players if it was added as a lower version. They need the money now, not 7 days later when the sale has ended. And I doubt a 2nd map for 4 hours will break anything. There are more then 2 urban maps, just as there are more then two open maps. And not everoyne will pick the same two every 4 hours so you only see HT's on Himmels. I doubt it will be that bad. It's not like meds and TD's will do the same so only HT's will get there. And most lights will only pick Paris, Ensk, Ruinberg or Himmels etc. So I dbout it will have the impact most think. And I suspect most, even with 2 will leave both blank more so then used. As with most new stuff that's off by default in the settings. I suspect most won't even know it's there to begin with.

 

The flexible experience is not on the daily 2X that most have asked for. But rather a limited use option on the side, or to stack with the 2x. Not for every daily you do, or for every tank you play. And since they are limited use, as in 5 a day iirc. I see no issue with it, vs if it was on every single daily you did and it did stack

 


Edited by Balc0ra, 10 April 2019 - 03:39 PM.


Sorata_ #38 Posted 10 April 2019 - 03:51 PM

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I think some perspective is needed. Free to play players already get FULL access to the game for free. There is no human right to have access to WoT. There is nothing wrong with giving the paying players some macro advantage in terms of XP and credit gains. Without paying players, there would be no WoT.



jimbobjammybob #39 Posted 10 April 2019 - 03:56 PM

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View PostSignal11th, on 10 April 2019 - 01:52 PM, said:

 

No you get exactly the same as before, you just don't get the extras that you wouldn't get regardless. As for the MEMEME attitude you're the one crying about how you want something extra for nothing do you actually understand what you write?
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Yes the same thing as 99% of the posts on the forum..... nothing.

 

I then not 'we'.



mjs_89 #40 Posted 10 April 2019 - 04:02 PM

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View PostDel059, on 10 April 2019 - 01:49 PM, said:

 

If you ignore the point that I will get a worse service than others paying the same for WoT premium, I won't be able to buy my WG premium in game for gold, that is certainly a change.

 

Since Tanks and Warplanes share the same gold pool just log into Warplanes and by the standard premium time there. Problem solved...

 

As for the "worse service", one could argue that standard premium gives "better service" for Warplanes and Warships.







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