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lnfernaI #1 Posted 09 April 2019 - 10:55 PM

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Whine all you want,you 40-50 WR Edited,the game simply isn't that way.

All the things you can use to increase your overall stats are available for free to everyone if you are dedicated. Buying gold (Literally) doesn't inflate stats.


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One questions the wisdom or necessity in starting yet another thread about this.

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spamhamstar #4 Posted 09 April 2019 - 11:20 PM

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View PostlnfernaI, on 09 April 2019 - 09:55 PM, said:

Whine all you want,you 40-50 WR Edited,the game simply isn't that way.

All the things you can use to increase your overall stats are available for free to everyone if you are dedicated. Buying gold (Literally) doesn't inflate stats.

 

So if you make 2 new accounts tomorrow.  Use 1 of them completely free to play & only bought premium account for the 2nd account.  Which account do you think would be performing better after a statistically significant number of battles if everything else remained the same?

 

Alternatively use a premium tank of your choice on the 2nd account instead of premium account.  The answers still the same.

 

Now make a 3rd account & buy prem account, prem tanks, anything else that's shiny & in the prem shop.  Then compare the stats on this account to any of the ones above.

 

So while you suggest that these purchases only allow players to reach their goals quicker, they can also do so more effectively when compared to FTP players meaning that statistically they'll be better off as well.  They'll have better crews/equipment/tanks etc quicker, meaning they'll benefit from them sooner which should be translated into their results sooner for longer.  Meaning, because they've paid, they've probably won more.


Edited by Asklepi0s, 10 April 2019 - 09:28 AM.


vasilinhorulezz #5 Posted 09 April 2019 - 11:23 PM

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View Postqpranger, on 09 April 2019 - 11:00 PM, said:

Do not like.

 

Ooh, come on.

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View PostlnfernaI, on 09 April 2019 - 09:55 PM, said:

Whine all you want,you 40-50 WR Edited,the game simply isn't that way.

All the things you can use to increase your overall stats are available for free to everyone if you are dedicated. Buying gold (Literally) doesn't inflate stats.

 

I often wonder why people complain about P2W as much as arties, MM, gold ammo, etc. Everything is available to everyone. All tools are the same. Personal skill is the deciding factor, like a certain 121 lover would know... ;)

 

WoT is, and has always been Pay 2 Progress faster, which really should be.

 

PS.: I'm a 50%er but by no means an ape. No problem either way as I took no offence (I'll give you 2K gold if you actually manage to upset me).


Edited by Asklepi0s, 10 April 2019 - 09:29 AM.


jack_timber #7 Posted 09 April 2019 - 11:32 PM

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View PostlnfernaI, on 09 April 2019 - 09:55 PM, said:

Buying gold (Literally) doesn't inflate stats.

Yes I am living proof of that....:)



Zoltan1251 #8 Posted 09 April 2019 - 11:38 PM

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thank you!!!!!!!..... its not pay to win no matter how many people is crying about it.... there are going to be missions for bonds with PA and community is again overreacting like its the end of the world... only the best players using bond equipment anyways and they are crying just as much.... they should take a look at themselves first

i was affraid of wheeled the most and they are fine.... 

Balc0ra #9 Posted 09 April 2019 - 11:54 PM

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View PostlnfernaI, on 09 April 2019 - 10:55 PM, said:

Whine all you want,you 40-50 WR Edited,the game simply isn't that way.

All the things you can use to increase your overall stats are available for free to everyone if you are dedicated. Buying gold (Literally) doesn't inflate stats.

 

A pure p2w game? No. But pay 2 make it easier? Yes def in some cases. As it's not like a guy with zero experience in the game can buy the Defender and get a 60% WR after 100 games in it. It's forgiving, but you need enemies that are equally bad, fresh or unknowledgeable to dominate in it every game. As for gold ammo? Well it's for silver only, it's available to everyone. Even free players can afford to press 2 now and then to get out of a bad spot. As there it's more on new vs old players then a pure p2w issue. As new players can't afford that much of it vs one that has 30 million and no new tanks to spend it on. 

Edited by Asklepi0s, 10 April 2019 - 09:29 AM.


Toni112007 #10 Posted 10 April 2019 - 12:08 AM

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How is it that broken tank like Defender (which dominates any tier 8 standard heavy) which you can only buy with money isn't p2w? You are paying to have advantage over the others. So, tell me how isn't that p2w? And thats just one example.


Edited by Toni112007, 10 April 2019 - 12:09 AM.


xx984 #11 Posted 10 April 2019 - 12:10 AM

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i agree.

 

Plus buying a defender doesn't automatically make it a win, you still need to actually go to the right place and use the strengths of the tank to get a good result 



Toni112007 #12 Posted 10 April 2019 - 12:11 AM

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View Postxx984, on 10 April 2019 - 12:10 AM, said:

i agree.

 

Plus buying a defender doesn't automatically make it a win, you still need to actually go to the right place and use the strengths of the tank to get a good result 

If a premium tank has an advantage in strength over tanks which you can get in the tech tree (without spending money) then its p2w.


Edited by Toni112007, 10 April 2019 - 12:14 AM.


Balc0ra #13 Posted 10 April 2019 - 12:14 AM

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View PostToni112007, on 10 April 2019 - 12:08 AM, said:

How is it that broken tank like Defender (which dominates any tier 8 standard heavy) which you can only buy with money isn't p2w? You are paying to have advantage over the others. So, tell me how isn't that p2w? And thats just one example.

 

Unless you are suggesting a new player with zero map skill can get 60% WR in it all day. Then no it's not. Tank will only get you that far, bad players you face, knowing where to go in it and how to use its strengths and not push into an area you can do as well in is the 2nd part of it. And you can't buy that. A forgiving tank alone will only get you that far. It's broken and strong, no one is arguing against that. But still. It's not gonna make every 45% player dominate with it is it? 

Bucifel #14 Posted 10 April 2019 - 12:14 AM

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that means you have no idea what really p2w or f2p means ;)

 

just search a bit and maybe you will understand...just MAYBE 

 

if not, dont bother too much...just play how you want and what you like...time will answer to your dilemmas anyway...just wait 

 

btw. you choosed that title very good....its unpopular opinion :) But just think a bit why?

Probably there are good reasons why this opinion is unpopular...


Edited by Bucifel, 10 April 2019 - 12:21 AM.


Toni112007 #15 Posted 10 April 2019 - 12:17 AM

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View PostBalc0ra, on 10 April 2019 - 12:14 AM, said:

 

Unless you are suggesting a new player with zero map skill can get 60% WR in it all day. Then no it's not. Tank will only get you that far, bad players you face, knowing where to go in it and how to use its strengths and not push into an area you can do as well in is the 2nd part of it. And you can't buy that. A forgiving tank alone will only get you that far. It's broken and strong, no one is arguing against that. But still. It's not gonna make every 45% player dominate with it is it? 

 

That isn't a good example. Because good players are gonna perform good (agains bad players) even in garbage tanks. If you want real example then answer me this. Who would win in a duel in equally skilled player who is f2p and in his fancy Tiger II or a guy in his Russia da da da Defender? So, the point is that even tho the game can be fun experience to a f2p player I have to say the game does have some p2w elements.


Edited by Toni112007, 10 April 2019 - 01:11 AM.


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View PostToni112007, on 09 April 2019 - 11:17 PM, said:

 

That isn't a good example. Because good players are gonna perform good even in garbage tanks. If you want real example then answer me this. Who would win in a duel in equal skilled player who is f2p and in his fancy Tiger II or a guy in his Russia da da da Defender?

 

Easy. The guy playing the Russian tank because soviet bias :P:teethhappy:


Edited by mariosraiders, 10 April 2019 - 12:19 AM.


kaneloon #17 Posted 10 April 2019 - 01:16 AM

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The premium account is "pay to win more".

 

You have an obvious % WR boost by using :

- a better crew

- ammo that goes faster and pens more

- run big kits, have another BIA with food

- you can spam best and costy tanks without having to use low tiers tanks to make money

- you can equip your tanks faster, ...

 

But it's ok, it's the deal - nothing to be ashamed of hide.



Bucifel #18 Posted 10 April 2019 - 01:32 AM

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View Postkaneloon, on 10 April 2019 - 01:16 AM, said:

The premium account is "pay to win more".

 

You have an obvious % WR boost by using :

- a better crew

- ammo that goes faster and pens more

- run big kits, have another BIA with food

- you can spam best and costy tanks without having to use low tiers tanks to make money

- you can equip your tanks faster, ...

 

But it's ok, it's the deal - nothing to be ashamed of hide.

 

there are only 2 problematic things

ammo and kits

 

others are just like you say...pay to progress faster

so as a f2p player you can also get them and benefit without any disadvantage once you achieve them, so its just a time difference. You simply can catch up those paying players.

 

but those 2...are different story

its not like you got them and are on par with p2w palyers...here you need to achieve them CONSTANTLY while p2w players have them without effort.

So time requirement difference here is basically infinite. And that makes them p2w.

here you CANT catch up those paying palyers anymore...



lnfernaI #19 Posted 10 April 2019 - 06:17 AM

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View Postspamhamstar, on 10 April 2019 - 12:20 AM, said:

 

So if you make 2 new accounts tomorrow.  Use 1 of them completely free to play & only bought premium account for the 2nd account.  Which account do you think would be performing better after a statistically significant number of battles if everything else remained the same?

 

Alternatively use a premium tank of your choice on the 2nd account instead of premium account.  The answers still the same.

 

Now make a 3rd account & buy prem account, prem tanks, anything else that's shiny & in the prem shop.  Then compare the stats on this account to any of the ones above.

 

So while you suggest that these purchases only allow players to reach their goals quicker, they can also do so more effectively when compared to FTP players meaning that statistically they'll be better off as well.  They'll have better crews/equipment/tanks etc quicker, meaning they'll benefit from them sooner which should be translated into their results sooner for longer.  Meaning, because they've paid, they've probably won more.

Any advantages in a 15v15 battle have practically no effect,unless we're talking about 1v1.

I would still perform good in any single account,because I have game knowledge. You can't buy knowledge.

 

View PostRilleta, on 10 April 2019 - 12:26 AM, said:

 

I often wonder why people complain about P2W as much as arties, MM, gold ammo, etc. Everything is available to everyone. All tools are the same. Personal skill is the deciding factor, like a certain 121 lover would know... ;)

 

WoT is, and has always been Pay 2 Progress faster, which really should be.

 

PS.: I'm a 50%er but by no means an ape. No problem either way as I took no offence (I'll give you 2K gold if you actually manage to upset me).

 

Personal skill is indeed the main thing - game sense and situational awareness are critical in WoT. It almost doesn't matter which tanks are being played.

Yes,pay 2 progress,not not pay 2 win and inflate your winrate.

 

View PostBalc0ra, on 10 April 2019 - 12:54 AM, said:

 

A pure p2w game? No. But pay 2 make it easier? Yes def in some cases. As it's not like a guy with zero experience in the game can buy the Defender and get a 60% WR after 100 games in it. It's forgiving, but you need enemies that are equally bad, fresh or unknowledgeable to dominate in it every game. As for gold ammo? Well it's for silver only, it's available to everyone. Even free players can afford to press 2 now and then to get out of a bad spot. As there it's more on new vs old players then a pure p2w issue. As new players can't afford that much of it vs one that has 30 million and no new tanks to spend it on. 

 

Thanks for this crystal clear input,sounds much better.

 

View PostToni112007, on 10 April 2019 - 01:08 AM, said:

How is it that broken tank like Defender (which dominates any tier 8 standard heavy) which you can only buy with money isn't p2w? You are paying to have advantage over the others. So, tell me how isn't that p2w? And thats just one example.

 

It isn't broken,just OP up-close. Gets pretty weak at distance. Even this tank requires braaaaaaaaaaaaaaaains....... oh wait,it's idiot-proof isn't it... 

 

View PostBucifel, on 10 April 2019 - 01:14 AM, said:

btw. you choosed that title very good....its unpopular opinion :) But just think a bit why?

Probably there are good reasons why this opinion is unpopular...

 

Because practically nobody, who is actually good at the game, never complains about these things as a grown-up,mature person.

 

View Postkaneloon, on 10 April 2019 - 02:16 AM, said:

You have an obvious % WR boost by using :

- a better crew

- ammo that goes faster and pens more

- run big kits, have another BIA with food

- you can spam best and costy tanks without having to use low tiers tanks to make money

- you can equip your tanks faster, ...

 

Oh I'm sure I bought all of these things with my physical money. And they impact random and grand battles so much,that my WR is about to go explode!

 

View PostBucifel, on 10 April 2019 - 02:32 AM, said:

here you CANT catch up those paying palyers anymore...

You actually can. Want to know how? It's a secret that many players of this game don't see as possible.

 

 


Edited by lnfernaI, 10 April 2019 - 06:23 AM.


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Infernal, do you run a premium account most of the time?




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