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vuque #1 Posted 10 April 2019 - 01:44 PM

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Please leave your feedback on New Swedish Medium Tanks for Public Test 1.5, and remember to remain on-topic and constructive. 

 

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remiska #2 Posted 11 April 2019 - 07:15 PM

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Person who balanced these tanks is not the brightest

Slow tank (relatively) with no armor, good camo, terrible accuracy and rear mounted turret

You can't play frontline coz armored tanks will destroy it, cant snipe coz you wont hit anything, cant take agressive possition coz youre too slow

what is the role of this tank?


Edited by remiska, 11 April 2019 - 07:17 PM.


Weak_man #3 Posted 11 April 2019 - 07:23 PM

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I played some games with tier x, interesting play style.

These mediums will be king of the hill in some situations



SlyMeerkat #4 Posted 11 April 2019 - 09:55 PM

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Really looking forward to this lot

TC4E #5 Posted 12 April 2019 - 06:55 AM

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I’ve played only a few battles with the tier 8 and 10 tanks and here are my first comments: 

 

First impression about tier 8...it looks like a good tank but i'll have to play it on the regular server where not everyone is spamming gold shells. Played it with just 100% crew without any skills e.c.t and enjoyed it. The only noticeable thing up till now is the lack of mobility in terms of top speed and agility, and the way the hydro suspension works on the limits of the gun depression but I’ll have to test it more to be sure.  

 

The tier 10 tank? WHAT A BEAST AND A BEAUTY!!! Not the fastest out there but moves like a snake. Armor feels okish for a tier 10 medium, the gun is great and the camo too. I really loved the squeaky sound of the shell loading...it’s awesome. 

 

I’ve almost unlocked the Emil so after the Tier 8 heavy buff it will be really difficult to decide but my bet is I will follow the medium line. 

 

About the tier 9 one...Haven’t played it yet but in a match with my Mauschen i shot it 2 times with regular ammo in really close range in the front of the hull (i was a bit above him) and bounced both shots!!!!!!!!!

 

The tanks can be played aggressively in the front line when terrain provides cover and you can benefit of  the gun depression but I think that I’ll use them mostly as mid range “medium TD’s.”



VarzA #6 Posted 12 April 2019 - 11:47 AM

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QB has a review up for the t10 ... and i am looking there ... why in God's name would anyone grind the 121 ?

 



FatigueGalaxy #7 Posted 12 April 2019 - 11:55 AM

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Tier 9 looks disappointing. It's your average tier 9 med with 390 alpha, except it has siege mode gimmick. Tier 8 and 10 have higher alphas so they can take big chunks of HP from their opponents from advantageous position. I'm just afraid that siege mode alone is not enough to make this tank competitive compared to other 390 alpha mediums. AMX 30 is fast and has monster DPM, Cent 7/1 has armour and gun depression, E 50 has laser gun and armour, M46 has DPM and gun depression, Leo PTA has speed and laser gun, etc.

UDES 16 has siege mode - that's all. Sure, you are practically invulnerable when using it (until arty or japanese heavies show up) but I think that's not enough.

 

btw. this new siege mode should be introduced to swedish TDs too. Meds don't have to wait to enter siege mode and they have turrets - swedish TDs have siege mode on timer and they need it to aim at all...

 

View PostVarzA, on 12 April 2019 - 11:47 AM, said:

why in God's name would anyone grind the 121 ?

 

121 is obsolete since 430U came out and even before it wasn't competitive. The whole tech tree is just bad. So I don't think new tanks change anything in this regard.

 

 



AlphaWolf89 #8 Posted 12 April 2019 - 02:16 PM

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Played all of them a couple of times.New suspension mechanic is good. Maybe it should be like that on the TD's as well. I think that the camo is too good.

DamirBP #9 Posted 12 April 2019 - 05:35 PM

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Didnt play all new swedish mediums but tier 10 is [edited]op when in hull down position .. make upper plate pennable NOT WITH JUST HEAT but with all kind of ammo .. 

TacPenguin #10 Posted 12 April 2019 - 06:19 PM

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So just another reason for the billy Bobs just to LOAD gold and spam away.

 

Not for me

 

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Cpt_Phantom #11 Posted 12 April 2019 - 07:23 PM

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This comments are so funny.The tier X is just another stupid tank what you can't penetrate when is hull down.That tank needs a weakspot on the turret and it's possible.

ToodlePips #12 Posted 12 April 2019 - 10:01 PM

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View PostCpt_Phantom, on 12 April 2019 - 06:23 PM, said:

This comments are so funny.The tier X is just another stupid tank what you can't penetrate when is hull down.That tank needs a weakspot on the turret and it's possible.

 

Yup, looks it. If a hull-down Conqueror and a hull-down tier X UDES medium meet, they can probably fire at each other all day *yawn*

ExistanceUK #13 Posted 13 April 2019 - 06:48 PM

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My feedback:

 

Tier 8 is fine you miss out on the armour gimmick but that's it, otherwise it's fine. 

 

Tier 10 is fine as well, it's decent it gives up in some areas of the gun without too compromise, just please get rid of those ulgy bins at the back or at least not make them part of the armour model. 

 

Tier 9 is not good, the gun is just terrible, why does it have such low pen for such low DPM? It doesn't get great gun handling so why does it have both bad DPM and bad pen it doesn't make sense. My preferred suggestion would be that it keeps the low DPM (for context it's the same DPM as the Leo PTA) but gets buffed pen, nothing crazy just to the levels of the AMX30 (and yes have HEAT rounds for specials), so 250/300 should be fine and balanced. 

 

 

 


Edited by ExistanceUK, 13 April 2019 - 06:49 PM.


Gkirmathal #14 Posted 13 April 2019 - 07:08 PM

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A thought I had about a game balance thing: the difference in performance increases between the new tier 8, the t7 Leo and the preceding t6. On stats like gun handling, like aim time and dispersion and DPM.

 

The tier 7 shows, as with many tier 7 tanks, a downward progression grade in performance between the preceding tier 6 and this new upcoming tier 8.

The only tier 7 content that IMO does not show such segmentation is the Italian P43.Ter.

The reason for this is: it was released, as balanced part within a whole fully populated new branch and thus was balanced properly to fit within that whole branch.

 

Too often we seen new content being introduced half way within an existing tech tree and that new new content of course is being developed by WG development teams with their current understanding/vision of the what is balanced (or the meta) for new content.

More often than not this IMO leads to mismatchings in the progression of performance between preceding tiers (or equal tiers) in the existing content. Content that has not actively been kept current within the product's content evolution.

 

I can wish all I want, have been doing that for years, but I do hope some day WG will recognize that they should be more proactive and quicker on their feet in terms of content balancing in regards to already existing content.

 

As for these tanks, they do seem okay balanced and not stand out too much. But only the live environment will be the one indicator whether that will be actually true.

And that where this comes in again: "more proactive and quicker on their feet in terms of content balancing in regards to already existing content."



sokolicc #15 Posted 15 April 2019 - 12:32 PM

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What will be drawback of siege mode? Or it is just straight out better than any other tank regarding hull down? And yes, you can take metric ton of hull down positions. Is that cupola weakspot at least? Or we're getting tanks that have IS-7 like turret but with monster gun depression of 13°...

ExistanceUK #16 Posted 15 April 2019 - 03:19 PM

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View Postsokolicc, on 15 April 2019 - 12:32 PM, said:

What will be drawback of siege mode? Or it is just straight out better than any other tank regarding hull down? And yes, you can take metric ton of hull down positions. Is that cupola weakspot at least? Or we're getting tanks that have IS-7 like turret but with monster gun depression of 13°...

 

The cupola is indeed a weakspot on the tier 10, as is the gun to some extent if they are giving you the right angle. 

 

Also you cannot get the tank to stay elevated in the same way as the TDs can, as soon as you are not aiming lower down than your standard gun depression allows the tank automatically resettles itself to level. So you cannot do what the UDES TD can do when you aim down in it to raise your hull up. 

 

 

 



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I like how easy is to set on fire tier 10. Almost every battle I set at least one on fire. This is good balancing factor, because it will punish players when they will not play them correctly and expose their hull.

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View Postsokolicc, on 15 April 2019 - 11:32 AM, said:

What will be drawback of siege mode? Or it is just straight out better than any other tank regarding hull down? And yes, you can take metric ton of hull down positions. Is that cupola weakspot at least? Or we're getting tanks that have IS-7 like turret but with monster gun depression of 13°...

 

The drawback is that at slow speed for brawling : the gun does weird and unexpected things.



Mikus_2001 #19 Posted 18 April 2019 - 11:05 PM

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I think that VIII tier medium should get buff to gun handling (on 105mm) or to its alpha/RoF. also, It should enter siege mode if you under 20km/h, not 10...

mooglechen #20 Posted 18 April 2019 - 11:11 PM

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  • UDES 16: Changed the load capacity of the stock suspension from 30,000 to 30,000 kg

 

best change so far :trollface:





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