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vuque #1 Posted 10 April 2019 - 01:45 PM

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Please leave your feedback on Swedish Heavy Tanks Rebalance for Public Test 1.5, and remember to remain on-topic and constructive. 

 

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Bruecki2938 #2 Posted 11 April 2019 - 08:37 PM

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Useless - as we already told you when you first propose the changes and also put it on the ST!

 

What does more Alpha/DPM bring if your gun CANT HIT A BARN? The gun handling is still utter garbage and the HEAT pen of 300 compared with this "superb" gunhandling is also garbage....

 

The tanks will be still GARBAGE!



Alessandra_Ambrosio #3 Posted 11 April 2019 - 08:47 PM

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more engine power and 2.50 reload not 2.75 for magazine please!!! 


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Homer_J #4 Posted 11 April 2019 - 09:12 PM

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Ah yes, the reason I decided to use my x5 missions on the Emil II and get rid of it before the patch.

 

I can't see that doing an extra 40hp damage per shot makes up for one less shell in the clip when you know one or two of every clip will miss or bounce.



SlyMeerkat #5 Posted 11 April 2019 - 09:56 PM

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Nice

Helldron #6 Posted 11 April 2019 - 10:23 PM

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Gun handling is the main issue and now we have less shell. I dont understand what you guys thinking but i will not play with this tank. Still one of the worst heavy. BTW this is not a buff or rebelance, this is nerf for Kranvagn.

Baleent7 #7 Posted 12 April 2019 - 05:59 AM

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My impressions SO FAR:

 

Emil 1:
Almost nothing has changed, still one of the worst t8 tanks. +170 DPM does not help this vehicle at all, maybe +300 or +400 would. Still can't compare it even to an IS-3, mobility is worse than before, gun handling still trash. It is just so bad... The only thing it is supposed to be good at is ridgeline fighting, but due to the horrendous gun handling and absolutely paper turret side armor, this tank is nothing but a total joke. Just compare it with a defender... Emil can't even penetrate the side of its turret, not to mention the lower frontal plate, while the defender also has more mobility. How is this balanced? WG will need to think a lot about this tank, it is far from finished in it's current form.

 

Emil 2:

A lot better than it was before, but still feels very sluggish. Desperately need more turret rotation speed. The DPM buff kinda compensates for the bad gun handling that is present on all of the swedish heavies, and also, the reload between shells is now less, which helps this vehicle a lot. That little more HP also comes in handy. Overall, it's ok.

 

Kranvagn:

Mostly the same as Emil 2. Nice changes/buffs. Playstyle became somewhat different, but not radically. Feels a lot better to play it now, but it's not Object 260 level OP.



Bryrup1 #8 Posted 12 April 2019 - 09:16 AM

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I really dislike the changes on the Emil 1

The gun handling got worse !!! WHY?? its was bad before and now you make even more crap?

It feels so slow now, It cant move, it cant turn, its mobility overall is really really bad now.

The reload between shells is still way to long !

And the 7 sec. faster clip reload doesn't really matter if you loose 1 shell in the clip, and there is only a 178 DPM increase

 

I think this tank has NOT become better, but it is nerfed, like its really not fun anymore!


Edited by Bryrup1, 12 April 2019 - 09:25 AM.


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The top engine on the Emil I currently has 380 horsepower. So it cannot be dropping by 50 to 380 as you indicate in your post.

 

On Test it is 380, so I guess just an error that should be removed from the post? 

 

Will do playstyle thoughts separately.


Edited by Deprival, 12 April 2019 - 11:50 AM.


Jommeke97 #10 Posted 12 April 2019 - 11:51 AM

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I played the Emil II and kranvagn, they are definitely better then they were, but accuracy at longer distances is still bad, and i tink they need some more engine power or better ground recistance. 

 

overal i like the changes.

 



war4peace #11 Posted 12 April 2019 - 11:59 AM

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Currently grinding the Emil II on the live server. I don't like it at all because the gun is really unreliable. Removing one shell would make it worse. All the gun needed was a quicker aiming time and maybe an ever-so-slightly maximum accuracy increase.

FatigueGalaxy #12 Posted 12 April 2019 - 12:15 PM

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View PostHomer_J, on 11 April 2019 - 09:12 PM, said:

Ah yes, the reason I decided to use my x5 missions on the Emil II and get rid of it before the patch.

 

I can't see that doing an extra 40hp damage per shot makes up for one less shell in the clip when you know one or two of every clip will miss or bounce.

 

View Postwar4peace, on 12 April 2019 - 11:59 AM, said:

Currently grinding the Emil II on the live server. I don't like it at all because the gun is really unreliable. Removing one shell would make it worse. All the gun needed was a quicker aiming time and maybe an ever-so-slightly maximum accuracy increase.

 

You have ~24,5 s reload instead of ~39 s so missing a shot doesn't hurt that much. You also have 440 alpha so even scoring 2 out 3 shells will be a success. Gun handling is still crap but gameplay style changed with faster magazine and clip reload. You can get closer where gun handling and accuracy are smaller problem. Basically, it's a close-range ridge warrior now. You have access to positions which were previously a suicide attempt if enemy rushed you during reload.

 

Same goes for Emil I - except it didn't need mobility nerf.

 

btw. how many times were you able to unload all 4 shells with that awful intra-clip reload? It didn't happen often. Most of the time you use 2 or 3 shells, then go for reload. So you basically lose nothing but gain higher alpha and shorter reload.

French light tanks got a lot better with smaller clips and both Lorraine 40t and Somua SM with their smaller but faster magazines are much better than AMX 50 100. I don't see how this change can make swedish HTs worse.

 



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The bad gun handling and low pen are not likely to change much for the better for these tanks.

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View PostFatigueGalaxy, on 12 April 2019 - 12:15 PM, said:

 

 

French light tanks got a lot better with smaller clips and both Lorraine 40t and Somua SM with their smaller but faster magazines are much better than AMX 50 100. I don't see how this change can make swedish HTs worse.

 

 

I disagree there as well.  The best French light is the 13-57 with it's 8 shell clip.  The others were all better with the bigger clip.  Of course they were also a tier or even two lower but had much the same matchmaking.

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i personally believe that if you dont fix Kranvagns accuracy/dispersion and gun stats you will make this tank even worse than it was and maybe add more hp of damage per shot to compenstate for the 3 shells in the magazine 

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View Postmarios2002, on 12 April 2019 - 02:01 PM, said:

i personally believe that if you dont fix Kranvagns accuracy/dispersion and gun stats you will make this tank even worse than it was and maybe add more hp of damage per shot to compenstate for the 3 shells in the magazine 

 

They did kind of fix that issue, since you got a dpm buff, faster clip reload and unload which means it's not as punishing when you miss a shot. Overall I would say that Kranvagn feels a lot more comfortable to play.

TacPenguin #17 Posted 12 April 2019 - 06:25 PM

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Only played the "buffed"??   Emil 1

 

Still garbage. Awful awful gun handling which is why is sold it without eliteing it.

 

And now it is buffed to have 1 less shell in the mag so on that rare occasion where you caught a tank in the open you have almost no chance of an out right kill.

 

Solution

 

1, FIX the Gun

 

2 Put that 4th shell back in the magazine, Speed up iterclip reload.  3 seconds is far to slow.

 

3. Stop fooling about with engine a rotation and groud resist  just fix the gun already.

 

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Edited by TacPenguin, 12 April 2019 - 06:26 PM.


Plesoiu_Ionut #18 Posted 12 April 2019 - 09:03 PM

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*edited*  


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KanonenVogel19 #19 Posted 13 April 2019 - 12:53 PM

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It's good that you revisit old underperforming (or overperforming) tanks in order to balance them, but I think that most people would agree that the requested buff to the Swedish HTs was gun handling and penetration, not magazine, damage or DMP parameters. Could we please also get a buff to gun handling and more penetration?

LeGujan #20 Posted 13 April 2019 - 07:08 PM

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Hi! Here's what I would personally change to the Emil I:

- engine power - massive increase

- top speed increase

- damage/shot increase to 390 (if not, at least leave the reload as it is < 25 sec > and give it the 4th shell back)

- overall aimtime and dispersion improvements

- view range improvement, at least by 10-20 meters

 

If you really consider the opinion of your player base, I suggest we see those changes in the second iteration!







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