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comi_wolfsbrother #1 Posted 10 April 2019 - 02:43 PM

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Anyone else think this tank need some love from WG ? Since "special ammo" is now the only ammo type for most of the players T 28 Prot lost any advantage it had, now it is big slow box, with pathetic speed and turret stats. Anyone with 220 pen (anything of tier 8 and above) can penetrate you easily, especially since WG made the area around the gun 203 mm tick, whole turret is one large weak spot.

Bucifel #2 Posted 10 April 2019 - 02:45 PM

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wait ammo rebalance and we will see then

 

anyway general answer is NO.

last thing what this game needs are less proper weakpoints



Sfinski #3 Posted 10 April 2019 - 02:45 PM

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Try to not get shot instead of trying to bounce shots. Worked for me.

Balc0ra #4 Posted 10 April 2019 - 02:47 PM

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And you suggest what kind of changes? Turret buff? Side armor buff? The side armor is a US trait. And since the turret can't turn 360. It's an aspect low tiers has to bully. And making that and the front stronger is not gonna help. Even less so when tier 8 still has major balance gaps. As way too many HT's even are on 200 pen or lower. 

pecopad #5 Posted 10 April 2019 - 02:54 PM

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Most Tier 6 and tier VII,and many tier 8's will struggle to pen you, head on. What do you more. You have a Armored tank with a turret without major frontal weakspots that you cannot hide...

 

Have very bad news for you, the tier X has a cupola that is penned by almost all the tanks it faces,and there is noway you can hide it. you should probably stop the grind, or stay in the T30



4nt #6 Posted 10 April 2019 - 03:13 PM

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Haven't really noticed this kind of problem with prot.

8126Jakobsson #7 Posted 10 April 2019 - 03:23 PM

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I thought it was a pretty decent heavy. And that was when it still moved like a proper snail, so I'd probably rank it higher today. 

comi_wolfsbrother #8 Posted 10 April 2019 - 03:50 PM

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View PostBalc0ra, on 10 April 2019 - 02:47 PM, said:

And you suggest what kind of changes? Turret buff? Side armor buff? The side armor is a US trait. And since the turret can't turn 360. It's an aspect low tiers has to bully. And making that and the front stronger is not gonna help. Even less so when tier 8 still has major balance gaps. As way too many HT's even are on 200 pen or lower. 

 

It's like you haven't been playing WoT past 2-3 years, this tank don't see many low tiers battles, yes turret buff so it gets a chance against higher tiers, go to 3D model at tanks gg, whole turret is weak spot, with the exception of the small area around the gun, even there is a circle around the gun that has only 203 mm.
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View Postpecopad, on 10 April 2019 - 02:54 PM, said:

Most Tier 6 and tier VII,and many tier 8's will struggle to pen you, head on. What do you more. You have a Armored tank with a turret without major frontal weakspots that you cannot hide...

 

Have very bad news for you, the tier X has a cupola that is penned by almost all the tanks it faces,and there is noway you can hide it. you should probably stop the grind, or stay in the T30

 

I don't want to be rude, but you have no clue what are you talking, this tank hardly see tier 6 and tier 7, today I played 20 battles, I got only 2 as top tier against tier 7, tier 6 is nowhere to be found, even tough WG made changes to MM. 

No obvious weak spots? You must be joking, you have 2 hatch on top of the turret with only 207 mm, turret on the front is between 207 and 210 mm, anyone switches to gold ammo and you can forget your armor. And that "armor" is the only good thing on this tank, everything else is bellow average compared to most played tier 8,9 and 10 tanks. 



pecopad #9 Posted 10 April 2019 - 04:04 PM

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View Postcomi_wolfsbrother, on 10 April 2019 - 03:50 PM, said:

 

It's like you haven't been playing WoT past 2-3 years, this tank don't see many low tiers battles, yes turret buff so it gets a chance against higher tiers, go to 3D model at tanks gg, whole turret is weak spot, with the exception of the small area around the gun, even there is a circle around the gun that has only 203 mm.
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I don't want to be rude, but you have no clue what are you talking, this tank hardly see tier 6 and tier 7, today I played 20 battles, I got only 2 as top tier against tier 7, tier 6 is nowhere to be found, even tough WG made changes to MM. 

No obvious weak spots? You must be joking, you have 2 hatch on top of the turret with only 207 mm, turret on the front is between 207 and 210 mm, anyone switches to gold ammo and you can forget your armor. And that "armor" is the only good thing on this tank, everything else is bellow average compared to most played tier 8,9 and 10 tanks. 

 

Hatch is small, and gun turret you can hide...

 

MM is not a prot problem alone... actually the MM seams to have improved for tier 8's lately.

 

Its a balanced tier 8, quite OP when you are top tier, and you have the problems all slow armored tanks have when being bottom tier.

Still you have a Turret and a good gun

 

If you don't like the play style, don't blame the tank, used to be much worst when I grinded it, but the speed buff made them Ok to play.


Edited by pecopad, 10 April 2019 - 04:07 PM.


vasilinhorulezz #10 Posted 10 April 2019 - 04:14 PM

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Wiggle your turret, and most importantly, don't reload in front of enemy guns, take cover.

comi_wolfsbrother #11 Posted 10 April 2019 - 04:34 PM

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View Postpecopad, on 10 April 2019 - 04:04 PM, said:

 

Hatch is small, and gun turret you can hide...

 

MM is not a prot problem alone... actually the MM seams to have improved for tier 8's lately.

 

Its a balanced tier 8, quite OP when you are top tier, and you have the problems all slow armored tanks have when being bottom tier.

Still you have a Turret and a good gun

 

If you don't like the play style, don't blame the tank, used to be much worst when I grinded it, but the speed buff made them Ok to play.

View Postpecopad, on 10 April 2019 - 04:04 PM, said:

 

Hatch is small, and gun turret you can hide...

 

MM is not a prot problem alone... actually the MM seams to have improved for tier 8's lately.

 

Its a balanced tier 8, quite OP when you are top tier, and you have the problems all slow armored tanks have when being bottom tier.

Still you have a Turret and a good gun

 

If you don't like the play style, don't blame the tank, used to be much worst when I grinded it, but the speed buff made them Ok to play.

I say it again and again, it's like you have tunel vision, it's all true what you say if you completely ignore the fact that 80% of time you play against tanks that have 220+ penetration, and you don't need to aim hatch on the top of the turret since special (gold) ammo can penetrate anywhere on the turret, even if you wiggle it, if anyone bounces you first time, you can be sure that they switched to gold ammo for the next shot. 



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View Postcomi_wolfsbrother, on 10 April 2019 - 01:43 PM, said:

Anyone else think this tank need some love from WG ? Since "special ammo" is now the only ammo type for most of the players T 28 Prot lost any advantage it had, now it is big slow box, with pathetic speed and turret stats. Anyone with 220 pen (anything of tier 8 and above) can penetrate you easily, especially since WG made the area around the gun 203 mm tick, whole turret is one large weak spot.

 

Play something else then innit. 

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View PostSfinski, on 10 April 2019 - 02:45 PM, said:

Try to not get shot instead of trying to bounce shots. Worked for me.

 

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Fighto #14 Posted 10 April 2019 - 08:23 PM

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It has no Armour, its up there with the skorp G. I don't care what it says it has on paper , it simply bounces nothing,  unless its a total dope firing at you  .

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View Post4nt, on 10 April 2019 - 02:13 PM, said:

Haven't really noticed this kind of problem with prot.

 

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gofastandrush #16 Posted 11 April 2019 - 09:00 AM

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At least it needs more points of structure.

Cobra6 #17 Posted 11 April 2019 - 10:05 AM

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Don't worry, the T30 and T110E4 more then make up for the underwhelming T28Prot.

 

Back when I played it 6-7 years ago or something it was actually pretty awesome and I did very well in it. With the current meta, map design etc. I can imagine it being quite bad.

 

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just free xp it

pecopad #19 Posted 11 April 2019 - 11:08 AM

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View Postcomi_wolfsbrother, on 10 April 2019 - 04:34 PM, said:

I say it again and again, it's like you have tunel vision, it's all true what you say if you completely ignore the fact that 80% of time you play against tanks that have 220+ penetration, and you don't need to aim hatch on the top of the turret since special (gold) ammo can penetrate anywhere on the turret, even if you wiggle it, if anyone bounces you first time, you can be sure that they switched to gold ammo for the next shot. 

 

And I would say that you insist in an obliviously impossible thing to solve. You say you play 80% of the games has bottom tier and same tier, now it would be impossible to design tanks that cannot be penned by a tank 2 tiers or 1 tier above, you are always going to be penned be someone in the other team.

 

Comparing to the T28, the proto loses some armor and gains a turret, which IMHO is a good trade, if you don't like it,just play the T28 instead. Simple



samuelx43a #20 Posted 11 April 2019 - 11:17 AM

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The T28 Proto was actualy a rather pleasant grind, it was not as bad as the people used to say(then again, that had a full girl crew so maybe that mitigated some of the weaknesses) But it does have a couple things going for it.

The gun for example is actually really nice, it is essentially a tier IX heavy gun, with 8 seconds a shot for 400, quite respectable.

The armour is not the best, but it can bounce more shots than the average TD.

And like the bloke who posted above me, it has an almost turret, 270degs, which will prepare you for the eventual E4 if you decide to go through the grind






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