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Japualtah #1 Posted 14 April 2019 - 12:51 AM

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It might - very - bad luck, but playing the IS-6, T26E4, E25 and Panther M10 I'm pretty much low tier all the time.

Very few games mid-tier, can't remember of any top tier.

I wish we had a tool to track this to avoid observer error, but the feeling is strong that pref MM has been screwed hard by the new MM formulas.

 

To be honest, I don't care, just propose a refund in gold or trade-off, but be upfront with this, please.

 

As a side note, I pretty much always platoon, which might be another reason all together, but either way something's fishy.



Balc0ra #2 Posted 14 April 2019 - 02:11 AM

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View PostJapualtah, on 14 April 2019 - 12:51 AM, said:

To be honest, I don't care, just propose a refund in gold or trade-off, but be upfront with this, please.

 

Did you use the forum when they wanted to do this to the KV-5?

 

But... if they gave people an option. As in giving those that wanted a +2 MM IS-6 with more pen. By giving it a different name so the old IS-6 is still there for those that want it. Sure. As I like my T26E4 just the way it is. But all the equal tier games is taking the fun out of the IS-6.



Eaglax #3 Posted 14 April 2019 - 09:55 AM

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 I wish we had a tool to track this to avoid observer error

 

pen&paper?

excel?



Bordhaw #4 Posted 14 April 2019 - 10:57 AM

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View PostJapualtah, on 13 April 2019 - 11:51 PM, said:

What about removing preferential matchmaking?

 

 



If_I_Die_You_Die_Too #5 Posted 14 April 2019 - 11:16 AM

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As an option perhaps, you could send in a ticket for support to remove PM

 

I doubt you will see much change though



Balc0ra #6 Posted 14 April 2019 - 11:22 AM

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View PostAlbaTankArmy, on 14 April 2019 - 11:16 AM, said:

As an option perhaps, you could send in a ticket for support to remove PM

 

I doubt you will see much change though

 

+2 MM with 186 pen? Nah I'm good. But if they gave them guns that fitted a +2 MM and a different name as an option for those that wanted it? Sure. As the IS-6 has a 2nd gun option on Blitz that removes a few MM benefits. And way less DPM.

Japualtah #7 Posted 14 April 2019 - 11:47 AM

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View PostEaglax, on 14 April 2019 - 09:55 AM, said:

 

pen&paper?

excel?

 

Sure! can you show me how to put into OpenOffice my last evening results?

 

View PostBalc0ra, on 14 April 2019 - 02:11 AM, said:

 

But... if they gave people an option. As in giving those that wanted a +2 MM IS-6 with more pen. By giving it a different name so the old IS-6 is still there for those that want it. Sure. As I like my T26E4 just the way it is. But all the equal tier games is taking the fun out of the IS-6.

 

IS-6 with more pen without pref MM?

Would be a bad tank methink, the armor just doesn't cut it.

But I'd take it.

 

As for the T26E4, it's armor has been so outclassed over the years, with the usual 6 TDs per team and gold ammo galore, the tank is auto-aim penned.

Not to mention the bugs.

Just happened against an AMX 50 120 against 800+ mm armor.

A low alpha snail is just outclassed nowadays.



Eaglax #8 Posted 14 April 2019 - 12:17 PM

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View PostJapualtah, on 14 April 2019 - 11:47 AM, said:

 

Sure! can you show me how to put into OpenOffice my last evening results?

 

 

while loading into a game or waiting during the countdown you alt-tab out of WOT, and write it down...is that really so difficult or complicated, that you don't even think about it? Or are you just too lacy? Though it doesn't even take 10 seconds once you have a prepared spreadsheet and as said you have to wait anyways....

 

I did exactly that for a while, because I wanted to know the same thing, looks like this:

 

Spoiler

 

 

 



Japualtah #9 Posted 14 April 2019 - 12:51 PM

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View PostJapualtah, on 14 April 2019 - 11:47 AM, said:

 

Sure! can you show me how to put into OpenOffice my last evening results?

 

I think you missed the relevant part, let me highlight it for you.

Not that I'm asking for any 'recording' feature from WG though, you're besides the point.



Gremlin182 #10 Posted 14 April 2019 - 01:06 PM

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They wanted to remove Preferential matchmaking and make substantial buffs to the tanks.

I was all for this PMM is something leftover from the days when their idea of a premium tank was something that was better than a stock tanks but not as good as a fully upgraded tank.

That idea is dead and has been for years.

Anyway some players with PMM tanks argued that they specifically got those tanks because they wanted the limited matchmaking.

 

The compromise is to let them keep pmm and just get buffed a little.

Its a pretty bad idea because tanks will continue to get buffed and new better tanks will come on the scene and those PMM tanks will eventually be completely outclassed by same tier tanks.

 

I suggested a possible solution at the time and still think they should go ahead with it.

Take say the IS6 add a new tank to the game the IS6b for buffed it has normal MM and a much improved gun something in line with the IS3.

Keep both tanks in the game but allow anyone with an IS6 to trade it in for the IS6b and done get greedy make it a free trade .

 

That action repeated across all pmm tanks would get rid of most of them over time.

If you want to hold on to your old version fine but eventually pmm will effectively vanish from the game.

 

 



Mannanan #11 Posted 14 April 2019 - 01:23 PM

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You can use WoT Replay Analyzer. It is under Get Stats in Tank > Matchmaking.

Slyspy #12 Posted 14 April 2019 - 01:59 PM

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View PostJapualtah, on 14 April 2019 - 11:47 AM, said:

 

Sure! can you show me how to put into OpenOffice my last evening results?

 

 

IS-6 with more pen without pref MM?

Would be a bad tank methink, the armor just doesn't cut it.

But I'd take it.

 

As for the T26E4, it's armor has been so outclassed over the years, with the usual 6 TDs per team and gold ammo galore, the tank is auto-aim penned.

Not to mention the bugs.

Just happened against an AMX 50 120 against 800+ mm armor.

A low alpha snail is just outclassed nowadays.

 

Given that such a pen in that area is impossible I suggest that the decal placement is not accurate.

Eaglax #13 Posted 14 April 2019 - 02:16 PM

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View PostJapualtah, on 14 April 2019 - 12:51 PM, said:

 

I think you missed the relevant part, let me highlight it for you.

Not that I'm asking for any 'recording' feature from WG though, you're besides the point.

 

do you stop playing now? Or do you think that everything has changed since your last battle? Just play a couple of battles and start making notes, as said, it's not that difficult...besides your original ask was for a "tool to track it" and I have shown you one possibility to do so...

jimbobjammybob #14 Posted 14 April 2019 - 02:21 PM

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you so much as even think about touching my e25 again i will go liam neeson on you and your entire clan!

mpf1959 #15 Posted 14 April 2019 - 02:26 PM

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What about removing preferential matchmaking?

 

NO! :angry:



arthurwellsley #16 Posted 14 April 2019 - 02:53 PM

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What about removing preferential matchmaking? = HELL NO!

 

I bought preferential match making to train crews. Sure it had a few brightly coloured pixels attached in different shapes and colours, but it was preferential match making that I purchased with cold hard cash, and the only way WG are going to remove preferential matchmaking is to return all the cash that I paid for it.

 

What you should be saying to WG OP, is that the new template needs to be altered more to ensure that preferential match making tanks are more often top tier, with two tiers of tanks below them.



1ncompetenc3 #17 Posted 14 April 2019 - 02:54 PM

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If you're low tier with PMM, what exactly do you think is going to happen with regular MM?

Sfinski #18 Posted 14 April 2019 - 02:58 PM

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Sure, just refund me my money on pref tanks.

Japualtah #19 Posted 14 April 2019 - 03:04 PM

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View Postarthurwellsley, on 14 April 2019 - 02:53 PM, said:

 

 

What you should be saying to WG OP, is that the new template needs to be altered more to ensure that preferential match making tanks are more often top tier, with two tiers of tanks below them.

 

Yes, that's my point.

Either ensure PMM tanks actually get matched with lower tiers more often or trade them off for rebalanced versions.

Anything really but no sneaky move.

 

Again, maybe it's observer error and I got a bad streak, not going to fetch a pencil and notepad, WG knows the mathematical truth.



arthurwellsley #20 Posted 14 April 2019 - 03:16 PM

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View PostJapualtah, on 14 April 2019 - 02:04 PM, said:

 

Yes, that's my point.

Either ensure PMM tanks actually get matched with lower tiers more often or trade them off for rebalanced versions.

Anything really but no sneaky move.

 

Again, maybe it's observer error and I got a bad streak, not going to fetch a pencil and notepad, WG knows the mathematical truth.

 

http://wotnumbers.com/Download

 

Will track your games for you and produce graphs and statistics.

 

If you go here = http://forum.worldof...wip-1-08022019/

 

that tool will help you analyse previous recorded games.


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