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_DeadWolf #1 Posted 15 April 2019 - 06:55 PM

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Confined to console atm but I'm an old PC vet.

 

So I got the AX again on console and just a couple battles in I can remember why I hated the AX over the 7/1.... many of you will probably think I've lost my mind when you read this.

 

Despite the fact the AX is just a 7/1 with a different turret, better stats and gold ammo this thing just doesn't work for me at all, which is strange.

My style of play doesn't change, I take the same flanks depending on match up, aggressive hard hitting medium working ridge lines, or all out MBT brawler etc. yet my performance is abysmal in the AX compared to the 7/1. In the AX my shots feel less controlled when fully aimed, think RNG trolls me more in the AX than the 7/1. The turret doesn't feel anywhere near as strong on both ridge lines and on a level plain with the lack of the mantlet, gold just goes through me like a hot knife through butter.

The mobility in general feels almost negligible, never get out flanked in my 7/1 so doesn't feel like there's any improvement there with the AX.

The change in gold ammo from 210mm pen HESH to HEAT doesn't feel like it's worth it either as the standard rounds are more than enough for me to work with yet having HESH with 210mm pen is so enjoyable when facing tier 7s with armor and higher tiers without extreme angles, useful for when even HEAT fails on hull down targets.

The DPM on the 7/1 i find is very comfortable despite everyone saying how bad it is with L7, I don't have issues with it all and the AX doesn't feel all that much better, can quite easily pick up 3k damage within a few minutes

 

I just don't get it....

 

I try to analyse my performance as best I can and I've made big improvements with many vehicles but the Centurion 7/1 and AX continue to boggle me. I should be performing so much better in the AX as I'm not facing vehicles 1 tier higher.

 

My only conclusion I can come to is that in terms of how I play the 7/1 just feels like an underpowered tier 10 that meets weaker tier 7s

 

Does anybody else feel the same way about these 2 tanks or am I just weird and prefer the tier 9 over the stronger tier 10?

 

Many confuzed, much strange o.O



DA_ZOHAN #2 Posted 15 April 2019 - 06:57 PM

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The Centurion in general in WOT is a weak tank, simply due to Russian bias.  In that the Centurion is the tank that killed the most T54's and T55's and T62's in combat.  (In Israeli hands of course).

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i prefer cent71 over cax aswell, having better stats in cent71 aswell

cax is a plain downgrade tier for tier, gun is awkward and turret is easely penned unlike cent71 due to no mantlet/worse armor



_DeadWolf #4 Posted 15 April 2019 - 07:09 PM

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View PostDA_ZOHAN, on 15 April 2019 - 05:57 PM, said:

The Centurion in general in WOT is a weak tank, simply due to Russian bias.  In that the Centurion is the tank that killed the most T54's and T55's and T62's in combat.  (In Israeli hands of course).

Lmao oh yes the Russian bias, but in all honesty I feel so much stronger in a centurion than a Russian MBT, flexibility and raw firepower trumps armor and low silhouette any day as long as you dont play like a *edit


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I really hated the dispersion values on the 7/1, everything else was fine, but the aim circle was horrendous at the very best, aim circle that was bigger than the screen, unable to snapshot even close range targets, and lack of high penetration premium rounds although the standard rounds have competitive pen at 268mm. AX has way better gun handling, although in my experience, still lacks a bit in snap-shooting.

DeadLecter #6 Posted 15 April 2019 - 07:46 PM

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Just bought the C 7/1 2 days ago. It's not amazing with stock gun but it's workable. Comparing it to 430:

Already has the top gun and turret and you don't even need the tracks to put your equipment on it while C 7/1 needs over 100k XP to finally get the main gun. So yeah, once again Russian bias is non existent and all in our heads.



If_I_Die_You_Die_Too #7 Posted 15 April 2019 - 07:50 PM

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Have you tried the FV4202?

 

The mobility compared to the centurion and AX is superb, but they nerfed the gun to 7.5

One of my most fun tanks, really scoots about and is a troublemaker, but as you say, that hull is pure butter

 

I have the tech tree Centurion Tier 8 and it has chronic shell racking issues, the FV4202 is nowhere near as bad

Its so bad the Tier 8 tank is almost unplayable



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View Postvasilinhorulezz, on 15 April 2019 - 06:40 PM, said:

I really hated the dispersion values on the 7/1, everything else was fine, but the aim circle was horrendous at the very best, aim circle that was bigger than the screen, unable to snapshot even close range targets, and lack of high penetration premium rounds although the standard rounds have competitive pen at 268mm. AX has way better gun handling, although in my experience, still lacks a bit in snap-shooting.

This is what I don't understand about the hate the 7/1 gets, dispersion values feel perfectly fine despite having the worst dispersion of all tier 9 mediums when moving or rotating the turret yet having .31 accuracy when fully aimed. Snapping close range targets has never really been an issue for me unless RNG takes a dump on me. I'd rather the L7 than any other gun for the confidence it's gives me to accurately send rounds down range



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View Post_DeadWolf, on 15 April 2019 - 09:28 PM, said:

This is what I don't understand about the hate the 7/1 gets, dispersion values feel perfectly fine despite having the worst dispersion of all tier 9 mediums when moving or rotating the turret yet having .31 accuracy when fully aimed. Snapping close range targets has never really been an issue for me unless RNG takes a dump on me. I'd rather the L7 than any other gun for the confidence it's gives me to accurately send rounds down range

 

All it needs is a reload buff or a top speed but then it's a really good tier 9 medium, it's a good tank but missing that "something" gun is decent but just too damn slow to reload. Considering the tank line its based on pretty much wiped the floor with it's Russian counterparts in the real world yes the game is slightly biased to make the Russian tanks better than they actually are.

Edited by Signal11th, 15 April 2019 - 10:35 PM.


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View PostAlbaTankArmy, on 15 April 2019 - 06:50 PM, said:

Have you tried the FV4202?

 

The mobility compared to the centurion and AX is superb, but they nerfed the gun to 7.5

One of my most fun tanks, really scoots about and is a troublemaker, but as you say, that hull is pure butter

Never unlocked or played the tier 10 FV4202 nor the reintroduced version on console about a month back. I've preferred the mobility on the Centurions for that raw engine power for a long time, compared to the Russian, Chinese, US and German mediums they all feel pretty sluggish reaching top speeds and maintaining that speed when manoeuvring 

 



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View Post_DeadWolf, on 15 April 2019 - 09:34 PM, said:

Never unlocked or played the tier 10 FV4202 nor the reintroduced version on console about a month back. I've preferred the mobility on the Centurions for that raw engine power for a long time, compared to the Russian, Chinese, US and German mediums they all feel pretty sluggish reaching top speeds and maintaining that speed when manoeuvring 

 

 

If they gave the fv4202 a decent turret it would be an great tank.. Really like mine just the turret is very weak.

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View PostSignal11th, on 15 April 2019 - 09:36 PM, said:

 

If they gave the fv4202 a decent turret it would be an great tank.. Really like mine just the turret is very weak.

This is why I don't like the FV4202 or AX their turrets are stupidly weak due to poor design, Chieftain and Centurion are very strong and not many tanks capable of penetrating the forehead without gold or a favourable line of sight 



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My main dislike about CAX is the lack of high-pen HESH. Apart from that it's okay, or it would be it the entire UK tech tree didn't exist to hammer home the point the accuracy stat is largely pointless.

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View Post1ncompetenc3, on 15 April 2019 - 09:55 PM, said:

My main dislike about CAX is the lack of high-pen HESH. Apart from that it's okay, or it would be it the entire UK tech tree didn't exist to hammer home the point the accuracy stat is largely pointless.

Wouldn't say the high accuracy of British guns to be pointless as Ive slammed plenty of shells into weak points when Russian guns keeping missing my cupolas especially when you're kerbing back and fore



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View Post_DeadWolf, on 15 April 2019 - 05:55 PM, said:

Many confuzed, much strange o.O

 

I have exactly the same experience. So much so that I ditched the CAX after 50 games and only just went back to it recently.

 

I personally think the HESH vs HEAT difference means that the 7/1 can me more flexible a tier lower.The CAX just cannot support as well at tier X as the 7/1 can at tier IX.



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View PostLong_Range_Sniper, on 15 April 2019 - 10:20 PM, said:

 

I have exactly the same experience. So much so that I ditched the CAX after 50 games and only just went back to it recently.

 

I personally think the HESH vs HEAT difference means that the 7/1 can me more flexible a tier lower.The CAX just cannot support as well at tier X as the 7/1 can at tier IX.

I sold my AX after just 5 battles on console and less than 50 something on PC.... That's how much I hated the transition, literally wasted 3 million credits for disappointment, if anything I feel the 7/1 should be the tier 10 seeing as the AX turret is worse, swap the turrets and I'd be happy with that, not sure how I'd feel about losing 210mm pen HESH with the mantled turret though... 

 

I know ppl would hate a tier 10 Centurion without HEAT but I don't see why every tier 10 needs APCR or HEAT... HESH adds that variety


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View Post_DeadWolf, on 15 April 2019 - 10:59 PM, said:

Wouldn't say the high accuracy of British guns to be pointless as Ive slammed plenty of shells into weak points when Russian guns keeping missing my cupolas especially when you're kerbing back and fore

 

My experience is somewhat different; I generally hit the tank, but hitting weak spots at range is rather problematic even at stationary targets (and yes I'm talking fully aimed). That's not a problem exclusive to Brits though, my Skorpion G performs as if its accuracy is more around 0.4 than whatever the game states. RNGesus does not seem to favour accurate guns from my point of view.

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My CAX is waiting for a -15% T10 sale. After reading this I don't know if I want to even buy it.

Cent 7/1 with that turret and HESH is a beast. With the previous T9 MM it wasn't hard to do well in that tank. 



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7/1 is far better tier to tier.

I ve come to the conclusion that many t9 meds have a better "weight" than their t10 brothers and it is advisable for newer players to keep to a nice t9 with a good crew.

Examples : 7/1 Cent, Leo PTA, AMX 30, Skoda t50 maybe even Standar B.

My 2 cents on the matter..



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View Posttank276, on 16 April 2019 - 08:09 AM, said:

7/1 is far better tier to tier.

I ve come to the conclusion that many t9 meds have a better "weight" than their t10 brothers and it is advisable for newer players to keep to a nice t9 with a good crew.

Examples : 7/1 Cent, Leo PTA, AMX 30, Skoda t50 maybe even Standar B.

My 2 cents on the matter..

 

As this most tier 9 meds for me are better than their tier 10's with the exception being the 430/430u and the ever so slighty the tvp 50/51

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