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dan_dix #1 Posted 20 April 2019 - 09:56 PM

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What do you think about these income figures from Frontline:

1) T-44, 2.8k damage and 700 assist, got 8k credits brut

2) M40/43, 4.4k damage and 3.5k assist, got 44k credits brut

3) P44 Pantera, 1.8k damage and 260 assist, got 18k credits brut

 

WTF? Should'nt have I got a lots more credits for the T-44 compared to the arty and pantera? I spammed gold like a MF and shot a lot (granted, not my spots) but neither were the arty shots or pantera shots on my spotting

 

This is without premium account or boosters

 

Replay here

http://wotreplays.eu...dan_dix-m40_m43

 

Isn't this weird?

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Edited by dan_dix, 20 April 2019 - 10:05 PM.


Balc0ra #2 Posted 20 April 2019 - 10:05 PM

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All in the same game or? But how did you do that 2.8K damage vs the 1.8 on the Pantera? On other spotting? Your own spotting? Was any of it objective damage? Damage to targets near an objective as a defender? Cap reset?  As the replay link don't show what side you were on, or general FL details besides the arty.  As vs randoms there are more factors to consider. As it's not a falt bonus pr damage point as such.

 

 



dan_dix #3 Posted 20 April 2019 - 10:08 PM

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View PostBalc0ra, on 20 April 2019 - 10:05 PM, said:

All in the same game or? But how did you do that 2.8K damage vs the 1.8 on the Pantera? On other spotting? Your own spotting? Was any of it objective damage? Damage to targets near an objective as a defender? Cap reset?  As the replay link don't show what side you were on, or general FL details besides the arty.  As vs randoms there are more factors to consider. As it's not a falt bonus pr damage point as such.

 

 

 

All in the same game - (sorry I forgot to attach the screenshots, see post now). I was on defense team. With arty I used more reserves and reset cap I guess(?). But still very surprised by very low income on T-44.

 

Basically most game was arty defending cap C, then short run with Pantera and then a longer run with T-44 defending objective 4.



Bordhaw #4 Posted 21 April 2019 - 12:20 AM

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View Postdan_dix, on 20 April 2019 - 08:56 PM, said:

WTF? Should'nt have I got a lots more credits for the T-44 compared to the arty and pantera? I spammed gold like a MF and shot a lot 

 



dan_dix #5 Posted 21 April 2019 - 08:00 AM

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View PostBordhaw, on 21 April 2019 - 12:20 AM, said:

 

In case you didn't notice, I'm talking about gross income, before ammo and repair costs are being substracted. The T44 got almost half gross income than the Panthera for almost twice the damage.

 

While i was in the T44 I got boosted by a team mate with Inspire reserve for a period, not sure if this can account for some of the lost credits. Still feels very low though



_bitter_end_ #6 Posted 21 April 2019 - 08:07 AM

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For these performances you've earned the correct credits. There is only one thing i cant understand: Why shooting gold in frontline???? :facepalm:

TheDrownedApe #7 Posted 21 April 2019 - 08:10 AM

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View Post_bitter_end_, on 21 April 2019 - 07:07 AM, said:

For these performances you've earned the correct credits. There is only one thing i cant understand: Why shooting gold in frontline???? :facepalm:

 

I see a fair few people doing it and it's a random mix of skill/experience. I guess they are not short of money

UrQuan #8 Posted 21 April 2019 - 08:14 AM

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Checking the 3 screenshots, the explanation for the difference seems to be performance & accuracy & ammo cost.

 

Arty makes profit, because of the high (stun) assist & accuracy of the shots: 17 fired, only 3 direct hits, but 22 splashed, indicating well placed shots into groups & and that most shots actually did something. So practically every shot did count and that's reflected in the earnings. High shell cost, but thanks to your effiency in this arty you got rewarded a positive earning.

 

Pantera: breaks even, because of the low shell cost (if its all prem shells, else it breaks even because plenty of non prem shells used). Screenshot says 13 shots fired, 7 penned & likely caused damage. About 50%+ shell use efficiency meaning that roughly half the shells fired returned credits. Note that a cost of 5.6K for 13 premium shells is pretty low for a T8, so either it has cheap prem shells or alot of non prem shells mixed in the bunch.

 

Last one; the T-44 runs on a major loss, due to combo of low shell efficiency ( 28 fired, only 13 penned, less then half) & high shell cost ( 28 shells costing 54K, alot higher cost per shell then either the pantera but roughly on par of the M44 shell cost; but M44 had a much better efficiency in its shell use).

 

So the T-44 ran so deep in red because of the 3 tanks, the T-44 was least efficient with its shells fired & had the highest shell cost. Not really a mystery here.


Edited by UrQuan, 21 April 2019 - 08:17 AM.


_bitter_end_ #9 Posted 21 April 2019 - 08:26 AM

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View PostTheDrownedApe, on 21 April 2019 - 07:10 AM, said:

 

I guess they are not short of money

Yeah, not short of money, and coming to the forums to cry for the small income. OFC...



PointZero #10 Posted 21 April 2019 - 08:31 AM

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View Postdan_dix, on 20 April 2019 - 11:56 PM, said:

What do you think about these income figures from Frontline

 

Shamefull display, you finally have a map big enough to fully allow playing flanking tactics & crossfire with mediums to their fullest extend and you're spamming gold in what I can only imagine as full frontal conflicts with the heavies since most MT's you run into surely don't need any to be dealth with.

 

Since UrQuan beat me to it I'm not going to repeat what he said and just leave this here

 

View PostUrQuan, on 21 April 2019 - 10:14 AM, said:

Note that a cost of 5.6K for 13 premium shells is pretty low for a T8, so either it has cheap prem shells or alot of non prem shells mixed in the bunch.

 

Shell costs

T-44 with the 100mm AP 252cr, APCR 4 400cr

T-44 with the 122mm AP 1 025cr, APCR 4 800cr

P.44 with the 90/74 AP 435cr, APCR 4 400cr

 



BlackBloodBandit #11 Posted 21 April 2019 - 08:42 AM

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View Post_bitter_end_, on 21 April 2019 - 08:07 AM, said:

For these performances you've earned the correct credits. There is only one thing i cant understand: Why shooting gold in frontline???? :facepalm:

Check how many Spaggeto's go full gold... because the tank is already very 'balanced'.. also enough arty and light tank players.



dan_dix #12 Posted 21 April 2019 - 08:53 AM

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View Post_bitter_end_, on 21 April 2019 - 08:07 AM, said:

For these performances you've earned the correct credits.

 

View PostUrQuan, on 21 April 2019 - 08:14 AM, said:

Checking the 3 screenshots, the explanation for the difference seems to be performance & accuracy & ammo cost.

 

Guys, I still don't get it. I'm talking GROSS INCOME, without ammo costs (gold or regular), missed shots or whatever performance. As far as I get it gross (base) income should be proportional to the amount of HP damage dealt - and this may be halved if shots are done on someone else's spotting.

 

T44 makes 8k base credits for 3.5k combined damage -> 2.3 silver/HP

Panthera makes 18k base credits for 2k combined damage -> 9.5 silver/HP

 

How do you explain that difference?

Forget about the arty, gold, or whatever else. This is about base income per damage dealt.


Edited by dan_dix, 21 April 2019 - 08:55 AM.


UrQuan #13 Posted 21 April 2019 - 09:19 AM

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Good point, the 8K gross credit income on the T-44 seems on the low side, so checked the replay. Can't really find a reason on why that is tho. Each tank you played once, with the T-44 last. Do note that credit earning calculations are still a big unknown & details on are hidden. Generally, spotting, assisting & damage dealing gives credits, but other factors are also involved that affect this gross income. For some reason it seems the T-44 didn't score high or triggered on these unknown parameters, while the Pantera did. What those be? I don't know.

 

Note that overall, the gross credit income seems to be on the low side compared to the tank performance. Only arty credit income seems about normal. 

So seems WG did nerf Frontline gross credit income & somehow hit the T-44 you played harder then the others for some reason.


Edited by UrQuan, 21 April 2019 - 09:22 AM.


994250 #14 Posted 21 April 2019 - 09:42 AM

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I had a match in FL where i only shot premium ammo on m40/43 as a test, i expected that i will have no income at all.
But after the match only the credits i spent were listed in the details, nothing was earned.

Strange things happen, like the increasing amount of ghost ammo.







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