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Hechaton #1 Posted 22 April 2019 - 12:56 AM

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Is it just me or do the japanese heavies need a little nerf? 

Couldn't even pen type 5 in the front with my obj 268 v4 with HEAT (360 mm pen). 

Can't pen the flat "corners" of the hull with my jagdpanzer E100 with HEAT (420mm pen)

 

Could it be that these tanks are a "little" OP? And the fact they are spamming HE doesn't help the situation.

I've seen WG's planned "nerf" which I find ridicilous. These tanks need REAL nerf.

For how long is WG balancing dpt. going to be on vacation? (I there is such a dpt in the first place).

 



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Their 15cm Gun is losing the HE gold round next patch. In fact the entire Jap HT line is getting derp gun nerfs. As for armor? Already nerfed a few times. Now even with 360 HEAT pen it depends on where you hit it. The side has fairly large gaps to pre-detonate that HEAT. And the cupola like the VK 100.01... if you don't hit that center line. It's suddenly 400 effective.  But the small hatches etc head on? Should do it even on a low roll. 

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View PostHechaton, on 22 April 2019 - 12:56 AM, said:

Is it just me or do the japanese heavies need a little nerf? 

Couldn't even pen type 5 in the front with my obj 268 v4 with HEAT (360 mm pen). 

Can't pen the flat "corners" of the hull with my jagdpanzer E100 with HEAT (420mm pen)

 

Could it be that these tanks are a "little" OP? And the fact they are spamming HE doesn't help the situation.

I've seen WG's planned "nerf" which I find ridicilous. These tanks need REAL nerf.

For how long is WG balancing dpt. going to be on vacation? (I there is such a dpt in the first place).

 

 

Penetrating type5  is not a big deal. Asking it to be nerfed is serious problem.  Type5 is not op.

1ncompetenc3 #4 Posted 22 April 2019 - 01:14 AM

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While I agree that those tanks have stupid armour profiles, if you're slinging HEAT in tier X TDs and still not getting anywhere you really need to aim better.

Hechaton #5 Posted 22 April 2019 - 01:14 AM

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View Postrageman4u, on 22 April 2019 - 01:05 AM, said:

 

Penetrating type5  is not a big deal. Asking it to be nerfed is serious problem.  Type5 is not op.

 

I bet you love driving your type 5 don't you?

 

View PostBalc0ra, on 22 April 2019 - 01:05 AM, said:

Their 15cm Gun is losing the HE gold round next patch. In fact the entire Jap HT line is getting derp gun nerfs. As for armor? Already nerfed a few times. Now even with 360 HEAT pen it depends on where you hit it. The side has fairly large gaps to pre-detonate that HEAT. And the cupola like the VK 100.01... if you don't hit that center line. It's suddenly 400 effective.  But the small hatches etc head on? Should do it even on a low roll. 

I talking from the front. It has none weak points. None. The only thing that can resemble a wekspot is the hatch to the left, middel section of the hull. Good luck hitting that unless you are in it's face,

I my opinion, the type 4 and 5 should at least have similar turret armour as the E100 or Mouse.

Why should this never-existing tank have an armour profile out of WG scale? I get it that bad players have to get their "own" tank but this is beyond my understanding. 

 

 

 



Suurpolskija #6 Posted 22 April 2019 - 05:42 AM

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TO THE GROUND!!!! :izmena:

Laatikkomafia #7 Posted 22 April 2019 - 06:16 AM

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If you can't pen a Type 5 with JgPz or Bobject prem ammo, the enemy tank isn't the issue. Perhaps you should stop autoaiming at tier 10 superheavies?

 

(Type 5's "armor" against JgPz's HEAT.)

 

With the JgPz, you don't even need premium ammo to pen Type 5s. No matter the angle, there are spots were you have at least a 60% chance to penetrate.

 

EDIT: Although I do dislike Japanese high tier heavies, I honestly think no tank should get ammo with higher than 330 mm of pen.


Edited by Laatikkomafia, 22 April 2019 - 06:19 AM.


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View PostHechaton, on 22 April 2019 - 12:56 AM, said:

Is it just me or do the japanese heavies need a little nerf? 

Couldn't even pen type 5 in the front with my obj 268 v4 with HEAT (360 mm pen). 

Can't pen the flat "corners" of the hull with my jagdpanzer E100 with HEAT (420mm pen)

 

Could it be that these tanks are a "little" OP? 

 

Could it be you can't aim?



tajj7 #9 Posted 22 April 2019 - 08:28 AM

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Yeh they are getting nerfed next patch, considering how dumb the HE guns are, its quite a big nerf and I'd expect you won't see as many Type 5s about as they can't just spam 1400 damage premium HE and do like 600 damage to heavily armoured targets.

 

But yeh they should get better balanced armour so standard ammo can pen them. 



Toni112007 #10 Posted 22 April 2019 - 09:32 AM

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Japanese heavies are designed by the WG to increase gold ammo spam. So them having weakspots which can be penetrated by equal (except TDs) or lower with an stanard ammo is out of a question. But tanks like E100 (generally almost all German tanks have to have obvious weakspots which can be shot from 500 meters away) need to have lfp of ~200mm effective armor so they can be penetrated by Soviet tier 8 tanks without gold ammo. 

Edited by Toni112007, 22 April 2019 - 09:34 AM.


Nishi_Kinuyo #11 Posted 22 April 2019 - 09:50 AM

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If Type 5 Heavy gold (post-buff) is enough to deal with itself, then a bobyekt should have no issues at all.

Learn to aim noob.



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WG are not limiting the nerf to the Type 4 and 5 alone, but the OI, Oni and Oho are getting nerfs too. The first two not so bad but the Oho gets hit pretty hard with the reload nerf. 



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View PostHechaton, on 21 April 2019 - 11:56 PM, said:

Is it just me or do the japanese heavies need a little nerf? 

Couldn't even pen type 5 in the front with my obj 268 v4 with HEAT (360 mm pen). 

Can't pen the flat "corners" of the hull with my jagdpanzer E100 with HEAT (420mm pen)

 

 

It's the corridor maps that are the issue then? 

Japualtah #14 Posted 22 April 2019 - 11:10 AM

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Nerf HE heavies and suffer from invincible Russian cupolas like there is no tomorrow.

 

What we need is weakspots, not nerfs nor buffs.



PayMore #15 Posted 22 April 2019 - 11:21 AM

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Ye, type 5 needs to be nerfed when you cant pen with an russian obj tank with special ammo. You should send a ticket to WG and ask that you be compansated for damage lost + be put on twitch streamer elo and map rotation.

1ncompetenc3 #16 Posted 22 April 2019 - 01:54 PM

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View PostJapualtah, on 22 April 2019 - 11:10 AM, said:

Nerf HE heavies and suffer from invincible Russian cupolas like there is no tomorrow.

 

What we need is weakspots, not nerfs nor buffs.

 

OP complained mostly about armour, HE is a sidenote. Not that one would exclude the other; high tier derp guns are as stupid as armour profiles without weak spots. Better luck next time.

lnfernaI #17 Posted 22 April 2019 - 02:08 PM

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The whole concept of "idiotproof but effective" is a liability. I've noticed that only players on RU servers are shedding rivers of "OH NO WHY NERF HEAVY TANKS I INVEST SO MANY EXP IN"... yada yada yada...

 

This line was clearly made to infuriate those standing in opposition,and when masses start taking pitchforks,the nerfs come with them.

 

Tbh,I would just delete this unnecessary line of gamebreaking garbage,and refund everyone ~500k free experience for their troubles.

 

The experience is always the same - introduce broken crap, make it overperform and idiotproof for everyone,infuriate part of the community along the way by promoting goldspam then nerf them into the ground. And last but not least - make people cry again.

 

Didn't I emphasize the point of playing idiotproof tanks would over time only turn one into a degenerate? Thought I did.



Nishi_Kinuyo #18 Posted 22 April 2019 - 02:32 PM

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View PostlnfernaI, on 22 April 2019 - 02:08 PM, said:

This line was clearly made to infuriate those standing in opposition,and when masses start taking pitchforks,the nerfs come with them.

No, that was after WG buffed them because nobody played the hightiers since they sucked arse.



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View PostNishi_Kinuyo, on 22 April 2019 - 03:32 PM, said:

No, that was after WG buffed them because nobody played the hightiers since they sucked arse.

 

If that was the reason, E-50M would already have a 128 mm gun.

 

Oh, wait. The tank is German.



wEight_Tanker #20 Posted 22 April 2019 - 05:41 PM

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Try aiming for a weakspot instead of auto-aiming with your bobject HEAT. I have no trouble penning the commander's cupola for instance with an effective lower tier gun.

 

View Postrageman4u, on 22 April 2019 - 01:05 AM, said:

 

Penetrating type5  is not a big deal. Asking it to be nerfed is serious problem.  Type5 is not op.
True. It's a large tank, it wouldn't be fair to give it paper armor like the O-I. If there's one OP armored tank then It's the BOBject version 4. :P

Edited by wEight_Tanker, 22 April 2019 - 05:43 PM.






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