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Sfinski #1 Posted 23 April 2019 - 02:26 PM

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https://worldoftanks...1-MT-rebalance/

 

Finally 430U gets nerfed. (even though I were just thinking of marking it)

 

Not quite agree with the STB rebalancing. But have to play it on test to really figure it out.



eldrak #2 Posted 23 April 2019 - 03:08 PM

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Those STB numbers seem... odd.

950 m/s apcr must be a typo. 

 

If you want easy markings you should play it a lot before nerf and then wait two weeks.



Balc0ra #3 Posted 23 April 2019 - 03:22 PM

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View PostSfinski, on 23 April 2019 - 02:26 PM, said:

Not quite agree with the STB rebalancing. But have to play it on test to really figure it out.

 

Not sure why they wanted to change the ammo on that and the Leo 1. That's a massive nerf in Alpha and shell speed for the STB. ROF goes up. Leo got AP too, but shell speed is hardly dropping vs it tho. And it's gold ammo got faster. And he got a pen buff, so pen drop vs AP won't impact it as much. But tbh I doubt those changes will impact the Leo's global WR that much, if at all. Unless ofc those shell speeds are a typo. As it's not often you see sub 1000 APCR ammo, and 1300 AP ammo. 

 

As for the 430U? It lost just over half a round a min, and some dispersion nerfs. Basically making it a bit worse at long range. But up close with the same armor. Will it make a difference? 430 almost lost 1 round a min tho. Don't see too many of that atm to know how that will impact it.

 

 

 

 

 

 


Edited by Balc0ra, 23 April 2019 - 03:23 PM.


xtrem3x #4 Posted 23 April 2019 - 03:29 PM

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STB still looks bad, this looks like a bit of a nerf tbh.

Shame



arthurwellsley #5 Posted 23 April 2019 - 03:34 PM

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Interesting it mentions buffs to the premium STA-2 when the STB is buffed.

It also mentions buffs to the premium Pz. 58 Mutz when the Leopard 1 is buffed.

 

Both of those make sense as they are the crew trainers for those lines, and both are below average currently.

 

But one of the worst tier VIII medium premium tanks is the CDC which is the crew trainer for the AMX 30B. Surely if they buff the AMX 30B line (which really means the tier X as the tier IX is sought of OK ish) they should by the above logic buff the CDC. Presently the CDC is pretty horrible.



tajj7 #6 Posted 23 April 2019 - 03:39 PM

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STB-1 looks worse to me, even if it gets the special suspension and -13 gun depression, they have nerfed the pen, alpha, accuracy, view range, top speed, shell velocity, for very minor buffs.

 

They seem to forget that the STB-1 does not bounce anything, its turret armour is poor, so it can't sit there at medium ranges on ridgelines firing constantly, it'll just die and with that accuracy/penetration/alpha, it won't have done much damage. 

 

It's just a worse worse Patton now.

 

The Leo 1 changes are good, though I don't see why any of the nerfs they list are necessary, why does hp/ton, reverse speed, hit points, and traverse need nerfing? This is one of the worst tier 10 meds, with those buffs it'll still be average at best, hardly OP.

 

Good to see the 430U and 430 get nerfed though. Plus the buffs to the STA-1, STA-2 and Mutz, plus the rest of those lines sounds good. 

 

EDIT: To also add the new Swedish tier 10, basically does the exact role they are describing for the STB-1, but better because of better turret armour and 440 alpha. 


Edited by tajj7, 23 April 2019 - 03:55 PM.


NekoPuffer_PPP #7 Posted 23 April 2019 - 03:46 PM

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Am I the only one who feels like these changes are...completely random? With the purpose of simply changing them up a bit?

 

Also, Leopard buffed to 70km/h? Really?

 

 

How about you buff its ammorack health instead... :sceptic:

 

 

Russian nerfs are very welcome, those things can rely on their armor, unlike most other meds.



AvengerOrion #8 Posted 23 April 2019 - 03:47 PM

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The Leopard 1 reeks of a placebo treatment.

"Look we changed some random numbers, see, we really care?(NOT)"

It doesn't need rebalancing, it needs buffing.


Edited by AvengerOrion, 23 April 2019 - 03:47 PM.


mtnm #9 Posted 23 April 2019 - 03:47 PM

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That will teach me to never buy X5 again...

Baldrickk #10 Posted 23 April 2019 - 03:49 PM

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View PostPervyPastryPuffer, on 23 April 2019 - 03:46 PM, said:

Am I the only one who feels like these changes are...completely random? With the purpose of simply changing them up a bit?

 

Also, Leopard buffed to 70km/h? Really?

 

 

How about you buff its ammorack health instead... :sceptic:

 

 

Russian nerfs are very welcome, those things can rely on their armor, unlike most other meds.

Ironically it has the highest ammorack HP already, it's just that half the tank is ammorack.



Desyatnik_Pansy #11 Posted 23 April 2019 - 03:53 PM

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-not sure how I feel about STB-1 Changes, mostly based on the pen nerf. Will have to see how it actually is in Test but don't have high hopes (EDIT: Less concerned about pen now that I read it's only at 500m; remember lads, don't read patchnotes and play games at the same time)

-like the Leopard 1 Changes

-like the AMX-30B Changes

-like the nerfs to the 430/430U, though cupolas should've been nerfed

 

That's my two cents.


Edited by Desyatnik_Pansy, 23 April 2019 - 04:53 PM.


Cobra6 #12 Posted 23 April 2019 - 03:56 PM

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A buff to the STB-1 is always welcome as that tank is still balanced according to the year it was introduced into WoT which is completely outdated.

 

This however is not a buff, it's just a step sideways meaning the STB will still be as average as it is now.

 

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Edited by Cobra6, 23 April 2019 - 04:00 PM.


tajj7 #13 Posted 23 April 2019 - 04:01 PM

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View PostCobra6, on 23 April 2019 - 02:56 PM, said:

A buff to the STB-1 is always welcome as that tank is still balanced according to the year it was introduced into WoT which is completely outdated.

 

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Is it a buff though?, they are giving it tier 8 pen, tier 8 alpha, heavy tank accuracy and its not getting much in return.  

 

On that graphic for the STB-1, they are 8 nerfs and 10 buffs, so overall the tank, which is probably one of the worst on tier 10, is getting very minor buff, but in reality they important things like pen and alpha are getting nerfed I'd say its overall a nerf. 

 

Unless that special suspension is magic, I can't see how that STB-1 will perform any better than the old one. Plus as I said above, we are getting a special suspension, not that fast, hull down warrior medium, and its got 440 alpha and a way way better turret than the STB-1. 

 

(also anyone notice that the 30b has basically got its old pen, shell velocity, heat pen, and accuracy back, its probably the biggest winner here) 



Thejagdpanther #14 Posted 23 April 2019 - 04:12 PM

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Some armor nerfs to bobjects?

It's pratically what everyone was waiting for...



pecopad #15 Posted 23 April 2019 - 04:34 PM

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Nerf the 430 U and leave the 907 the same...yes it makes all sense...

 

Why would you play the nerfed 430U?... Just play the 113 heavy

 

Would also like someone to explain why the buff in damage to the Leopard....it shares the gun with 2 other  tanks, none of which will change...

 

I grinded the 430 because it was the highest DPM medium tank in the game.... now its just a bad heavy.


Edited by pecopad, 23 April 2019 - 04:40 PM.


XxKuzkina_MatxX #16 Posted 23 April 2019 - 04:43 PM

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View Posttajj7, on 23 April 2019 - 05:01 PM, said:

 

Is it a buff though?, they are giving it tier 8 pen, tier 8 alpha, heavy tank accuracy and its not getting much in return.  

 

On that graphic for the STB-1, they are 8 nerfs and 10 buffs, so overall the tank, which is probably one of the worst on tier 10, is getting very minor buff, but in reality they important things like pen and alpha are getting nerfed I'd say its overall a nerf. 

 

Unless that special suspension is magic, I can't see how that STB-1 will perform any better than the old one. Plus as I said above, we are getting a special suspension, not that fast, hull down warrior medium, and its got 440 alpha and a way way better turret than the STB-1. 

 

(also anyone notice that the 30b has basically got its old pen, shell velocity, heat pen, and accuracy back, its probably the biggest winner here) 

 

Can you relax a bit before you break something?

 

  • The pen is only nerfed @500m, at 100m it's still the same 258mm.
  • The turret armor is getting a buff too, already mention on the RU forums.

 

Inner peace!



Dr_Oolen #17 Posted 23 April 2019 - 04:44 PM

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- i see stb is gonna get the same "buff" like 30b got in the past... as in - making it even worse than it is :D 232 pen on a t10 medium with crapaccuracy and potato shell velocity... yeah, that worked out really well for 30b...

 

so overall, this is a nerf to stb

 

- leopard "buffs" while they are buffs alright, they will have almost no impact on the overall winrate of the tank anyway because they are quite minor while it also gets nerfed in other aspects...

 

- 30b buffs - yeah, thats what the tank should have been after it was rebalanced, so like this it would have been a solid t10 medium those 2-3 years ago, but since then we had even more powercreep, so it will still be bad, but at least not so terribly bad

 

- rip 430, will be super crapt9

 

- 430u nerfs seem just about right

 

 

... and i thought there was some change in wg balancing department, but they still seem completely incapable of proper balance overall :)


Edited by Dr_Oolen, 23 April 2019 - 04:52 PM.


Suurpolskija #18 Posted 23 April 2019 - 04:54 PM

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Aw man, I was just starting that Obj430 grind. My luck I guess! :bajan:

 

I approve of the Leo 1, Amx 30b buffs and the 430 nerfs. I have no clue about STB-1's since I don't own one and you see one in randoms every once in a blue moon or so. 



Strizi #19 Posted 23 April 2019 - 04:57 PM

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The leopard is so bad why cant they just buff it without taking away something? And why the need to give it AP - they should keep apcr as standard and heat as premium. And still no dpm buff for E50M - its the only t10 that doesnt get a dpm upgrade over the t9, i hope it will get it later.

Edited by Strizi, 23 April 2019 - 05:00 PM.


Axelfoley666 #20 Posted 23 April 2019 - 05:00 PM

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Help the Chi-Ri, it's a painful grind, especially as it can meet tier 9. Gun is pathetic.





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