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Nishi_Kinuyo #21 Posted 23 April 2019 - 05:02 PM

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View PostXxKuzkina_MatxX, on 23 April 2019 - 04:43 PM, said:

 

Can you relax a bit before you break something?

 

  • The pen is only nerfed @500m, at 100m it's still the same 258mm.
  • The turret armor is getting a buff too, already mention on the RU forums.

 

Inner peace!

Interesting about the turret armour buff.

And yeah, it took me a moment to realise as well that its a pen drop-off nerf rather than just the pen in general.

What confuses me about the entire change though, is this:

They're changing it more into a close-range support tank...

..But nerf its ability to get away if things go wrong.

Instead, they give the Leo1 better speed while changing it more into a sniper.

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View PostDr_Oolen, on 23 April 2019 - 04:44 PM, said:

- i see stb is gonna get the same "buff" like 30b got in the past... as in - making it even worse than it is :D 232 pen on a t10 medium with crapaccuracy and potato shell velocity... yeah, that worked out really well for 30b...

232mm AP pen.

At 500m distance, not at 50m/100m.


Edited by Nishi_Kinuyo, 23 April 2019 - 05:03 PM.


XxKuzkina_MatxX #22 Posted 23 April 2019 - 05:14 PM

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View PostNishi_Kinuyo, on 23 April 2019 - 06:02 PM, said:

Interesting about the turret armour buff.

And yeah, it took me a moment to realise as well that its a pen drop-off nerf rather than just the pen in general.

What confuses me about the entire change though, is this:

They're changing it more into a close-range support tank...

..But nerf its ability to get away if things go wrong.

Instead, they give the Leo1 better speed while changing it more into a sniper.

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232mm AP pen.

At 500m distance, not at 50m/100m.

 

Yep that's nonsense balance, no question about it!



Solstad1069 #23 Posted 23 April 2019 - 05:23 PM

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LOL sometimes you get the feeling its your grandma with stage 3 Alzheimer that does these buffs and nerfs.

The_Georgian_One #24 Posted 23 April 2019 - 05:29 PM

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Note there is no ETA on this, so even though they could introduce the changes in 1.5, we will have to wait for God knows how long. I'm particularly interested in the Leo buffs and curious about STB, but don't know if I will be still playing when they finally introduce these tweaks.

XxKuzkina_MatxX #25 Posted 23 April 2019 - 05:38 PM

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View PostSolstad1069, on 23 April 2019 - 06:23 PM, said:

LOL sometimes you get the feeling its your grandma with stage 3 Alzheimer that does these buffs and nerfs.

 

My first impression reading the article...

 



Solstad1069 #26 Posted 23 April 2019 - 05:41 PM

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STB1 is a tank you hardly see on the battlefield at all, so why WG?
I tell you what i think, these STB1 changes are an insult to all of your players.

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Good thing I didn't finish grinding my T-44. :trollface:

Solstad1069 #28 Posted 23 April 2019 - 05:49 PM

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View PostwEight_Tanker, on 23 April 2019 - 05:42 PM, said:

Good thing I didn't finish grinding my T-44. :trollface:

 

Surprisingly the Russian medium tank line have several nice tanks thats worth keeping.
Compare it tier for tier vs the Japanese medium line and you just have to realize the Vodka is real :P

tajj7 #29 Posted 23 April 2019 - 05:52 PM

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View PostXxKuzkina_MatxX, on 23 April 2019 - 03:43 PM, said:

 

Can you relax a bit before you break something?

 

  • The pen is only nerfed @500m, at 100m it's still the same 258mm.
  • The turret armor is getting a buff too, already mention on the RU forums.

 

Inner peace!

 

They have changed that 500m thing because that wasn't there initially and its still an unnecessary nerf.

 

Plus the article mentions nothing about a turret armour buff. 

 

So even with those things, its still overall a nerf IMO. 



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View Posttajj7, on 23 April 2019 - 06:52 PM, said:

They have changed that 500m thing because that wasn't there initially and its still an unnecessary nerf.

 

Plus the article mentions nothing about a turret armour buff. 

 

So even with those things, its still overall a nerf IMO. 

 

The RU article is badly written too so i guess the translation didn't help. All i am saying is to be patient as those half*** changes mentioned are still missing a lot. When the tank is closer to its final form with any armor buffs or the 'magical' suspension, you can rate it better. Right now it's a piece of a puzzle meant to condition feedback!

Edited by XxKuzkina_MatxX, 23 April 2019 - 06:04 PM.


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View PostSolstad1069, on 23 April 2019 - 05:49 PM, said:

 

Surprisingly the Russian medium tank line have several nice tanks thats worth keeping.
Compare it tier for tier vs the Japanese medium line and you just have to realize the Vodka is real :P

 

And why wouldn't Russian medium tanks be better than Japanese tanks?

 

Why all this nationality issue with tanks.... does the Zimbawe striker on FIFA have to be has good has Messi or Ronaldo? 



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View PostSolstad1069, on 23 April 2019 - 05:41 PM, said:

STB1 is a tank you hardly see on the battlefield at all, so why WG?
I tell you what i think, these STB1 changes are an insult to all of your players.

jesus christ stop overreacting like a todler ffs.... we are getting changes which is good... we will see, its just supertest.... agree that STB should be buffed more but i think damage per shot nerf is good way to go as you will be firing more frequently so gun handling will matter bit less

 



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It's good that they are trying to make tier 10 meds feel special and different but I think they are trying too hard.

 

STB-1 - just give it hydro-pneumatic suspension, slightly better gun handling - DONE, no need for other changes.

Leo 1 - I agree with mobility buffs (sniper with no armour equals a lot of relocating) but they should make it a little more convenient to play too, instead focusing so much on the gun. Module health comes to mind first.

AMX 30B - buffs across the board - nice. I hope tier 9 will get the same treatment because its gun feels horrible.

430 - nerfed too hard imo. It deserved some changes because it's a 390 alpha medium with the best armour and decent penetration but I think they went a bit too far.

430U - many people wanted its armour to be nerfed but I don't agree. They should give it cupolas as weakspots and nerf firepower (as they are planning). This way you have 430U with armour and chinese variants (121 and 113) with better guns and mobility.



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View Postpecopad, on 23 April 2019 - 06:05 PM, said:

 

And why wouldn't Russian medium tanks be better than Japanese tanks?

 

Why all this nationality issue with tanks.... does the Zimbawe striker on FIFA have to be has good has Messi or Ronaldo? 

 

You just want Russian tanks on the battlefield? Why should anyone grind out the STB1 when tier 5-6-7-8-9 has NOTHING to offer, no reason to keep anyone in the garage.
Why would anyone keep any of the Polish medium tanks after they got to tier 8+? They are pretty much ready for the bin as soon as the grind is done.


So WHY doesnt WG want people to play mid tiers except when they are doing the grind?

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View PostZoltan1251, on 23 April 2019 - 06:38 PM, said:

jesus christ stop overreacting like a todler ffs.... we are getting changes which is good... we will see, its just supertest.... agree that STB should be buffed more but i think damage per shot nerf is good way to go as you will be firing more frequently so gun handling will matter bit less

 

 

Because WG dont listen anyway, with their head so deep in the sand they cant possibly see the sun anytime soon. You dont nerf a tank that needs buffs across the board, you just simply dont.
WG must have the numbers on how often STB1 is played vs 430U and my guess is 100 vs 1.

Edited by Solstad1069, 23 April 2019 - 08:25 PM.


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Great.

 

I am less than 70K XP from the 430U.

 

I guess I deserve it though. Seems like V. K. overruled the current head of balance as he stated so.



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View PostWindSplitter1, on 23 April 2019 - 08:36 PM, said:

Great.

 

I am less than 70K XP from the 430U.

 

I guess I deserve it though. Seems like V. K. overruled the current head of balance as he stated so.

 

You have to do it WG style, use real money on gold for XP :P Remember a 3 man WT auf E100 platoon on the day it was released.
Or use a year to grind out the Foch 155 and get it 2 weeks after it was nerfed to the ground, like me. :D

 

Your choice!


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View PostSolstad1069, on 23 April 2019 - 07:42 PM, said:

 

You have to do WG style, use real money on gold for XP :P Remember a 3 man WT auf E100 platoon on the day it was released.
Or use a year to grind out the Foch 155 and get it 2 weeks after it was nerfed to the ground, like me. :D

 

Your choice!

 

That really sucks!

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I mean, I have the T-62 and the 140, 121 is unlocked but not purchased.. but damn.

 

It's taking me everything to get the 430U and they want to shaft the gunnery department.

 

Would make a lot more sense to add a vehicle which is mediocre and gradually improve it as need basis. But I suppose getting people too hyped into doing just that - "Buying" their way to Tier X via free XP - gives more €€€.

 

Good old WG at the wheel. Nice to know some things just will never change.



Solstad1069 #38 Posted 23 April 2019 - 08:50 PM

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Most likely the 430U will stil be a great tank, com on its Russian they never nerf it to hard. It would be like kicking your own kitten.

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RNG has spread to the balance department by the looks of it.

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View PostStrizi, on 23 April 2019 - 03:57 PM, said:

The leopard is so bad why cant they just buff it without taking away something? And why the need to give it AP - they should keep apcr as standard and heat as premium. And still no dpm buff for E50M - its the only t10 that doesnt get a dpm upgrade over the t9, i hope it will get it later.

 

I'd rather have AP than APCR, everything else being even. APCR isn't better than AP, it's worse, because it has 2 degrees shell normalization where AP has 5, so AP pens better. It's just that APCR tends to have higher penetration values and higher shell speed. However the standard shell, which was APCR and now will be AP, gets MORE penetration so the former doesn't hold up. It does get some shell velocity reduction, but in trade we get 3 degrees better impact angle which benefits penetration even more.

 

edit: I forgot AP also has lower pen loss over distance than APCR.

 

I do agree with the sentiment though, I see the buffs and my first reaction isn't "Well that'll make the tank useful now." More alpha is nice, but the reduced load time is meh, 20 increased DPM is giggleworthy, and a 100 hp reduction on an already really vulnerable tank... it seems they insist on making the Leo a camptank, even though they believe they're making it a mobile and accurate fire platform, they seem to forget that their maps aren't suited to that.


Edited by Dorander, 23 April 2019 - 11:17 PM.






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