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Zylon0 #1 Posted 25 April 2019 - 05:50 AM

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The heaviest tank Russia has the Obj. 705A weighs 100 tons.

The Maus weighs an extra 89 tons at 188 something tons.

 

At least I assume Russia had super heavy tanks in WW2, at least on paper.

There must be some of you that know more about this?

 

Would there be players interested in playing super heavy Russian tanks?



1ncompetenc3 #2 Posted 25 April 2019 - 06:15 AM

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The heaviest USSR tank concept I can think of is T-42, and that's just barely over 100 tons even though it looks like it would be more at home in WoWS than WoT. I think the USSR may have had slightly more sense than nazi Germany.

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View PostZylon0, on 25 April 2019 - 05:50 AM, said:

The heaviest tank Russia has the Obj. 705A weighs 100 tons.

 

 

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Zylon0 #4 Posted 25 April 2019 - 07:10 AM

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When I imagen a Russian super heavy I think of the Object 279 early, but with even more armor.

But I am curious about what other monstrosities they had on paper.

 


Edited by Zylon0, 25 April 2019 - 07:10 AM.


DuncaN_101 #5 Posted 25 April 2019 - 07:23 AM

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How about never?
Do we need more ruski tanks in this game? Not in my opinion.

Cobra6 #6 Posted 25 April 2019 - 07:27 AM

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What do you mean? Most Russian Top tier heavies already have more *EFFECTIVE* armour then other super heavies. I mean the Defender is effectively an IS-7 (Tier 10) hull on tier 8. How much more armour do you want in this game, seriously?.....

 

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View PostCobra6, on 25 April 2019 - 08:27 AM, said:

What do you mean? Most Russian Top tier heavies already have more *EFFECTIVE* armour then other super heavies. I mean the Defender is effectively an IS-7 (Tier 10) hull on tier 8. How much more armour do you want in this game, seriously?.....

 

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the fact that IS-7 sides can be pen. with AP of T8 MT's.

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View PostDuncaN_101, on 25 April 2019 - 07:23 AM, said:

How about never?
Do we need more ruski tanks in this game? Not in my opinion.

 

This^^ Plenty of other nations in the game that could be expanded / reworked before introducing a new Russian (Super) Heavy line.

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View PostCobra6, on 25 April 2019 - 08:27 AM, said:

What do you mean? Most Russian Top tier heavies already have more *EFFECTIVE* armour then other super heavies. I mean the Defender is effectively an IS-7 (Tier 10) hull on tier 8. How much more armour do you want in this game, seriously?.....

 

My impression is that he only cares about actual weight, not armor.

 

After all russians already have two super-heavy tank branches.



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There are like 11 tech tree lines of the Russian tree, 16 Russian tier 10 tanks alone, 25 tier 8 Russian tanks, and like over 50 Russian premium or reward tanks in the game. 

 

We really don't need more IMO.



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3 tier X heavies, 4 tier X mediums, 2 tier X TDs, light line and arty line. How many more Russian tanks you want?

 

 

 

 

edit: And I didn't even talked about the premiums.


Edited by vasilinhorulezz, 25 April 2019 - 10:23 AM.


If_I_Die_You_Die_Too #12 Posted 25 April 2019 - 10:22 AM

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The WW2 Russian policy was mass production numbers, not size

Overwhelm the enemy by sheer weight of numbers

 

The German heavies were pursued because Uncle Adolf was keen on them



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Isn't that what the Object 430 and 430U are? :unsure:

FTR #14 Posted 25 April 2019 - 10:38 AM

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Well russian meds have better turrets than the maus so yeah..

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KV-4 and KV-5 say hi.

While I would like a KV-4 like tank at tier 9 and 10, I don't think it's a game priority at the moment. And with the IS-4 line being in list for buffs, you can grind that line if you like soviet heavy armour.



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View PostZylon0, on 25 April 2019 - 05:50 AM, said:

 

At least I assume Russia had super heavy tanks in WW2, at least on paper.

There must be some of you that know more about this?

 

They had, it was called the KV-4. The tank was designed to be made into production when Germany attacked Russia (KV-4 is a 1940 tank design). The guns were already made (the 107mm topgun is the historical gun for it), the tank not, but it was expected they could produce it when Germany attacked. The proper KV-4 design would been picked based on what germany would use (there were 30+ KV-4 designs in circulation, with a handful of favorites)

They didn't count on the Blitzkrieg tho & how effective it was, wrecking the old tank production facilities & the need to have a stopgap solution which was: throw every prototype we got at m -> tons of weird KV designs & derivates + support from their western allies in the form of churchill tanks & matildas and the like) until they found a way to cheaply produce tons of tanks in their newly erected productionfacilites in the Ural (this tank became the t-34)

 

And ofc, Russia was the home of older multi-turret superheavy tanks too, like the T-35 and the like, but they were obsolete when WW2 started (still used because: throw everything we got at them germans, even the obsolete stuff!).

Fun note, if you really want to drive a T-35 ingame, the SU-14 artilleries are based on the T-35 chassis (just stripped of all the turrets & replaced by a big gun -> 'Why need multiple guns? Just need one big gun!' )


Edited by UrQuan, 25 April 2019 - 11:08 AM.


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View Post1ncompetenc3, on 25 April 2019 - 06:15 AM, said:

The heaviest USSR tank concept I can think of is T-42, and that's just barely over 100 tons even though it looks like it would be more at home in WoWS than WoT. I think the USSR may have had slightly more sense than nazi Germany.

 

That weight is not due to armor tbh, as super heavy then would just be on the weight. As it had 90mm effective at the most iirc. Much like the T-35 that was massive, but had like 30mm.

 

But if you want to go fake... there is always this.

Spoiler

 


Edited by Balc0ra, 25 April 2019 - 12:00 PM.


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Russia actually had a billion of super-heavy tank designs even if we leave out the 30 different KV-4 variants; with that it would be possible not only to make one but two full super-heavy lines for Russians, one consisting KV-4s and other...well, we'll get there. Not to mention that we already have the Object 705A, which more or less is a super-heavy tank by itself (and so is it's little brother although it's significantly lighter).

 

Russia had probably the most ridiculous super-heavy designs out there. I mean, just look at this abomination:

 

T-39 super-heavy tank

 

4 turrets, two 45mm miniturrets, and two main turrets mounting either dual 107 mm or single 152 mm in each turret, with an alternative setup of 3x 45 mm and 1x 152 mm also being possible. It's as long as the Maus while being even taller than it, but has less armor than a T-150 which would've resulted it to weight "only" 90 tons. It makes the TOG and Japanese super-heavies look like well designed tanks. Unsurprisingly, the T-39 was never built.

 

And it gets even worse with the T-42...

 

It's like T-35 except even more retarded and literally twice as big as it - no known numbers of it's lenght exists but by comparing it to the ladders and the main gun (which, despite pretty small in the drawing, was actually a 107mm), the tank would've been very well as long as 15-18 metres (for comparison, TOG isn't even 11 metres).

 

And what kind of monsters would await at higher tiers? Oh boy...

 

VL super-heavy tank

 

Was meant to weight 260 tons, be over 12 metres long and 6 metres wide, mount dual 75 mm guns in miniturrets and either a 130 mm or a 305 mm naval gun in the main turret. Yes, a straight up battleship gun on a heavy tank. To make it even more hilarious, the armor was pretty thin (turret was apparently only 125 mm thick), though if it was implemented it most likely would receive serious armor buffs.

 

Similar to German Ratte, there even were ideas for +500 ton hyper tanks, but those would never ever have any hope of appearing outside from special gamemodes maybe.

 

Russian super-heavies are possible and while they are hilarious, I don't think we need them to the game, especially considering how hard they are to balance (and WG already struggled with less-extreme Japanese super-heavies). Not to mention they probably would need the multi-turret mechanism to function, which would be better used on French super-heavies, which are both more deserving (IMO) and bit easier to balance than these Russian abominations. KV-4 line is bit more realistic when it comes to balancing, but I feel like the Russian tech tree is big enough as it is. Other nations could use some more love first.


Edited by leggasiini, 25 April 2019 - 04:20 PM.


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You can always rely on Legga to know about big, ugly and heavy tanks :P

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View Posttajj7, on 25 April 2019 - 04:59 PM, said:

You can always rely on Legga to know about big, ugly and heavy tanks :P

 

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