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lnfernaI #1 Posted 25 April 2019 - 06:38 PM

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A lot of people imply that 121 right now is in a pretty bad position. I however,think otherwise. After the (let's assume they are finalized) proposed changes to bobjectMT's gun handling,the 121 will be in a better position,and it will leave the player a better,more free choice of a tank - either the bobjectMT for brawling or 121 for mobility, while keeping their guns almost at the same level (with the exception of 121 having more DPM, and bobjectMT's DPM lowered further).

 

However,I ain't buying the logic of people who claim it (the 121) needs buffs (unspecified). In my honest opinion, all it would require is a buff to it's accuracy and/or dispersion. It's main buffs that had actual effect on gameplay, were those long time ago, wherein it's gun depression was changed (-3 > -3.5 > -5), which made the tank more workable (although not as much as you may think I imply,but it was very beneficial).

 

The second point of mine raises the everflowing question of WoT's universal balance - which is to say, people generally arguing about both bad tanks and good tanks. I think they fully do not understand the whole balance thing. In my opinion, if tanks were only good, the game would be either boring, or repetitive, but if it had only bad tanks, the game would most likely be unplayable; although the problem with these approaches, is that looking at them superficially, is simply the fact that it's next to impossible to balance tanks in a black & white model to suit every single, possible player, who might express their feelings toward them.


Edited by lnfernaI, 25 April 2019 - 06:39 PM.


Yaccay #2 Posted 25 April 2019 - 07:33 PM

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The current usefulness of 121.

source: http://wot-news.com/game/tankinfo/en/eu/china/Ch19_121

 

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lnfernaI #3 Posted 25 April 2019 - 10:58 PM

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View PostYaccay, on 25 April 2019 - 08:33 PM, said:

The current usefulness of 121.

source: http://wot-news.com/game/tankinfo/en/eu/china/Ch19_121

 

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meh,doesn't concern me. 

WindSplitter1 #4 Posted 25 April 2019 - 11:21 PM

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I have this tank unlocked.

 

The WZ-120 grind was atrocious. From 55% to 45%... Pathetic. Until you get the top 122mm, you're fodder, though of course, I'm nowhere as skilled as you are.

 

T-54/55 chassis = Turret sent to Earth's Lower Orbit, frontal fires, dead driver, etc. I suspect the 121 is no different. They're based on the same vehicle, correct? So I don't see how it would be better than, say the 113.

 

I do agree with your thesis and I'm not sure why did the hamster gave his seal to a well-written post but I suppose the 121 just is not very fitting at the moment. I tried it on the CTS. While a GH/accuracy improvements would be welcomed, the tank does fine without it.



depressed_jellyfish #5 Posted 25 April 2019 - 11:22 PM

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Wanna buff 121? Slap a hammer and sickle  in a side of the turret and voilà!

That's how it works, right? :)

I've played it in test server and still don't know what is wrong with it.

Bucifel #6 Posted 26 April 2019 - 12:00 AM

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121 wont be in a better position untill that moronic 430u dont get some RELEVANT parameter WORSE than 121 (because accuracy in current game is not relevant, especally at values what those 2 tanks shows)

 

121 have 0,13 dispersions on moving and 0.12 on turret wich is 0,01 better than NERFED 430u ( only on hull)

aim tme is SAME after NERF. 2.7 for both

 

can you call it balance?? when OP ARMOR is still here?? WITH NO WEAKPONTS??

 

even with proper weak cupolas..armor is stil FAR SUPERIOR on 430

so...where is balance or this "something" what can make 121 relevant??

 

like i said on other posts...something signifiant will be -3 gun depression for 430u along wth armor nerfs and proper weakponts

 

121 is fine...do not need buffs

but 430 NEEDS MORE NERFS !

 

*also ob 140 needs its old turret with more PROPER WEAKPOINTS !


Edited by Bucifel, 26 April 2019 - 12:05 AM.


lnfernaI #7 Posted 26 April 2019 - 07:27 AM

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View PostWindSplitter1, on 26 April 2019 - 12:21 AM, said:

I do agree with your thesis and I'm not sure why did the hamster gave his seal to a well-written post but I suppose the 121 just is not very fitting at the moment. I tried it on the CTS. While a GH/accuracy improvements would be welcomed, the tank does fine without it.

I do not need people like hamster or anyone else to agree or disagree with me, just want to hear them out.

 

121 is based off the T-62A,I am pretty sure. The armor works, but only at range.

View Postdepressed_jellyfish, on 26 April 2019 - 12:22 AM, said:

I've played it in test server and still don't know what is wrong with it.

Well that is the problem. People do not know what they want changed. They always argue about ''nerf tank X,buff tank Y'',but almost never go into details.

 

 



tajj7 #8 Posted 26 April 2019 - 08:31 AM

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View PostBucifel, on 25 April 2019 - 11:00 PM, said:

121 is fine...

 

*also ob 140 needs its old turret with more PROPER WEAKPOINTS !

 

121 is clearly not fine, as the above win rate curve shows.

 

The Obj. 140 has two cupola weakspots and its certainly does not need any nerfs right now as its not exactly performing strongly either -

 

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As for the 121, never played it aside from on test, but essentially the main issue I see with it is probably the too high aim time and the fact its got heavium power to weight.

 

So I'd give it some of the characteristics of the 121B, i.e -

 

  • 750 HP engine from the 113 for 19 hp/ton
  • 0.10 turret dispersion
  • Aim time down to about 2.3 - 2.4s
  • Reverse speed to 25 kph

 

Then compared to the 430U it would very clearly be the faster, more mobile, better gun handling version of the 430U. 

 

You can't buff the gun handling too far IMO because it still has 440 alpha, good DPM, good AP pen and you'd be encroaching too much on the nato meds. 

 

 


Edited by tajj7, 26 April 2019 - 08:42 AM.


Bucifel #9 Posted 26 April 2019 - 04:03 PM

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while i completely agree that 121 can get some minor buffs i still think thats not completely necessary.

 

because like i said...the main reason why 121 is useless and so bad is only one : 430u

thats the only reason...without this 121 is just decent.

 

and considering that game is already WAAY OVERTUNED i prefer everytime more nerfs to 430 instead of buffs for 121

 

anyway...even with your proposed buffs 121 is still useless untill 430u gets PROPER WEAKPOINTS.

this just makes easily more than half of the entire balance


Edited by Bucifel, 26 April 2019 - 04:04 PM.





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