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sanyix06_Gamer_iron #1 Posted 25 April 2019 - 08:57 PM

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In this version, we have taken much more into account, tier precision, and strength, and we have striven for balancera compared to the other tanks already in play, and we have adapted the Hungarian tanks and wheeled vehicles to them.
 
We have researched and become the result, much more tanks have been built into the wood compared to the previous versions (which probably existed, but if we look at the tanks played by wargaming, we could find an infinite number of Hungarian tanks, but somewhere in realism and we are between fiction, but more towards realism), and wheeled vehicles have also appeared in the tree, which have also been well worked out, and behind them there are deep research and solid facts.
 
I think there was a lot of effort we have invested in this whole, if I only see the community and interest that our "workmanship" has created.

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Corrupted_Pling #2 Posted 25 April 2019 - 09:09 PM

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No thank you.

Most of these tanks are just rip offs from other countries tanks



etody77 #3 Posted 26 April 2019 - 08:50 AM

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Another copy of russian tech tree?

DuncaN_101 #4 Posted 26 April 2019 - 09:36 AM

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Well good job on doing the research at least
but I think there are other things WG needs to be doing first.

Gardar7 #5 Posted 26 April 2019 - 09:37 AM

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Copy? Ripoff? This tech tree has only one copy, which is the T-55. All the others are unique and interesting tanks. I think Hungarian tech tree would be much more interesting and unique than Chinese or Polish for example. I totally support the idea. 

arthurwellsley #6 Posted 26 April 2019 - 10:13 AM

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A gamer called Life_in_Black did a Hungarian tree back in 2013 with quite alot of work. It was all posted up on SilentStalkers world of tanks fan website For the Record. But we cannot now link to that site from here because SilentStalker later went to work for another gaming house, producing a tank game.

 

Some of the Hungarian tanks are native designs after their Toldi's had been in action against T-34 and KV1

 

From that For the Record here is some of what was written about Hungarian tanks (clearly someone else's work not mine);

44TM TAS

"By 1943 two things were clear to everyone, except possibly the biggest optimists: the first one was that the Germans are in deep trouble in Russia – and the second one was that Hungarian armor is no longer capable of taking care of the newest Soviet tanks, appearing en masse on the battlefields of Russia. Especially the swarms of T-34 tanks plagued the tired Hungarian tankers, who tried to hold them off with their 40mm equipped Turáns (that alone was quite a feat by itself).

In May 1943, a German delegation led by general Leeb did visit Hungary, to inspect the state of Hungarian armor development and to share some knowledge, gained from the fighting. The result was a joint project offer from the Germans to work on certain vehicles. In German eyes, Hungary would manufacture and supply certain parts, which would then be assembled in Germany and exported back to Hungary. Needless to say, Hungarian officers were not very happy about this – from an independent nation, Hungary would become totally dependent on German supplies (and will), when it came to armor. That was unacceptable for two reasons: one was bad experiences with German cooperation (Turán production was delayed several times in the past due to shortages of German equipment), second was that with such a program, Hungary would effectively become Germany’s vassal state. Hungarians scrapped this idea immediately.

Earlier that year (in April 1943), Hungarian committee, led by colonel Nádas, visited Germany and inspected some of the armor factories. They witnessed the Panther and Tiger production and were impressed. However, by that time, the mass production of Tigers and Panthers was effectively just started, the vehicles suffered from several flaws (which were rectified only later) and it was also clear that Hungarian armor industry is in no shape to license-produce Panthers or Tigers, those tanks were simply way too sophisticated. Another idea of the committee was to actually license-produce the Panzer IV (with which the Hungarian crews were relatively happy). This too was turned down, because the army staff argued that Panzer IV is not THAT much better than Hungary’s current tanks and it’s simply not worth doing.

These endless talks led the army to commission the development of an entirely new and locally built heavy tank from Hungarian components. It was named “Tas” (possibly after a Hungarian warlord from 9th century) and designed in cooperation with the Weiss Manfréd company, that was also supposed to be responsible for its production. It was loosely based on the Turán construction and on the paper, it was actually pretty good. Massive welded frontal armor (100-120mm sloped) paired with a powerful gun (75mm KwK L/70) made a powerful combination. Two types of guns were actually planned: the original German-built KwK 42 from Panther and a Hungarian developed 43M 75mm gun. The vehicle was propelled by two 260hp Turán engines and manned by a crew of five (resembling the Panther).

Tas was introduced to the Honvédség command staff on 30.7.1943, with August reserved for partial improvements. The army approved the building of two prototypes – one made from classical (non-armor) steel and one completely armored. The mild steel prototype was built first in the first half of 1944 in the Weiss Manfréd company, but it was never finished. Allegedly, the hull was ready with transmission and engine installed and the project was waiting for a turret, when the factory was bombed on 27.7.1944 by Americans. The prototype was completely destroyed. The development was moved to the Ganz factory, where the already manufactured parts were redirected to. It is unknown what happened from July to December with these parts, but in December 1944, all development and manufacture in the factory was stopped – and that was the end of the project, which was not pursued further."

Good looking tank (in my view).

 

He concludes;

 

"44M Tas is tier 7 material. Although classified as a “heavy” tank, it is lighter than the medium Panther and definitely nowhere near as heavy as the Tiger. As you can see, it is more heavily armored than the Panther, but lacks its sophisticated weaponry and most likely optics too. What we have here is a medium/heavy hybrid. While its firepower would be quite low for tier 7 (150mm pen, unless it gets some unhistorical gun), the nicely angled armor would allow it to actually hold its own. The engines are a problem, but historically, Hungarians negotiated with Germans over purchasing the HL230 700hp Panther D engines. With 700hp, this 38 ton vehicle would have a decent mobility, compensating for the gun. I can see it working, possibly as a brawler."

 


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DonIgor86 #7 Posted 26 April 2019 - 05:12 PM

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Hungarian tech tree:
-12 episode
-Only Hungarian language :( 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yP_t1OqPFw8&list=PLfR0_Oj23u0kyXXHeWYBQx0bzBo41j9oL 
 

shikaka9 #8 Posted 26 April 2019 - 05:17 PM

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people over here are very allergic to rip off tanks :)

Mr_Beefy #9 Posted 26 April 2019 - 06:03 PM

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The more tank in game, the merrier.

I am not a purist, I don't care if a tank introduced to the client is original, really made, drawn on a dinner napkin after a drunken binge, or whatever.

 



994250 #10 Posted 26 April 2019 - 07:34 PM

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I would be more than happy to see a Hungarian tech tree in the game imho.
But let's be honest here.

Pszh refers to 'P'áncélozott 'SZ'álító 'H'arcjármű, aka Armored Personel Carrier.
I doubt the armor would be enough against tier 3 tanks, let alone tier x.

Perhaps a single line could work, with actual tanks.

the_nebuchadnezzar #11 Posted 26 April 2019 - 07:44 PM

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Attila's army had horses not tanks. 

Bordhaw #12 Posted 26 April 2019 - 07:47 PM

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View Postsanyix06_Gamer_iron, on 25 April 2019 - 07:57 PM, said:

In this version, we have taken much more into account, tier precision, and strength, and we have striven for balancera compared to the other tanks already in play, and we have adapted the Hungarian tanks and wheeled vehicles to them.
 
I think there was a lot of effort we have invested in this whole, if I only see the community and interest that our "workmanship" has created.

 



sanyix06_Gamer_iron #13 Posted 29 April 2019 - 02:49 PM

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View Postthe_nebuchadnezzar, on 26 April 2019 - 07:44 PM, said:

Attila's army had horses not tanks. 

 

What?!Hungary did not fight with horses in World War II. Learn history.

DuncaN_101 #14 Posted 29 April 2019 - 03:03 PM

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Even the Germans used horses.... Just not as fighting units. Learn history?

vonBrumi #15 Posted 29 April 2019 - 03:50 PM

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View Postsanyix06_Gamer_iron, on 29 April 2019 - 02:49 PM, said:

 

What?!Hungary did not fight with horses in World War II. Learn history.

 

We even had a Fast Division equipped with bicycles!!!





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