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Acartes's Photo Acartes 20 Aug 2012

Where is the T5 light scout?
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Pichu_Trainer's Photo Pichu_Trainer 21 Aug 2012

View Postraziekaine, on 19 August 2012 - 06:02 PM, said:

Tier x td will likely be fv215  or fv4005.  25 pounder arty will need to be around tier 4.

Firefly is going to be a medium in the tree not gold. This tree was proven out of date before Christmas.

The firefly I predict will be a bridge between the med and td tree or part of a second medium line or less likely just a detour branch of the medium line like the kv-2.
Fireflys are Medium weight Tank Hunters so i'd say a Tier 6 Medium Tank Hunter
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Rifles60's Photo Rifles60 22 Aug 2012

So  is the Bishop going to have the 25 pdr gun on it with the Valentine Chassis?
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mr3awsome's Photo mr3awsome 22 Aug 2012

View Postsaml6131, on 19 August 2012 - 11:21 AM, said:

Yeah, didn't Overlord say a while ago that there was supposed to be an updated news release about the British? I doubt this is it, and I hope that we won't have to wait until a few weeks after 0.8.0 is released to get any more information.
And where he said it is somewhere in Overlord's Q&A (390-410 area)
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arthurwellsley's Photo arthurwellsley 22 Aug 2012

So the Americans provide the British with Shermans, and the British deploy approximately 17,000 in europe in 1944 (incidentally the Americans gave 4,000 to the Russians). Thus it is one of the most numerous tanks held by the British army. Of that 17,000 the British converted approximately 2,200 to the Firefly upgrade.

In comparison the Germans built about 6,000 Panthers during the whole war, and 1,347 Tiger I, and 492 Tiger II.  The Russians produced approximately 35,000 T34 and 5,000 KV variants, and 3,854 IS-2, 2,311 IS-3, 250 IS-4.

Given the sheer volume of Fireflys shouldn't they be in the main part of the tree?

PS If the Firefly is not a premium, can we have a Sherman "Tulip" as the premium instead?

"Despite this, the Firefly's increased firepower was much valued, and during many engagements, the Firefly proved its worth, knocking out Tigers and Panthers at long range, as well as less formidable tanks like the Mark IVs and StuGs.
One example of this increased firepower was displayed by Lt. G. K. Henry's Firefly during the defense of Norrey-en-Bessin on 9 June against an attack by the 3rd Company of the 12th SS Panzer Regiment of the 12th SS Panzer Division. Determined to capture the town in preparation for a larger offensive to drive the British and Canadians back into the sea, Kurt Meyer ordered an attack by 12 Panthers of the 3rd Company and infantry to attack Norrey-en-Bessin and drive the Canadians out of the town. The attack got under way at 1300 hours with the Panthers racing to the town at full speed only to stop to fire their guns, quickly outrunning their infantry support which was forced to the ground by Allied artillery fire. Within 1,000 m (1,100 yd) of the town, nine Shermans of the 1st Hussars opened fire into the advancing Panthers' flanks. Lt. Henry's gunner, Trooper A. Chapman, waited until the Panthers "lined up like ducks in a row" and quickly knocked out five with just six rounds. The attack was repulsed with the loss of seven of the 12 Panthers.[14]
A similar example occurred on 14 June, during Operation Perch. Sgt. Harris of the 4th/7th Dragoon Guards, along with three standard Shermans, set up defensive positions along with the infantry after successfully driving out the Germans in the village of Lingèvres, near Tilly-sur-Seulles. Looking through his binoculars, Sgt. Harris spotted two Panthers advancing from the east. He opened fire at a range of 800 metres (870 yd), knocking out the lead Panther with his first shot, and the second Panther with his second. Relocating to a new position on the other side of the town, he spotted another three Panthers approaching from the west. From his well-concealed flanking position, he and his gunner, Trooper Mackillop, eliminated all three with just three rounds. Harris and his gunner had knocked out five Panthers with as many rounds, demonstrating the potency of the Firefly, especially when firing from a defensive position on advancing enemy tanks.[6]
In perhaps its most famous action, a group of four Tiger tanks from the 3rd Company and HQ Company, '101st SS Heavy Tank Battalion supported by several Panzer IV tanks and StuG IV assault guns were ambushed by Fireflies from A Squadron, 1st Northamptonshire Yeomanry, 33rd Armoured Brigade, A Squadron, the Sherbrooke Fusilier Regiment, 2nd Canadian Armoured Brigade and B Squadron, The 144th Regiment Royal Armoured Corps, 33rd Armoured Brigade.[1][2][6][15][16] Tanks of the 1st Northamptonshire Yeomanry and elements of the 51st (Highland) Division reached the French village of Saint-Aignan-de-Cramesnil on the morning of 8 August 1944 during Operation Totalize.[17][18][19] While B Squadron stayed around the village, A and C Squadrons moved further south into a wood called Delle de la Roque.[20] C Squadron positioned themselves on the east side of the woods and the understrength A Squadron in the southern portion with No. 3 Troop on the western edge of the wood.[17][18][20] From this position, they overlooked a large open section of ground and were able to watch as German tanks advanced up Route nationale 158 from the town of Cintheaux. Under strict orders from the troop commander, they held their fire until the German tanks were well within range. Ekins, the gunner of Sergeant Gordon's Sherman Firefly (Velikye Luki - A Squadrons tanks were named after towns in the Soviet Union) had yet to fire his gun in action.[20] With the Tiger tanks in range, the order was given to fire. What followed was an almost 12 minute battle that saw Ekins destroying all three Tigers that No. 3 Troop could see; there were actually seven Tiger tanks in the area heading north along with some other tanks and self propelled guns.[17][18] A short time later, the main German counterattack was made in the direction of C Squadron. A Squadron (less Sgt Gordon who had been wounded and had already bailed out of the Firefly) moved over to support them and in the resulting combat, Ekins destroyed a Panzer IV before his tank was hit and the crew were forced to bail out.[20] One of the Tigers Ekins is credited with knocking out was that of Michael Wittmann, though there is still some controversy over whether Ekins really killed Wittman, as Sherman Fireflys of the Sherbrooke Fusilier Regiment also fired at the Tigers from a closer range of 150 m (160 yd)."
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mr3awsome's Photo mr3awsome 22 Aug 2012

Firefly is tier 6 Medium
See this thread for info we know
http://forum.worldof...r-updated-5412/
Edited by mr3awsome, 22 August 2012 - 02:44 PM.
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JonG's Photo JonG 22 Aug 2012

View Postmr3awsome, on 22 August 2012 - 02:43 PM, said:

Firefly is tier 6 Medium
See this thread for info we know
http://forum.worldof...r-updated-5412/

It's not in the official tree so at this moment I don't think it will be a tier 6 medium. And it doesn't matter what Overlord said, because WG tend to change things on the last minute. I'll believe Firefly is researchable when the FULL tree is released.
Edited by JonG, 22 August 2012 - 03:47 PM.
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mr3awsome's Photo mr3awsome 22 Aug 2012

It will be. Otherwise WG will some angry customers
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sOsMadCat's Photo sOsMadCat 03 Sep 2012

I hope the British Tanks will come soon.
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mr3awsome's Photo mr3awsome 03 Sep 2012

Soon TM
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SushiLockhart's Photo SushiLockhart 09 Sep 2012

They should make the sherman firefly a non premium. I as well as a lot of people are great fans of that tank, making us have to pay gold for it is kinda of a game dev. its THE tank that went against THE tanks of germany. you don't see panther and tigers as premium tanks now do you. This is really a "don't piss off your fanbase" kind of moment tho and it'll show whether the devs are selfish or faithful.

Basically don't put the most successful tank of the brits as limited to gold buyers or you'll have a lot of hate :/
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mr3awsome's Photo mr3awsome 09 Sep 2012

It's been confirmed as a Tier6 re searchable Medium Tank
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rama_man's Photo rama_man 11 Sep 2012

Any suggestions what british SPG's could be similar to - probably like the american SPG's with low accuracy but great splashing?
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raziekaine's Photo raziekaine 11 Sep 2012

fast, accurate, low damage.  Chances are a lot will be on heavy tank chassis eg. churchill gun carrier
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