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superdashi #1 Posted 29 April 2019 - 02:39 PM

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Well, 

 

i just made some matches with the STRV S1 and the UDES. I think they are basically broken :-P

I wanted them cause they were unique with that extreme angled armor and siege mode. Nice. But playing them leaves me sobered somehow. I think it's the armor which doesn't fit here in this scenario. It's angeled like hell, but nearly everthing still penetrates.

Thing is, once you are open, you are dead with your low 1000 HP. You get tracked often, which means, that you can do nothing. No turret to turn, not even your gun can move a degree. On top of that, you are in siege mode. Arty says "Woooooohooooooooo".

Siege mode means to me, it is like a fortress. You can't move, you are a rock. And actually, they are not. Yeah, i've read the mechanics about the auto bounce etc. Just doesn't happen to often, cause they all have big guns, right? 

I would suggest a major buff to the armor of these thingys. If you get a nice spot, go into siege behind a hill crest, only arty should be able to kill or damage you or you get flanked. Frontally, these TDs should be way more durable. 

Just my 2 cents



 



NUKLEAR_SLUG #2 Posted 29 April 2019 - 02:42 PM

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UDES is basically autopen but the STRV will bounce some shots. Really only the higher tier cheese wedges can reliably bounce rounds tho.

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the tier 9 and 10 are extremely bouncy, you'll be surprised at how you can fight heavies face on and win. The s1 is okay for armour but the UDES can be pen'd by anything. 

 

The tier 10 is also able to stop 150MM+ guns in the right situation. 



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View PostNUKLEAR_SLUG, on 29 April 2019 - 02:42 PM, said:

UDES is basically autopen but the STRV will bounce some shots. Really only the higher tier cheese wedges can reliably bounce rounds tho.

 

Yep. UDES' 20 all around vs STRV's 30 all around ain't bouncing other than lower tier mediums (with few even tier and handful of higher tier).

 

You need to use their mobility and camo to be effective. Plan your approach, avoid to be spotted early, and put the DPM and pen to use on distracted enemies. Paint and camo skill are useful. Best is when enemy has more immediate conserns to take a shot on you. Don't forget that UDES can "kneel" over some obstacles giving only small strip of hull to shoot against, very useful in some situations. I usually played quite aggressively, both UDES and t9 STRV, so I can say that doesn't always work. Nevertheless, high camo and siege mode give these tanks many surprisingly effective places to use, that other TDs cannot use. 

 

Sadly I have no UDES replays left, but if you want I can drop couple STRV 103-0 replays.



baribal_80 #5 Posted 29 April 2019 - 02:56 PM

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They are balanced now. If they were unpenetrable in no arty games I'd simply sit in a ridge and DPM people with prem ACPR with no risk of getting hit back. 

If_I_Die_You_Die_Too #6 Posted 29 April 2019 - 03:02 PM

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S1 is a great little unit

 

I got one at the recent sales because I was never sure about "siege mode" and now I would rate it as one of the best TDs you can get

 

Has it's own unique game play style, good camo and can bounce stuff

That tier X gun is a peach



Geno1isme #7 Posted 29 April 2019 - 03:02 PM

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Thing with the autobounce armor is that you really need to know the caliber your enemy is using:

- UDES with 20mm armor can autobounce up to caliber 60mm, so maybe a few T6 lights (but that's why you get extreme camo and the highest-penetration at T8)

- S1 with 30mm armor can autobounce up to caliber 90mm, so quite a few T8 meds and many lights

- Strv-103-0 with 40mm armor can bounce up to caliber 120mm, so most mediums+lights and some heavies

- Strv-103b with 50mm armor can bounce up to caliber 150mm, so almost everything short of some superheavies and TDs.

 

Also the armor only works when a) you're actually facing the enemy at th correct angle, b) he doesn't manage to hit the weaker parts of the armor and c) he is using AP or APCR (HE and HEAT have different penetration mechanics).

 

View Postsuperdashi, on 29 April 2019 - 03:39 PM, said:

Siege mode means to me, it is like a fortress. You can't move, you are a rock.

 

And that's where you're completely wrong. Siege mode means you deploy to actually use the full potential of your gun, it has nothing to do with armor.



JCD3nton #8 Posted 29 April 2019 - 03:04 PM

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Only feedback I could give is that UDES should be the premium one.

baribal_80 #9 Posted 29 April 2019 - 03:11 PM

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View PostJCD3nton, on 29 April 2019 - 02:04 PM, said:

Only feedback I could give is that UDES should be the premium one.

 

Naah. It's too much fun. The gun elevation thing is awesome if you know how to abuse it.

 

Funny thing is udes has a few 30mm areas. Was surprised when it bounced 4 shells from my t7 leo.



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View PostJCD3nton, on 29 April 2019 - 06:04 PM, said:

Only feedback I could give is that UDES should be the premium one.

 

And lose this laser accuracy and that bit of extra camo. Come on man, are you trying to kill us? :)

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View Postsuperdashi, on 29 April 2019 - 02:39 PM, said:

I would suggest a major buff to the armor of these thingys. If you get a nice spot, go into siege behind a hill crest, only arty should be able to kill or damage you or you get flanked. Frontally, these TDs should be way more durable.

Clearly they don't need a buff, as they already have mobility, laser accuracy, OP camo and enough armor. Loads of tanks with 445+ view-range have very small change to out-spot these td's and you need to get really close to finally spot them.. oh wait.. IF you manage to survive long enough to actually get there :facepalm:


Edited by BlackBloodBandit, 29 April 2019 - 03:24 PM.


TungstenHitman #12 Posted 29 April 2019 - 03:37 PM

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Well the UDES is very mobile, I guess that's why it's the least armored and I guess the idea is you're supposed to use that superior mobility to drive away from trouble and keep things ranged or use that mobility to relocate before trouble reaches you. Problem with that approach is the exit time from siege mode to travel mode is too slow and doesn't really offer that option should you get spotted so I'd say keep it the way it is, a mobile glass cannon, but knock .5 of a second from Siege->Travel.

If_I_Die_You_Die_Too #13 Posted 29 April 2019 - 03:41 PM

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Plus you can go backwards at virtually full speed if needed

 

amazing



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UDES 'low' 1000 HP only when you're not top tier ... just saying.  That little beast can annoy anyone if it's top of the tree, just needs to be played a bit more carefully when you're down the bottom of the list.

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View PostIf_I_Die_You_Die_Too, on 29 April 2019 - 02:02 PM, said:

S1 is a great little unit

 

I got one at the recent sales because I was never sure about "siege mode" and now I would rate it as one of the best TDs you can get

 

Has it's own unique game play style, good camo and can bounce stuff

That tier X gun is a peach

 

as above

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View Postsuperdashi, on 29 April 2019 - 02:39 PM, said:

Well, 

 

i just made some matches with the STRV S1 and the UDES. I think they are basically broken :-P
 

 

It's not the tanks which are broken it's the overmatch mechanics.  Anything with 3x the calibre of your armour thickness will go through no matter what the angle it hits at.

 

WG wanted to change the overmatch mechanic but there was an outcry by people who have got used to abusing the broken system.

 

Instead they gave them ridiculous levels of stealth.

 

And this is why WG should not listen.



superdashi #17 Posted 29 April 2019 - 06:02 PM

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Never mind the 1000 HP, i totaly forgot it was tier 8 we were talking about :)

Maybe it's different for tier 10, i don't know. I haven't researched the tier 10 gun on the UDES anyways. However, i was experiencing a situation where i was totaly digged in with my UDES or STRV (Can't recall really) behind a little crest. My angle must have been something like flat earth. Shot an IS3, he arcade shot back and hit me at the very top of my frontal armor some 30 cm left of my gun and penetrated with AP. I moved back some more cause obviously, i was still vulnerable. Then switched to travel mode, arty hit me in thos 2 secs. 20 HP left, tracks destroyed like always. 

And that should not be able. Siege mode is siege mode. I don't care really if this gun is laser acurate, or if it has a tier 10 gun. Siege mode and extreme angle means, it should be a little more durable than actually no armor at all. That's what i'm saying.

Edited by superdashi, 29 April 2019 - 06:02 PM.


WindSplitter1 #18 Posted 29 April 2019 - 09:08 PM

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I have an S1,

 

My stats are quite depressing at it... 44%. Tch... So poor.

 

Most of my shots miss on it and I have no idea why. Tried toggling server side reticle on and off, dynamic camera, waiting a couple seconds to settle down. Nothing. Armour is good. But if I could make the gun work, I'd more easily digest those 44%... I'm open to advice....



If_I_Die_You_Die_Too #19 Posted 29 April 2019 - 09:46 PM

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My stats are quite depressing at it... 44%. Tch... So poor

 

32% but I'm often last man standing kinda thing

Held up 4 of the enemy for the entire game last time out and killed at least one trying to flank me and bounced at least three shots from a progetto alone

 

It's a good loners tank, no-one ever really bothers you if you're in one of those funny looking cheese wedge things

Can also do second line support with it, that gun can spank

 

A STRV is surprisingly flexible and does good ridge work too

 

I would describe it as a good alternative to a scorpion G and more fun than an amx105 or a WZ120


Edited by If_I_Die_You_Die_Too, 29 April 2019 - 09:50 PM.


jack_timber #20 Posted 30 April 2019 - 06:59 AM

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At least STRV line have armour, well sloped, where as UDES can be penned with a 'toffee hammer'.

But what all have are exceptional camo, view range and a very nice gun, so dig in and use these.

I often, on the right map if bottom tier, act as spotter biggest problem if trigger finger can get some what itchy...

I rather like UDES although at times it don't like me!

 

 

 






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