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Dava_117 #1 Posted 30 April 2019 - 10:24 AM

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Hi all forumites.

With frontline I got enough exp on T-44 to unlock T-54 or Obj430.

Liking armoured tanks I decided to unlock and buy the last one.

I tried to play it as a fast HT, but got disappointed to see that armour is far from reliable. Apart from the overmatch zone on the hull I was aware of, the whole hull appears to be an easy pen even for some tier 7!

The turret was the most disappointing part: I get penned regularly by high pen HEAT round and even by some relatively low pen AP shells (like 50 120 105mm gun). The sad part is that I'm not getting penned on weakspots or in the overmatchable turret roof, but on the frontal, 250mm part, even quite far from the center.

So, considering how derpy the gun is and the fact that the only way you can bounce something is by bullying tier 7 MTs or pray RNGJesus, how am I supposed to play this tank? I really can't figure out.

I will be able to post some replay later if needed.

Thank you in advance.



xtrem3x #2 Posted 30 April 2019 - 10:29 AM

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It sounds like you heard it was OP so when you played it you over extended. It's an easy mistake to make.

Either play it as a slow med or support the heavies. Don't brawl so much but be there with them to shoot tanks that are shooting at others.



Dava_117 #3 Posted 30 April 2019 - 10:34 AM

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View Postxtrem3x, on 30 April 2019 - 10:29 AM, said:

It sounds like you heard it was OP so when you played it you over extended. It's an easy mistake to make.

Either play it as a slow med or support the heavies. Don't brawl so much but be there with them to shoot tanks that are shooting at others.

 

That may be true. I never considered 430 OP, as I dealt with them quite easily. But indeed expected more from a tank known for it's armour. Will try your suggested tactic. :)

HerrWizo #4 Posted 30 April 2019 - 11:09 AM

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Same rule applies as to basically all tanks: don't overextend, don't go anywhere alone, don't overestimate your or tank's abilities.

 

It is a truly remarkable tier 9 tank which can do wonders if you play it with at some caution like you would normally do.



Suurpolskija #5 Posted 30 April 2019 - 11:14 AM

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It's a medium tank. Not even the "heviums" can rely on their armor, so why should a medium tank? 

 

The turret is good and the gun is ok and you get the occasional bounce from the hull, but you shouldn't expect it. 



USMV_mc #6 Posted 30 April 2019 - 02:12 PM

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WoT is nerfing 430's in the new patch.. So I read on NA.

XxKuzkina_MatxX #7 Posted 30 April 2019 - 02:15 PM

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It's not armored enough to tank shells from the enemies you often meet. Except that 100mm french gun (232mm AP), a Skorpion will have a relatively good chance of going through the turret front with AP, many tier 8 heavies will do the same with gold.

 

Forget about the armor unless you're fighting a tank with low pen and don't snipe either because this gun is so bad at that. Try to find an intermediate range to fight from without getting too close or being way back. On some maps it's easy to do that, like city maps, Murovanka, Pilsen, etc. but on open maps with a lot of space it's hard to get in a good position with 5º of gun depression and inaccurate gun.

 

You might find it a good idea to join a pack of heavies and help, fighting heavies in this tank isn't a bad thing to do provided you let your allies tank the shots.



DeadLecter #8 Posted 30 April 2019 - 02:29 PM

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Well at first I also had bad experience with it because I thought the armor was great.

But then I changed my approach. I now play along side medium tanks in close range, I go to shoot when they are on reload.

You can bully lower tiers, when you are charging towards an enemy move in zig zag direction.

It is not the best tier 9 tank in my opinion, but it is extremely powerful. In fact all T9 MTs are powerful in my opinion. But 430 has no grind at all. That is what makes this tank such a pleasure. The gun is really good, the armor is ok-ish.

My stats are close to 2400 damage, almost 58% WR and 750 average blocked damage. I had better average damage in AMX 30 but then again AMX 30 is an amazing tank.

430 is super scary when you know how to play it. I have seen people get over 3k average damage in it which is just in sane.

Oh and I forgot to say, when I bought AMX 30, I put a 5 skill crew in it but my crew in 430 is the same crew I got from SU 130pm. It had only BiA and no skill at all. I trained it to 80% and now after 118 battles I finally have full repair on all crew and 6th sense. So this should say something about how good 430 is.


Edited by DeadLecter, 30 April 2019 - 02:40 PM.


TungstenHitman #9 Posted 30 April 2019 - 02:46 PM

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Now can you imagine how trash it would be if WG went head with those illogical nerfs on this tank? It was going to stand to have an even more potato gun, bad soft stats AND a really slow turret traverse. I like it because it has a 390 alpha gun, looks great imo and has some camo that keeps it from being noticed as fast as the camo-less heavy tanks are, which is useful as you make your way to locations where you will want to be getting in someones face as the gun would suggest it should.

 

It's gruff and lacks any sort of finesse so you can't play it with the freedom of some other meds which have better mobility and better handling guns which support a more skill and precise sort of playstyle. The catch with the other T9 meds is they have uber long grinds and are generally hideous to play during these grinds with the non-top modules whereas the 430 comes in almost as a fully top module tank from stock. The 430 is a brute, that's it's playstyle but it's armor as you discovered, is not a conventional design and it's not really something you can use for some level of predictable blocking unlike a T-54 for example where you know you can effectively present your conventional designed front armor to side scrape and block. 430 leaks shots without any obvious predictability so it best kept jiggling and wiggling it between shots. It seems better at blocking shots that it shouldn't block than shots that it should block if that makes sense. It's a bit snookered with it's premium ammo too during some battles. It's generally always in a T9+T10 fight and most maps are front vs front encounters so you'll be eating HE bombs from a Japanese SuperH or Polish heavy or big lump TD like a JP E100 or a hull down SuperQ or getting HEAT spammed by other zippy meds that can peak a boo like a boss while you've got leaky unpredictable armor, a slower med and premium ammo pen than can't pen anything solid lumbering at you, nor the gun handling to reliably pick out cupolas. When it's top tier or against mostly tanks it can pen, it can turn into a beast. Obviously with it failings you're going to want to chose your targets and not mess around with the iron clads for as long as possible, not always possible but there's usually always tanks you can pen and give big problems too, like a B-C that panic shot your tank without aiming as you rumbled into to face hug him and now you can just mash him to death, that sort of thing. But if you face hug a T-54 you can get your backside served, that's how it goes.  


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View PostUSMV_mc, on 30 April 2019 - 04:42 PM, said:

WoT is nerfing 430's in the new patch.. So I read on NA.

 

You didn't get the memo?

WG cancelled the nerfs to 430 and 430U.



Dava_117 #11 Posted 30 April 2019 - 03:27 PM

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Thank you all guys. Will try to be more a support for HTs than an HT and, if I can't, will try to put some distance between enemys and me. :)

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430 was seen has OP because most of the people didn't have to grind it.

 

I always thought the 430 is inferior to the T54 and to the best of the T's the T55A after the buff, only thing the 430 is good is because the ammo is cheaper...

 

One more thing, if you are grinding for the 430U thinking its OP, better think again... I would rather play the Chinese Heavies


Edited by pecopad, 30 April 2019 - 03:37 PM.


Dava_117 #13 Posted 30 April 2019 - 03:50 PM

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View Postpecopad, on 30 April 2019 - 03:35 PM, said:

430 was seen has OP because most of the people didn't have to grind it.

 

I always thought the 430 is inferior to the T54 and to the best of the T's the T55A after the buff, only thing the 430 is good is because the ammo is cheaper...

 

One more thing, if you are grinding for the 430U thinking its OP, better think again... I would rather play the Chinese Heavies

 

Don't worry, I'm not grinding it because it's OP. I just like armoured tanks, and a fast medium with quite a reliable armour shoul be what I need to complete a lot of MT missions for the first campaign.

 

BTW, first battle of today in 430 was Malinovka. Whent hill and supported our HT. Almost 2.7k damage and my first Oskin medal for taking out 3 out of 4 tier 10 tanks.

Let's see if I can manage to keep all your suggestion in mind even on the next battles. :)



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View PostDava_117, on 30 April 2019 - 02:50 PM, said:

 

Don't worry, I'm not grinding it because it's OP. I just like armoured tanks, and a fast medium with quite a reliable armour shoul be what I need to complete a lot of MT missions for the first campaign.

 

 

Sorry to say this after a long grind, but again, the T-54 has better more workable armor you can play to use reliably and predictably :(

 

Paris, I just straight up took the fight to the heavy tanks, Bouncy Mc'Bouncington with a side order of 320 HEAT "skill"

 

 

View PostDava_117, on 30 April 2019 - 02:50 PM, said:

 

BTW, first battle of today in 430 was Malinovka. Whent hill and supported our HT. Almost 2.7k damage and my first Oskin medal for taking out 3 out of 4 tier 10 tanks.

Let's see if I can manage to keep all your suggestion in mind even on the next battles. :)

 

This was my very first battle played with a 430. Top tier, was always going to be a good thing lol.

 

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View PostTungstenHitman, on 30 April 2019 - 04:01 PM, said:

 

Sorry to say this after a long grind, but again, the T-54 has better more workable armor you can play to use reliably and predictably :(

 

Paris, I just straight up took the fight to the heavy tanks, Bouncy Mc'Bouncington with a side order of 320 HEAT "skill"

 

 

 

This was my very first battle played with a 430. Top tier, was always going to be a good thing lol.

 

Spoiler

 

 

Well, I have a complete fresh crew and probably I'm not as good as you at using MTs. Nice result indeed.

 

About armour, I was looking more at the top tier: 430U armour feels more reliable than 140 or T-62A on that aspect. And even if they nerf the cupolas, as they should IMO, it would still be the best armour wise between the 4 tier 10 soviet MTs.


Edited by Dava_117, 30 April 2019 - 04:13 PM.


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It's the armored one out of the 4 soviet mediums, also the one with the biggest gun and alpha. Funny thing though, it's a tiny tank with very good camo. If it had better mobility it would make an amazing scout/medium hybrid! :)

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View PostUSMV_mc, on 30 April 2019 - 02:12 PM, said:

WoT is nerfing 430's in the new patch.. So I read on NA.

 

The nerfs have been cancelled because....'Russia'. 

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Just enable english subtitles

 

 



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I like the 430, it has good armor in the sense that you can get bounces when hulldown and bait some shots at some weird angles, just don't let the enemy aim for too long. I use it as a typical medium flanker vs tier 9-10's, only peeking when enemy is looking the other way. Once the higher tiers are dealt with it is very good at bullying lower tiers.



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View PostSuperOlsson, on 02 May 2019 - 11:31 AM, said:

I like the 430, it has good armor in the sense that you can get bounces when hulldown and bait some shots at some weird angles, just don't let the enemy aim for too long. I use it as a typical medium flanker vs tier 9-10's, only peeking when enemy is looking the other way. Once the higher tiers are dealt with it is very good at bullying lower tiers.

 

Thank you. :)

I started to rely less on armour and be more a supporter for HT or a flanker as many suggested and things started to be better.

Still not that good at positioning, but started to have some nice games. :)







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