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SirDrarig #21 Posted 02 May 2019 - 12:45 PM

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View PostRudels_Tutor, on 02 May 2019 - 09:51 AM, said:

Dear WG,

it's been years of complaints and disrespect from WG towards the european and american community.

We understand that in your country pay to win, overpovered russian vehicles, gold ammo, balance issues and deception tactics are considered a standard "way" of how things are done and normally are done.

For the western mind however this it is not the way things should be or should ever be. The big majority will never consider that normal or acceptable.

 

There is one solution to provide everyone with the game they want (quite likely the only one). It is a very simple thing to do. Fork off the game and adapt it for western Europe and America. Let all russian people completely out of the balance and monetization for Western Europe and America. Make a very small competent international team to handle balance. Regarding monetization and E-sports in those regions why not copy the Riot model? If people can have the game they want they WILL invest. If the game is perceived fair the money made in the western region will increase overall because there would be so much more players.

 

 

I just grind Russian Tanks...….easy! So do not know what the problem is? I also do British tanks and have not discerned any difference in cost? Also have a separate account in which I never pay...yes it is a slower grind but no problem for whatever tree? I can't help but think you are grinding axes because that is what you like to do!



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View Posttajj7, on 02 May 2019 - 11:17 AM, said:

I actually noted that Skill4ltu voiced this similar opinion and there is probably some worth in it. IF the RU server seems to want Russian vehicles on top due to some sort of patriotism etc. and they think the 430U et al are fine, then why not balance the servers differently?

 

Yes a little more work maybe for WG, but in the main we are talking about how a few tank attributes different on different servers, so not a massive amount of work and potentially more happy customers. 

 

While I'm also in favor of separating the balancing of RU from the rest of the WG servers simply because tanks do perform differently for whatever reason, this is not just a "little" more work, but a fork of the game.

It may start with just a few stat changes here and there, but in the long run those changes will accumulate and lead to two pretty different games, and the evaluation of every balancing change or new techtree becomes more complex. And it already takes WG (usually) forever to do that.

 

Mind that RU may not just prevent changes desired by EU but likely this also works in the other direction (to a lesser degree). Simple fact is that RU will always come first due to making up over 60% of the overall WoT audience. And EU will always struggle a bit more due to the language mix that separates the various communities and prevents a significant number of people to even participate.



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Considering your most played tanks that are all 3 premiums that most would argue are a bit off. This would make a difference how? As your top played one is not even balanced for the current MM, and has tier 9 MM DPM to name one, and pre nerf camo and view range. So it can outplay most lights it faces. Even more so the normal German tier 8 light. And your 3rd most played tank is broken in a different way. Can you honestly say that tank works 100% of the time in the super heavy meta on corridor maps without ever pressing 2 vs 220mm cupola armor or 250mm effective lower plates? But let's see what WG has planned for "special ammo", and if the IS-6 gets screwed over with 1400 DPM on the 2 key or not. And if the 186 pen remains.

 

 

View Posttajj7, on 02 May 2019 - 10:17 AM, said:

I actually noted that Skill4ltu voiced this similar opinion and there is probably some worth in it. IF the RU server seems to want Russian vehicles on top due to some sort of patriotism etc. and they think the 430U et al are fine, then why not balance the servers differently?

 

Yes a little more work maybe for WG, but in the main we are talking about how a few tank attributes different on different servers, so not a massive amount of work and potentially more happy customers. 

 

Nerfing the 430U's armor for EU is easily done without most arguing I'm sure, and leaving it as is on RU. I mean WOT console an blitz runs their own balance departments not even going by the main office first. Blitz recently removed derp guns on tier 2 to 4 to make it easier for new players "no derp hetzer". The IS-6 has a high pen gun with more alpha and less DPM as a 2nd option there even.

 

But the premium meta etc like the Defender is a bit more tricky. I'm sure you recall what did happen when they wanted to "buff" the KV-5. Heck even when they nerfed the E50's engine I'm sure you recall what did happen. So even on normal tanks people can be defensive. So it's not as easy to remove all of that "RU" meta if you will. As it's not even on Russian tanks alone tbh depending on tier.

 


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View Postnobodys_fault_but_mine, on 02 May 2019 - 11:24 AM, said:

Sweeping statement with no evidence at all, i do however feel the game does Russia no favours, no chance at all its will encourage a positive view.

 

 

 

The evidence is the OP.

StahlWotan #25 Posted 02 May 2019 - 01:39 PM

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View PostJauhesammutin, on 02 May 2019 - 10:17 AM, said:

P.S. Did you know WG is a Cypriot company? They are part of the European Union :)

 

 

 

Owner and director of WG is a (byelo)Russian. (I dont know how old this viktor is but it's even possible that he is born in soviet union)

 

Business idea of WG is Russian.

 

Cyprus, however an EU country, is mostly owned by russian mafia.

 

So Cypriot this game is.  



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View PostJauhesammutin, on 02 May 2019 - 10:17 AM, said:

 

 

What does it matter which nation is "the best"? If they design the game around Russian tanks then so be it.

Play Russian tanks, problem solved.

 

Because its called WORLD of tanks.

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View PostHugSeal, on 02 May 2019 - 11:39 AM, said:

 

Nah, People get bent out of shape because the tanks from one group is blatantly broken and overpowered compared to other groups of tanks in WoT

 

So the thing to do is play those tanks.  Problem solved.

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View PostSolstad1069, on 02 May 2019 - 12:45 PM, said:

 

Because its called WORLD of tanks.

 

World of Tanks. Could be any tanks, imaginary tanks, alien tanks, real tanks.

Are you confusing it with "Tanks of the World"?

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View PostStahlWotan, on 02 May 2019 - 12:39 PM, said:

 

Owner and director of WG is a (byelo)Russian. (I dont know how old this viktor is but it's even possible that he is born in soviet union)

 

Business idea of WG is Russian.

 

Cyprus, however an EU country, is mostly owned by russian mafia.

 

So Cypriot this game is.  

 

I know sarcasm is hard to detect in written text, but pls.

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View PostRudels_Tutor, on 02 May 2019 - 09:51 AM, said:

Dear WG,

it's been years of complaints and disrespect from WG towards the european and american community.

We understand that in your country pay to win, overpovered russian vehicles, gold ammo, balance issues and deception tactics are considered a standard "way" of how things are done and normally are done.

For the western mind however this it is not the way things should be or should ever be. The big majority will never consider that normal or acceptable.

 

There is one solution to provide everyone with the game they want (quite likely the only one). It is a very simple thing to do. Fork off the game and adapt it for western Europe and America. Let all russian people completely out of the balance and monetization for Western Europe and America. Make a very small competent international team to handle balance. Regarding monetization and E-sports in those regions why not copy the Riot model? If people can have the game they want they WILL invest. If the game is perceived fair the money made in the western region will increase overall because there would be so much more players.

 

 

 

What a bunch of xenophobic blabbing. Russians are Europeans as much as you or me. Tanks you calling Russians are Soviet tanks. Educate yourself a bit https://en.wikipedia...ki/Soviet_Union

Russia, Belorussia and Ukraine are major costumers for the game, 2/3 of the players are from that region. Since WG is business, it's logical that they focus on the region with the majority of income.

And in the end, do you really care what country tanks you drive? I presume you don't use the female crew as well or nonhistorical tanks :P

Edited by seXikanac, 02 May 2019 - 02:17 PM.


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View PostJauhesammutin, on 02 May 2019 - 10:42 AM, said:

 

If we had one nation then players would cry about one class or branch. For example "Medium BIAS, mediums are better than all the other classes".

 

What kind of imbalance are we talking about here? Your comments seems to suggest that it's gamebreaking. 

According to WoT-Life the highest T10 tech tree winrate belongs to EBR 105 (not Russian) at 53,78% and the worst winrate belongs to RHM at 46,81%. The difference between the best and the worst performing tanks is a whopping 6,97% or 7 out of 100 battles. Doesn't sound that imbalanced to me.

 

If we balanced out all the tanks then this game would be immensely boring. Why would you research a tank B if you already have tank A which performs exactly the same? Is that the "perfect" balance you desire? Or would your "balance" have a little imbalance in it, to make the game more interesting? If you have even the slightest imbalance then one tank will be "the best" and one thank "the worst". Then we would have this same discussion again, but the difference would be for example 2% instead of the current 7.

 

There are only 2 Russian tanks in the top 10 highest winrate in T10 tech tree tanks. There you have 8 reasons to grind out other nations. 

 

Russian tanks are considered the best as they are all around best tanks and easy to do well in them.

What do you do if you want to get a sneaky sniper? You grind STRV or Leo 1. What do you do if you want to have a 900dmg derp on a light? You grind out the Sheridan. Just because those tanks I mentioned are all around worse than their Russian counterparts doesn't mean that they aren't appealing. They appeal for other reasons and that's a good thing and brings variety to the game.

 

Best tier 10 TD - 268 v4, none of the others are really close. 

Best tier 10 heavy - Obj. 260, probably followed by 277 or or IS7 or 5A (which is Chinese but basically russian copies), only other close is Super Conq but its nowhere near as flexible, especially after the Type 5 nerfs. 

Best tier 10 light - T-100lt or EBR 105

Best tier 10 med - 430U and then probably 907, again none of the others really come close. 

 

Basically the best tier 10 tanks are Russian tanks, the EBR 105 and the T95/FV4201, which is seen a lot in CWs but is rare for randoms.  Even more so now the Fv4005 and the Type 5 have been nerfed today, which were other very commonly seen tier 10s. 

 

Tier 9, one of the best balanced tiers in the game, still has the 430 as one of the best tier 9 meds, 257 as one of the most broken tanks in the game, 263 is stupidly strong as well, and the T-55A is also one of the best tier 9 meds and that is basically a Russian tank with a different flag on it. 

 

Tier 8 which is dominated by premiums, best light is LT-432, best heavy is Defender, best medium aside the Progetto is the T-44-100. 

 

Global win rates are meaningless so not going to talk about them.

 

As for variety, well we don;t have variety now anyway especially on tier 10 and tier 8 where you see the same tanks over and over, that is what happens when you make tanks clearly better than most others.

 

And yeh Russian tanks are all rounders, in that they are good at everything, with virtually no weaknesses, so why would you play other tanks?

 

You wouldn't

 

And most people don't, which is why we see so many Russian tanks dominate high tier games, and it is pretty much all you see in CWs as well.

 

Plus tier 9 is probably one of the best balanced tiers around, far less obvious stand out and too good tanks there, (430 and 263 being two of them that need toning down) and guess what, when you get all tier 9 tanks you actually get decent variety. 

 

So your argument makes no sense from every direction. 

 

Russian tanks right now are on the whole too good and dominate the meta, and if they were nerfed or left that good only on the Russian server like that, we'd actually get better balanced AND better variety. 

 

Here is a simple question, how many bad Russian tanks are in the game? 


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You have the option to also buy Russian tanks, if you think they are better.

 

By the way, checking https://en.wot-life....eu/serverstats/ my take is that Russian tanks are not any better than any other nation's tanks.

 

EDIT: And by the way, my Russian tanks keep catching fire, have relatively high shell dispersion, poor gun depression, short view ranges, and the heavy tanks load their guns once in a blue moon. Their main consistent advantages are relatively high alpha and good all-round armour, that's about it. Is that what is called an all-rounder?


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View Posttajj7, on 02 May 2019 - 02:25 PM, said:

Here is a simple question, how many bad Russian tanks are in the game? 

 

On high tiers? Not that many. You still have those that demand buffs on some high tiers. But overall vs other nations? Less so... So much there is no competition on some tanks like 430U as the best tier X med as an all-rounder. But some still argue the 140 for a top 5 worst. Just as you have the 268 V4 as the best tier X TD all-rounder. Many put the old 268 for on the bottom 3 list.

 

On mid tiers you have more of them ofc, just as you have insanely good examples. As the recent polls we had on several topics regarding best tanks on different tiers showed. Not many do love the tier 7 Russian meds or HT's. But they still have a powerhouse in the TD's like the SU-100M1 that is still great for 2x blocking missions. As on mid and low tiers, is where I had the least keepers vs other nations. But high tiers? No competition. Only nation that can join there is the German VK 100.01 to name some. As vs the IS-3, then there is no competition.

 

But as the balance lead etc from the 430U and Defender era is not in charge anymore. And the balance department has seen some changes of late. They have not nerfed enough from their "rampage". Type 5 was the last one to get smacked. But the first planned 430U nerfs was only for the gun, the one aspect not many see as broken.



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View Posttajj7, on 02 May 2019 - 01:25 PM, said:

 

Best tier 10 TD - 268 v4, none of the others are really close. 

Best tier 10 heavy - Obj. 260, probably followed by 277 or or IS7 or 5A (which is Chinese but basically russian copies), only other close is Super Conq but its nowhere near as flexible, especially after the Type 5 nerfs. 

Best tier 10 light - T-100lt or EBR 105

Best tier 10 med - 430U and then probably 907, again none of the others really come close. 

 

Basically the best tier 10 tanks are Russian tanks, the EBR 105 and the T95/FV4201, which is seen a lot in CWs but is rare for randoms.  Even more so now the Fv4005 and the Type 5 have been nerfed today, which were other very commonly seen tier 10s. 

 

Tier 9, one of the best balanced tiers in the game, still has the 430 as one of the best tier 9 meds, 257 as one of the most broken tanks in the game, 263 is stupidly strong as well, and the T-55A is also one of the best tier 9 meds and that is basically a Russian tank with a different flag on it. 

 

Tier 8 which is dominated by premiums, best light is LT-432, best heavy is Defender, best medium aside the Progetto is the T-44-100. 

 

Global win rates are meaningless so not going to talk about them.

 

As for variety, well we don;t have variety now anyway especially on tier 10 and tier 8 where you see the same tanks over and over, that is what happens when you make tanks clearly better than most others.

 

And yeh Russian tanks are all rounders, in that they are good at everything, with virtually no weaknesses, so why would you play other tanks?

 

You wouldn't

 

And most people don't, which is why we see so many Russian tanks dominate high tier games, and it is pretty much all you see in CWs as well.

 

Plus tier 9 is probably one of the best balanced tiers around, far less obvious stand out and too good tanks there, (430 and 263 being two of them that need toning down) and guess what, when you get all tier 9 tanks you actually get decent variety. 

 

So your argument makes no sense from every direction. 

 

Russian tanks right now are on the whole too good and dominate the meta, and if they were nerfed or left that good only on the Russian server like that, we'd actually get better balanced AND better variety. 

 

Here is a simple question, how many bad Russian tanks are in the game? 

 

I didn't include reward vehicles as those are rewards. They are supposed to be better than "standard" vehicles and they are mostly played by better players so their stats are flawed.

Best T10 heavy, 5A

Best arty, CGC

Best light, 105.

So you get 2 pole position for Russian tanks.

 

Why wouldn't global winrate matter? How else are you comparing and defining which are good and which aren't?

 

Tier 9 is so balanced that you could argue that almost every tank is "the best".

For example Standard B, Patton, E50, Cent 7/1 are all better than 430. Unless you are talking about some specific situation like being hull down then 430 is better.

 

Here is the first flaw in your comment: "T-55A is also one of the best tier 9 meds and that is basically a Russian tank with a different flag on it."

So your problem is not the fact that one nation is better than the others, but that the nation is Russia (Soviet).

 

Tier 8 are mostly populated by the same tanks because those are premiums. T8 is good for grinding credits so naturally players play their T8 premium tanks.

 

T10 has fewer tanks so the pool is smaller. There are definitely some forgotten tanks which need buffing (or maybe the powerful tanks need nerfing). One of them being a Russian tank IS-4.

 

How many bad Russian tanks are there? I don't have time to count them all.

T10: 268, T62A, K-91, 705A, IS-4,261

T9: 704, 430 II, 705, ST-I, 212A

So quite a lot for the top 2 tiers.



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Bad Russian tanks: my T-28 had a winrate below 38% until I got the first full skill on all crew members. Valentine II has still a winrate of 44%, KV-1 has a winrate of 49% (mean across all players is 50.27%) and for the T-34, another popular tank, mean across all players is 49.63%, so both average. SU-85, on which I have two marks of excellence, is in my case at 49% winrate. My KV-122 has a winrate of 45 % with a mark of excellence on its gun and a 4-skill crew. Similarly, my KV-2R has a winrate of 45%. SU-100 has a 47% winrate whereas JgPz IV by comparison has 59% winrate (!!!) with a less skilled crew, StuG III G a 52% with an even less skilled crew, Pz III J has a 56 % winrate, Pz IV D also a 56% winrate, the BDR G1 B has a 54 % winrate, all are MUCH better than their Russian counterparts despite all of them having worse crews. It's not even a contest.

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View Posttajj7, on 02 May 2019 - 01:25 PM, said:

 

Best tier 10 TD - 268 v4, none of the others are really close. 

Best tier 10 heavy - Obj. 260, probably followed by 277 or or IS7 or 5A (which is Chinese but basically russian copies), only other close is Super Conq but its nowhere near as flexible, especially after the Type 5 nerfs. 

Best tier 10 light - T-100lt or EBR 105

Best tier 10 med - 430U and then probably 907, again none of the others really come close. 

 

Basically the best tier 10 tanks are Russian tanks, the EBR 105 and the T95/FV4201, which is seen a lot in CWs but is rare for randoms.  Even more so now the Fv4005 and the Type 5 have been nerfed today, which were other very commonly seen tier 10s. 

 

Tier 9, one of the best balanced tiers in the game, still has the 430 as one of the best tier 9 meds, 257 as one of the most broken tanks in the game, 263 is stupidly strong as well, and the T-55A is also one of the best tier 9 meds and that is basically a Russian tank with a different flag on it. 

 

Tier 8 which is dominated by premiums, best light is LT-432, best heavy is Defender, best medium aside the Progetto is the T-44-100. 

 

Global win rates are meaningless so not going to talk about them.

 

As for variety, well we don;t have variety now anyway especially on tier 10 and tier 8 where you see the same tanks over and over, that is what happens when you make tanks clearly better than most others.

 

And yeh Russian tanks are all rounders, in that they are good at everything, with virtually no weaknesses, so why would you play other tanks?

 

You wouldn't

 

And most people don't, which is why we see so many Russian tanks dominate high tier games, and it is pretty much all you see in CWs as well.

 

 

 

So just play those tanks.  Where is the actual problem?

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View Posttajj7, on 02 May 2019 - 11:10 AM, said:

 

That is just a crap argument, tanks should be a balanced and not just favour one nation, why bother having any other nations in the game if one nation's tanks are always best. Might as well just scrap all other tech trees and never bring in another nation.

 

Much fun game that would be.

 

Balance creating variety, seems like a win win to me. 

 

Seems like an impossibility to me, given the large number of vehicles and the small number of parameters (or perhaps the small variance in parameters). There will always be weaker and stronger vehicles and should be care that the best numbers are more often (not always) wrapped in a soviet skin? I think not. And I'm a Brit, a tech tree which WG has not be kind to. 

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View PostJauhesammutin, on 02 May 2019 - 02:03 PM, said:

 

I didn't include reward vehicles as those are rewards. They are supposed to be better than "standard" vehicles and they are mostly played by better players so their stats are flawed.

Best T10 heavy, 5A

Best arty, CGC

Best light, 105.

So you get 2 pole position for Russian tanks.

 

Why wouldn't global winrate matter? How else are you comparing and defining which are good and which aren't?

 

Tier 9 is so balanced that you could argue that almost every tank is "the best".

For example Standard B, Patton, E50, Cent 7/1 are all better than 430. Unless you are talking about some specific situation like being hull down then 430 is better.

 

Here is the first flaw in your comment: "T-55A is also one of the best tier 9 meds and that is basically a Russian tank with a different flag on it."

So your problem is not the fact that one nation is better than the others, but that the nation is Russia (Soviet).

 

Tier 8 are mostly populated by the same tanks because those are premiums. T8 is good for grinding credits so naturally players play their T8 premium tanks.

 

T10 has fewer tanks so the pool is smaller. There are definitely some forgotten tanks which need buffing (or maybe the powerful tanks need nerfing). One of them being a Russian tank IS-4.

 

How many bad Russian tanks are there? I don't have time to count them all.

T10: 268, T62A, K-91, 705A, IS-4,261

T9: 704, 430 II, 705, ST-I, 212A

So quite a lot for the top 2 tiers.

 

Arties are irrelevant I don't care about them, they are their own balance mess. 

 

EBR  105 is still new and the better players mainly play it, plus players still don't deal with it well. It'll drop away over time and be similar to the T-100, a tank that quite easily can counter it. 

 

Best heavy is 260, it just is, its the one commonly asked for first in CWs and there are a lot more about than there used to be, plus loads of them are played by average or bad players, same with 907. 

 

Global win rate is a misleading stat because you have no idea how good the players playing the tank are. Global win rate says the STB-1 is much better than the IS7 and has done for year, thus showing how much of a misleading a statistic is. 

 

The IS7 has been performing poorly on global statistics for years because its so popular with the masses and is recommended as the first line for new players because its forgiving, but the tank is actually very strong after its buffs. 

 

You use win rate curves which are skill adjusted to see how tanks perform.  

 

As for your 'bad' tanks -

 

T-62A is far from bad, its just been power crept by funnily enough other Russian tanks, its obsolete because of the 430U and because of the 140 and 907s buffs, it used to be one of the strongest tier 10 meds in the game, and its hardly at the level of a Leo 1, STB-1, or 121 for example which are bad tier 10 mediums.

 

705a bad? The T110E5 would love to be as 'bad' as the 705A, it makes most players slightly over perform and is a very strong tier 10 heavy. It's also basically power crept the IS-4 because it does the sidescraping thing but with more alpha and far less weakspots. 

 

268 is not bad either, does way better than the Grille 15 for example, again it basically got powercrept by another Russian tank, i,e the bobject. 

 

K-91 is not really bad either, its an average tier 10 med down the pack from the 430U and 907, certainly again better than the 121, Leo and STB-1 for example.

 

IS-4 I'll give you, but again, power crept by other Soviet tanks, the IS7 buffs, the 277, the 430U, the 705a and the 20 basically make the IS-4 poor.

 

704, ST-I and 705, nope those are not bad, 705 is OP btw, makes most players over perform. 704 is fine and well balanced, as is ST-I, pretty much every player gets about their overall win rate or just above in those tanks.

 

430 v2, yep that is bad, but no worse than the likes of the M103, Type 61, 50120, WZ-120, WZ-132A, T54E1, and Bat Chat AP which are the main underperforming tier 9 tanks. 

 

The over performing tier 9s according to the WR curves include, Obj. 257, Obj. 705, Obj. 263, and Obj. 430, so even on the well balanced tier that tier 9 is, where more tanks are competitive, most of the Soviet tanks are either OP or strong, with only one underperforming. 

 

The situation being worst on tier 8 and 10. 

 

Generally if you look at the strongest tanks in each class on each tier, they will be Russian tanks or Russian style tanks either the best or at least in the top 2-3, hell in some classes they fill pretty much the top 3 spots. 

 

As others have mentioned go down the tiers a bit and they are less stand out but you still have stuff like the T-34-85M and the SU-100M1, which are OP lower tier tanks. 

 

When you look at strong performers and popularity, its pretty clear over recent years the balance has shifted to Russian tanks, clearly to placate the biggest playerbase in the game. 

 

View PostHedgehog1963, on 02 May 2019 - 02:23 PM, said:

So just play those tanks.  Where is the actual problem?

 

Such a dumb point.

 

View PostSlyspy, on 02 May 2019 - 02:35 PM, said:

Seems like an impossibility to me, given the large number of vehicles and the small number of parameters (or perhaps the small variance in parameters). There will always be weaker and stronger vehicles and should be care that the best numbers are more often (not always) wrapped in a soviet skin? I think not. And I'm a Brit, a tech tree which WG has not be kind to. 

 

Of course there will always be weaker and stronger vehicles, but its about the gap between them, you can cut down the gap between and have variance in strength and roles with good balance.

 

Like I said tier 9 does that to somewhat, plenty of decent and competitive tanks in that tier and even the worse ones that need a little love are not that bad. If you look at the WR curves for tier 9 tanks, you'll see the differences from the reference line both above and below is not as huge as you see in other tiers. 

 

Especially on tier 10, you see a collection of certain tanks that just dominate the meta and make most other tanks obsolete, and this is reflected in the lack of variety you see, especially in things like CWs and Ranked. 

 

Part of the issue is the general direction of making many of these Soviet tanks just too damn all round good at everything, not sacrificing enough in say armour or mobility or firepower to allow other tanks to flourish.

 

Like for example when the E5 was the tier 10 dominant force, it had decent mobility, good gun handling and armour, many Soviet tanks now have even better mobility, even better armour and good gun handling. Like the 430U which basically has heavy tank armour, medium mobility, medium camo and medium gun handling.

 

Or the Bobject which had/has a TD gun, with super heavy frontal armour, medium mobility and even medium tank dispersions for the guns. 

 

Or the various Soviet style 'heavium' tanks that used to be like old IS-8 which were worst at meds at med stuff, and worst than heavies at heavy stuff, but now with constant buffs and new tanks, have medium mobility and gun handling together with heavy tank alpha and armour, just making them too complete. 

 


Edited by tajj7, 02 May 2019 - 03:51 PM.


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View PostBalc0ra, on 02 May 2019 - 11:57 AM, said:

But the premium meta etc like the Defender is a bit more tricky. I'm sure you recall what did happen when they wanted to "buff" the KV-5. Heck even when they nerfed the E50's engine I'm sure you recall what did happen. So even on normal tanks people can be defensive. So it's not as easy to remove all of that "RU" meta if you will. As it's not even on Russian tanks alone tbh depending on tier.

 

 

I don't. Can you brief me on this?

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I think there's some merit in OP's idea. The problem is that if we were to make a Western server, then NA would become the next problem as they will cry and whine for American tanks to be the best (those who play World of Warships should know what the NA community is capable of when it concerns American stuff).

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View Posttajj7, on 02 May 2019 - 03:44 PM, said:

 

Of course there will always be weaker and stronger vehicles, but its about the gap between them, you can cut down the gap between and have variance in strength and roles with good balance.

 

 

 

Can you? Personally I think you risk ending up with identikit tanks if you do that, especially with the heavy hand of WG. 







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