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WindSplitter1 #1 Posted 03 May 2019 - 10:02 PM

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Src=https://thearmoredpa...cond-iteration/

 

Second iteration in a nutshell:

 

STB-1

  • More turret armour
  • No mantlet weakpoint + stronger mantlet
  • Stronger front
  • Seems like ammo is AP/AP/HE now - std and gold ammo has m/s nerf
  • Hydro suspension
  • Alpha down - DPM up (3K)

 

Leo 1

  • APCR/APCR/HE
  • Accuracy, stab and pen go up - 0.29, 0.13 still/mobile, gold ammo is 323mm respectively. Gold ammo has m/s buff (2nd highest)
  • No changes to armour

 

AMX 30 B

  • Goes to third iteration

 

 

Object 430/430U

 



xx984 #2 Posted 03 May 2019 - 10:04 PM

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Really looking forward to the Leopard 1 actually. I already like it as is for some reason, even if it is bad. This will just be better

Japualtah #3 Posted 03 May 2019 - 10:16 PM

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Cool, more weakspotless turret armor tanks, just what we needed!

1ncompetenc3 #4 Posted 03 May 2019 - 10:19 PM

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Still having an exceedingly hard time getting excited about this.

Balc0ra #5 Posted 03 May 2019 - 10:29 PM

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Well, there still might be a 3rd stage. So don't "celebrate" just yet.

 

Tbh I never got why they wanted AP on a tier X support med like the Leo in the first place. And the Jap is now a Ridgeline fighter with Hydro suspension? Well at least it will set it apart a bit more.

 

View PostWindSplitter1, on 03 May 2019 - 10:02 PM, said:

Yep! You guessed it, no changes

 

Well if the first planned change was anything to go by. I suspect if there was any, they would nerf anything but the armor. As it's ROF is the issue right? 

 



XxKuzkina_MatxX #6 Posted 03 May 2019 - 10:33 PM

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That's one small step for man...oh wait, it's not!

 

  • Buffing '2' tier 10 mediums is hardly interesting or game changing for anyone because between the full tier 10 MM and the maps design the problem is much bigger than a few buffs or nerfs.
  • There are more deserving tanks in dire need of a balance and that's based on numbers not imagination or personal bias.
  • Rebalancing pathetic premiums, like the 8.8 or the CDC, that people paid actual money for takes precedence IMO.

 

Focus on the bigger picture instead of chasing a few meaningless stats.



wremise #7 Posted 03 May 2019 - 10:58 PM

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View PostWindSplitter1, on 03 May 2019 - 10:02 PM, said:

Object 430/430U

 



Dorander #8 Posted 03 May 2019 - 10:59 PM

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View PostBalc0ra, on 03 May 2019 - 09:29 PM, said:

Well, there still might be a 3rd stage. So don't "celebrate" just yet.

 

Tbh I never got why they wanted AP on a tier X support med like the Leo in the first place. And the Jap is now a Ridgeline fighter with Hydro suspension? Well at least it will set it apart a bit more.

 

 

Everything else being the same I'll take AP over APCR any day, 5 degrees normalisation is simply better than 2 degrees normalization. I'd happily give up a little shellspeed for it, shellspeed is a matter of getting used to leading distance, you can't skill penetration values.

 

 

I'm OKish with the 430/430u not being changed. It's not the only tank with an impenetrable turret out there, nor the only tank which you can only really pen if you can hit its LFP. I'm also grinding the line so I'll freely admit to a personal stake colouring my preferences here, if I wasn't planning on simply getting it I'd probably roll my eyes a lot harder.



Strizi #9 Posted 04 May 2019 - 12:12 AM

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They still need to buff leopards accuracy further and they didnt clarify if they removed the stupid counternerfs.

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View Postxx984, on 03 May 2019 - 10:04 PM, said:

Really looking forward to the Leopard 1 actually. I already like it as is for some reason, even if it is bad. This will just be better

 

You like it because it is actually fun to play?

MulkQvist_Fi #11 Posted 04 May 2019 - 05:34 AM

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In the mean time I'm painting some "rally stripes" to my Stb-1 in the carage....

 

Can't wait...



Yaccay #12 Posted 04 May 2019 - 08:10 AM

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No one nerfs Obj 430U.

Because it is ...



xx984 #13 Posted 04 May 2019 - 09:15 AM

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View Postcro001, on 04 May 2019 - 04:26 AM, said:

 

You like it because it is actually fun to play?

 

yes i find it fun

Dava_117 #14 Posted 04 May 2019 - 09:43 AM

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Not a fun of standard and premium ammo being of the same kind. It just remove the already few advantage the standard ammo usually have.

Leo and STB-1 should keep the HEAT round as premium, so if you want to get better penetration, you have to sacrifice shell speed and actually came close. As it is now, why someone should load standard round on a Leo or STB-1? Special shells have better velocity, better penetration and same normalization.

 

Everything else looks fine to me and will surely help those 2 tanks a lot.



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View PostYaccay, on 04 May 2019 - 07:10 AM, said:

No one nerfs Obj 430U.

Because it is ...

 

Antonov is Ukrainian. HWD never gets the basis right.

Edited by WindSplitter1, 04 May 2019 - 10:57 AM.


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View Postxx984, on 04 May 2019 - 12:04 AM, said:

Really looking forward to the Leopard 1 actually. I already like it as is for some reason, even if it is bad. This will just be better

 

same here by far  my most played tank even if it lets me down over and over again ( with some gem moments here and there) 

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Yes yes more dpm and more turret armor and what about e50m it sacrifice everything for the sake of armor in tier 10and that armor is flat 185mm turret sigh gg wargaming

Edited by hasnainrakha57, 04 May 2019 - 11:43 AM.


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View Posthasnainrakha57, on 04 May 2019 - 11:36 AM, said:

Yes yes more dpm and more turret armor and what about e50m it sacrifice everything for the sake of armor in tier 10and that armor is flat 185mm turret sigh gg wargaming

 

Yes, they need a second medium tank batch rework which should include E50M, 121 and maybe T-62A.

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View PostMeNoobTank, on 04 May 2019 - 11:11 AM, said:

 

Yes, they need a second medium tank batch rework which should include E50M, 121 and maybe T-62A.

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View Post1ncompetenc3, on 03 May 2019 - 10:19 PM, said:

Still having an exceedingly hard time getting excited about this.

 

Same here.... As long as RASHA stronk tenk 40U is around with better armor than half the heavy tanks of the same tier I cant really see any of the other tanks being anything but just nonsense.




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