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XxKuzkina_MatxX #1 Posted 04 May 2019 - 06:34 PM

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Some changes currently in the supertest for german and japanese medium tanks:

 

  • Panzer 58 Mutz

 

Damage: 250/330 (instead of 240/320)

HE penetration: 90mm (instead of 45mm)

DPM: 1955.44 (instead of 1877.1)

Shell velocity: 1150 m/s (instead of 1000 m/s)

Gold shell velocity: 1478 m/s (instead of 1250 m/s)

View range: 390m (instead of 380m)

Accuracy: 0.326 (instead of 0.345)

HP: 1350 (instead of 1300)

 

  • Indien Panzer

 

Damage: 250/330 (instead of 240/320)

Penetration: 218mm (instead of 212mm)

HE penetration: 90mm (instead of 45mm)

DPM: 2172.6 (instead of 2085.7)

Accuracy: 0.307 (instead of 0.326)

Aim time: 1.92s (instead of 2.21s)

Dispersion on the move: 0.192 (instead of 0.21)

 

  • Leopard PTA

 

Gold shell changed from HEAT to APCR

HE shell changed to HEP

Damage: 420/510

Gold penetration: 315mm (instead of 330mm)

HE penetration: 105mm (instead of 53mm)

DPM: 2551.5 (instead of 2369.2)

Shell velocity: 1380 m/s (instead of 1478 m/s)

Gold shell velocity: 1613 m/s (instead of 1173 m/s)

Accuracy: 0.297 (instead of 0.307)

Aim time: 1.82s (instead of 2.01s)

Reverse speed: 20 km/h (instead of 23 km/h)

Tank traverse: 42°/second (instead of 44°/second)

Dispersion on turning the turret: 0.096 (instead of 0.134)

Dispersion on the move: 0.153 (instead of 0.173)

 

  • STA-2

 

DPM: 2145.3 (instead of 2002.3) DPM: 2002.3 *2nd iteration*

Shell velocity: 1147 m/s (instead of 853 m/s)

Gold shell velocity: 988 m/s (instead of 853 m/s)

Engine power: 700 HP (instead of 570 HP) Engine power: 650 HP (instead of 570 HP) *2nd iteration*

Specific power: 20.59 (instead of 16.76) Specific power: 19.12 (instead of 16.76) *2nd iteration*

Reverse speed: 23 km/h (instead of 20 km/h)

 

  • STA-1

 

DPM: 2310.3 (instead of 2002.3)

Shell velocity: 1080 m/s (instead of 914 m/s)

Accuracy: 0.364 (instead of 0.345)

Aim time: 2.11s (instead of 2.21s)

Engine power: 650 HP (instead of 570 HP)

Specific power: 19.07 (instead of 16.73)

Dispersion on the move: 0.134 (instead of 0.153)

 

  • Type 61

 

Standard shell changed from APCR to AP

Damage: 360/440 (instead of 390/480)

DPM: 2747 (instead of 2440.3)

Shell velocity: 1185 m/s (instead of 1478 m/s)

Gold shell velocity: 950 m/s (instead of 1173 m/s)

Accuracy: 0.364 (instead of 0.345)

Aim time: 2.01s (instead of 2.21s)

Engine power: 750 HP (instead of 604 HP)

Specific power: 21.43 (instead of 17.26)

Forward speed: 45 km/h (instead of 47.6 km/h)

Reverse speed: 20 km/h (instead of 23 km/h)

Tank traverse: 52°/second (instead of 50°/second)

HP: 1750 (instead of 1700)

Hull side armor: 45mm (instead of 35mm)

Turret armor: 85mm (instead of 70mm)

Turret side armor: 80mm (instead of 60mm)

Dispersion on turning the turret: 0.106 (instead of 0.134)

Dispersion on the move: 0.096 (instead of 0.134)


Edited by XxKuzkina_MatxX, 12 May 2019 - 09:05 PM.


Desyatnik_Pansy #2 Posted 04 May 2019 - 06:39 PM

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I for one welcome these changes. There's nothing I really don't like about them, besides maybe Type 61*, but I'll never play it so.

*to clarify, I don't really dislike the changes, I just don't think it'll benefit from them as much as STB-1 Will. It's being made more of a close range brawler but unlike STB-1, the turret buffs aren't really going to help when you still have the huge cupola, though I do still think they're buffs, just not as strong as buffs to the STB or the STAs.

 


Edited by Desyatnik_Pansy, 04 May 2019 - 06:52 PM.


WindSplitter1 #3 Posted 04 May 2019 - 06:39 PM

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RIP Type 61

Nevermind, though I see no reason for the speed nerf.


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XxKuzkina_MatxX #4 Posted 04 May 2019 - 07:07 PM

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Notice the HEP fiesta the germans are having. :)

 

The buffs to the STA-2, mainly the shell velocity, will be a reason to grind for this tank in FL.



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Looks like I might have to rebuy the PTA...

Desyatnik_Pansy #6 Posted 04 May 2019 - 07:52 PM

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View PostDorander, on 04 May 2019 - 07:07 PM, said:

Looks like I might have to rebuy the PTA...

 

I already have mine, enjoy it well enough as is and look forward to the buffs quite a bit. :P

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View PostDesyatnik_Pansy, on 04 May 2019 - 06:52 PM, said:

 

I already have mine, enjoy it well enough as is and look forward to the buffs quite a bit. :P

 

I was already tempted in truth... inserted a secondary medcrew into my T55A, guess I'll be driving that a lot to train them up :D.

VonniVidiVici #8 Posted 04 May 2019 - 08:45 PM

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STA-2 might actually be able to snipe with that shell velocity. I fully expect all these proposed changes to disappear in the trash however because it makes non-Russians too good.

XxKuzkina_MatxX #9 Posted 04 May 2019 - 09:11 PM

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View Post1ncompetenc3, on 04 May 2019 - 11:45 PM, said:

STA-2 might actually be able to snipe with that shell velocity. I fully expect all these proposed changes to disappear in the trash however because it makes non-Russians too good.

 

And i fully expect the proposed changes to be implemented or even get better. Can't think of a reason to test improvements to these particular tanks and then dismiss them. You got two premiums, two tier 8s and two tier 9 tanks which complement the changes made to the tier 10s in both lines. People receive buffs differently you know!


Edited by XxKuzkina_MatxX, 04 May 2019 - 09:14 PM.


If_I_Die_You_Die_Too #10 Posted 04 May 2019 - 09:42 PM

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A big improvement for the Sta2, it was pretty all round meh tank, I only got it for the HEAT in the recent sale

 

So very pleased if it happens

 

Going to fall massively behind if it stays as it is


Edited by If_I_Die_You_Die_Too, 04 May 2019 - 09:44 PM.


Nishi_Kinuyo #11 Posted 04 May 2019 - 10:29 PM

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Maybe it'll be time to rebuy the STA-1 after 2 years or how ever long it has been since I sold it.

XxKuzkina_MatxX #12 Posted 05 May 2019 - 08:46 AM

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Go away Jumpy, i can see you lurking!

vasilinhorulezz #13 Posted 05 May 2019 - 09:23 AM

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On the STB-1, I'd say that low alpha on a single shot brawling medium is a bad idea, it won't be able to trade effectively with that alpha. I mean what does the STB has against the new Swedish medium with 440 alpha? Also, why are they so eager to change ammo types on the STB and Leopard? Just buff the gun handling and Leopard's accuracy, give STB the hydro-pneumatic suspension and that's it.

Still, buffs on the lower tiers are OK I guess, those tanks where unpopular either way, so they might see some action in the battlefield now.

Edited by vasilinhorulezz, 05 May 2019 - 09:25 AM.


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Damn it bois, that's some good news!
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View PostXxKuzkina_MatxX, on 05 May 2019 - 10:46 AM, said:

Go away Jumpy, i can see you lurking!

 

He is still there :hiding:

XxKuzkina_MatxX #15 Posted 05 May 2019 - 09:43 AM

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View Postvasilinhorulezz, on 05 May 2019 - 12:23 PM, said:

On the STB-1, I'd say that low alpha on a single shot brawling medium is a bad idea, it won't be able to trade effectively with that alpha. I mean what does the STB has against the new Swedish medium with 440 alpha?

 

There is no STB in these changes, these are about tier 8 and 9 tanks in the STB-1 and Leopard 1 lines. Over the new Swedish meds, the STB will have massive DPM advantage and more flexibility IMO because of the turret forward placement.

 

View Postvasilinhorulezz, on 05 May 2019 - 12:23 PM, said:

Also, why are they so eager to change ammo types on the STB and Leopard? Just buff the gun handling and Leopard's accuracy, give STB the hydro-pneumatic suspension and that's it.

 

To keep the STB from staying way back and to enable the Leopard to function properly as a sniper. Although both roles can be ignored by the player depending on his competence and play style.

 

View Postvasilinhorulezz, on 05 May 2019 - 12:23 PM, said:

Still, buffs on the lower tiers are OK I guess, those tanks where unpopular either way, so they might see some action in the battlefield now.

 

The buffs for the tier 8s and 9s are good, any buff to a tier 8 medium is appreciated IMO. They also complement the tanks along the line to the tier 10. A little profit from reviving two crappy old premiums also never hurt nobody! :)

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View PostBR33K1_PAWAH, on 05 May 2019 - 12:37 PM, said:

Damn it bois, that's some good news!
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He is still there :hiding:

 

Thinking about getting that STA-2 from FL OR from the next referral episode if they add it.

 

He's hull down probably! :crab:


Edited by XxKuzkina_MatxX, 05 May 2019 - 09:52 AM.


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Oooh, these are looking good! The STA-2 is becoming more tempting, as an FL reward. Really liking the buffs to the IndienPz and the PTA, although I would add a buff to the Indien's p/w ratio (it's current 15.95 hp/ton is almost worst-in-class) and the PTA's camo (as well as the Leo 1 itself perhaps) would be welcome. If these changes go through the Indien would have almost-best-in-class aimtime, accuracy, DPM, HE pen and a small alpha upgrade. Considering that it currently isn't worth it compared to other tier 8 meds, that's neat!

The PTA  buffs are sweet as well, although no mention of a standard ammo pen increase (dunno if it's totally necessary though). The overall gun handling improvements are exciting, and if that HE round is medium-to-high velocity, this thing will be the bane of wheeled tanks and the ultimate HE sniper :P

Maybe grinding towards the Leo 1 as a noob wasn't such a bad idea...



Balc0ra #17 Posted 06 May 2019 - 03:19 AM

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Not complaining. Looks good across the board. Even more so considering it's not that long ago some of those were buffed as is.

 

But what's with the high HE pen meta of late? 90mm HE pen on the indien?



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What the Indien Pz and Mutz need is some serious buffs to their atrocious gun handling, sure the Indien gets a little better but with these buffs both of them will still be bad.

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View PostXxKuzkina_MatxX, on 04 May 2019 - 06:34 PM, said:

Some changes currently in the supertest for german and japanese medium tanks:

 

  • STA-2

 

DPM: 2145.3 (instead of 2002.3)

Shell velocity: 1147 m/s (instead of 853 m/s)

Gold shell velocity: 988 m/s (instead of 853 m/s)

Engine power: 700 HP (instead of 570 HP)

Specific power: 20.59 (instead of 16.76)

Reverse speed: 23 km/h (instead of 20 km/h)

 

Nice.

My only true complaint about this tank is awful shell velocity. Else was OK.

 

If this was only change I would already be happy but with additional slight DPM increase and significant mobility improvement this will be quite nice tank.

 



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Seems fair, however this is even more powercreep for my CDC.

Somehow the CDC is excellent at evading buffs. If it was only half as good at evading incoming shells...


Edited by gunslingerXXX, 06 May 2019 - 06:33 AM.





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