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Japualtah #1 Posted 06 May 2019 - 10:42 AM

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In case you missed it, Skill posted a video about the changes and comes to the expected conclusion that:

- the 14cm is not a viable option

- the 15cm has to be played with full gold load, just like before

- the type 5 is now a sitting duck against the tanks he's supposed to fight, other heavies

- the type 5 is even more broken than before against low armored vehicles

 

These are facts.

Now, every body will have its opinion, mine is that the tank is not worth playing anymore since it misses its primary role, others will think it's more troll than ever and has joined the KV-2 in the Lulz Garage.

 

When will you introduce an exchange option for re-designed tanks WG?

You change a tank, great, I agree with the necessity with most of the recent nerfs - except the T110E5 - so go for it.

But, please, show some respect to your customers and give them the opportunity to get back their investment when reasonable.

I ground the Japanese heavies because I wanted a super heavy like the Maus.

The type 5 used to deliver and does not anymore.

A refund - XPs and crew reset - is justified.

 

Personally, I would ditch the type 5 and get a Mauss.



Homer_J #2 Posted 06 May 2019 - 10:47 AM

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View PostJapualtah, on 06 May 2019 - 10:42 AM, said:

 

I ground the Japanese heavies because I wanted a super heavy like the Maus.

 

Type 5 was never like the Maus.

 

If you wanted a tank like the Maus you should have got the Maus.



DA_ZOHAN #3 Posted 06 May 2019 - 10:54 AM

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Well, the Type was a retarded tank once the derp was introduced, before the derp was introduced, it was a rare sight, simply due to the gun being weak.

There is something to be said about not having to aim at all!! and being able to wreck a hull down IS7 for instance.  Trading shots, and being able to bounce a shot or 2 or 3, and in return fire doing 200-300 dmg at least.  (ofc, the is7 driver could be blamed for continued trading and not pushing in but that is another story).

 

It was an equalizer tank.  A lower skilled player could compete with the higher skilled players and fight.  But enough is enough basically was the decision.



LordSkyFury #4 Posted 06 May 2019 - 11:01 AM

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Question is, why did you invest your time into tank that have negative impact on gameplay? It was obvious that this tank will get nerf someday. Because same logic can be applied on powercreeped tanks too, players grinded them in past because they were good and by time and new updates tanks became irrelevant and their investment too.

 

You have it and played it when it was on its top so stop asking for refund, because it doesn't make sense.



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View PostJapualtah, on 06 May 2019 - 09:42 AM, said:

These are facts.

None of the things listed is a fact.



Homer_J #6 Posted 06 May 2019 - 11:12 AM

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View PostDA_ZOHAN, on 06 May 2019 - 10:54 AM, said:

 before the derp was introduced, it was a rare sight, simply due to the gun being weak.

 

The gun was weak, it was slow, and the armour was bad.

 

They fixed too many things at once and made it too reliable at doing damage, but only if you could stand the extreme running costs.  Then at the same time they massively increased the credits flowing into the game.



pecopad #7 Posted 06 May 2019 - 11:29 AM

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It was a tank where bad players did good and good players didn't do much better...

 

They had to change it, because we can't have easy tanks to play....or hard tanks to kill, those are for CW rewards


Edited by pecopad, 06 May 2019 - 11:30 AM.


DA_ZOHAN #8 Posted 06 May 2019 - 11:36 AM

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View PostHomer_J, on 06 May 2019 - 12:12 PM, said:

The gun was weak, it was slow, and the armour was bad.

 

They fixed too many things at once and made it too reliable at doing damage, but only if you could stand the extreme running costs.  Then at the same time they massively increased the credits flowing into the game.

 

My 1st game played on it, I did HT/15/260 with honors with the original gun, on old requirements. 

I had 2 Unicum players in IS7's facing me, and they just couldn't pen it.  This was 3+ years ago I think.  

I did like 3k dmg, and blocked 17k.  After the match they said they gotta have it, I said I have no friggin idea wtf I did, it was 1st game, and OMFG HT15/260 w/honors!!!!

 

The derp only made it stupiderererer.



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View PostJapualtah, on 06 May 2019 - 09:42 AM, said:

 

When will you introduce an exchange option for re-designed tanks WG?

You change a tank, great, I agree with the necessity with most of the recent nerfs - except the T110E5 - so go for it.

But, please, show some respect to your customers and give them the opportunity to get back their investment when reasonable.

I ground the Japanese heavies because I wanted a super heavy like the Maus.

The type 5 used to deliver and does not anymore.

A refund - XPs and crew reset - is justified.

 

 

How about no. You think the tank got nerfed, right? So it was OP before.

So where are my compensations? I've played against hundreds of those before they got nerfed. So why don't I get compensated for every damage they have dealt to my tank? 

 

If you had the tank before the nerf then you could have played with it. You've had your time with it and now it's time to move on. It's not like this was a surprise. They announced the nerfs about a month ago.



vanmakinami #10 Posted 06 May 2019 - 11:51 AM

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I think the 14cm gun is pretty decent now, compared to the howitzer. It's more consistent damage.

Jack_Sparroxx #11 Posted 06 May 2019 - 12:06 PM

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Nice.

 

Tier 10 will be even more a hull down clown fiesta then is now, since type 5 is now pretty much a useless meme kv-2 style tank, As anoying as the HE mechanics is, the type 5 was the only real viable counter to hull down IS7's, Conq's, and chieftains.. and now the kranwagen as well after it got over buffed.

 

So thanks to all the whiners on the forums joining the bit**ing streamers hate train, not realizing that hull down tanks will be even more impossible/annoying to fight.   I think skill is more or less the only streamer that does not go on and on and on crying about the HE mechanics of the Type 5 heavy. 

 

as the old saying goes, be careful what you wish for, you just might get it. 



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View Postvanmakinami, on 06 May 2019 - 11:51 AM, said:

I think the 14cm gun is pretty decent now, compared to the howitzer. It's more consistent damage.

 

You are wrong, gun lack of alpha and reload time/penetration even with gold round spam is weak. You will see  high alpha dmg  in rare cases  most  of times be low alpha and bounces a lot seems like rubber bullets.

the good side is the 14cm have higher he dmg then 15 cm



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View PostSuicide_Wolf, on 06 May 2019 - 12:07 PM, said:

 

You are wrong, gun lack of alpha and reload time/penetration even with gold round spam is weak. You will see  high alpha dmg  in rare cases  most  of times be low alpha and bounces a lot seems like rubber bullets.

the good side is the 14cm have higher he dmg then 15 cm

 

What? If you compare it to other heavy tanks with 560+ alpha its reload time is not bad. Not to mention standard AP pen is second best for 560+ alpha dmg guns on HTs.



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View PostJapualtah, on 06 May 2019 - 10:42 AM, said:

In case you missed it, Skill posted a video about the changes and comes to the expected conclusion that:

- the 14cm is not a viable option

- the 15cm has to be played with full gold load, just like before

- the type 5 is now a sitting duck against the tanks he's supposed to fight, other heavies

- the type 5 is even more broken than before against low armored vehicles

 

These are facts.

Now, every body will have its opinion, mine is that the tank is not worth playing anymore since it misses its primary role, others will think it's more troll than ever and has joined the KV-2 in the Lulz Garage.

 

When will you introduce an exchange option for re-designed tanks WG?

You change a tank, great, I agree with the necessity with most of the recent nerfs - except the T110E5 - so go for it.

But, please, show some respect to your customers and give them the opportunity to get back their investment when reasonable.

I ground the Japanese heavies because I wanted a super heavy like the Maus.

The type 5 used to deliver and does not anymore.

A refund - XPs and crew reset - is justified.

 

Personally, I would ditch the type 5 and get a Mauss.

 

Can I question the real skill of a player that can't use a 600 alpha gun with 257pen on standard round and a 290pen premium  AP shell combined with -10° of gun depression and the tank tallness?

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View PostJapualtah, on 06 May 2019 - 09:42 AM, said:

In case you missed it, Skill posted a video about the changes and comes to the expected conclusion

 



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View PostJapualtah, on 06 May 2019 - 10:42 AM, said:

These are facts.

what facts?

 

pretty sure you misspelled opinion

 

but glad you are selling the less broken type5, less stupid armor layouts around in higher tiers



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1. Skill4ltu's opinion is not the end of all things.
2. 500 guaranteed damage for just randomly pressing stuff was stupid.
3. They could have removed the tank altogether, it shouldn't have been in the game in the first place. Total WG invention. At best it was a drawing on a napkin made by the kid of some japanese engineer back then.

Japualtah #18 Posted 06 May 2019 - 12:53 PM

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View Postbarison1, on 06 May 2019 - 12:41 PM, said:

what facts?

 

pretty sure you misspelled opinion

 

Well, things stated by the best player in the world sound like facts to me, the same way if Perlman says something about the violin I will take it for facts or if I read an Einstein treaty about relativity.

You know, things stated by those who matter.

If you were the best player in the world I also would take what you say for granted :)

 


Edited by Japualtah, 06 May 2019 - 12:56 PM.


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View PostJapualtah, on 06 May 2019 - 12:53 PM, said:

 

Well, things stated by the best player in the work sound like facts to me, the same way if Perlman says something about the violin I will take it for facts or if I read an Einstein treaty about relativity.

You know, things stated by those who matter.

If you were the best player in the world I also would take what you say for granted :)

basically he stated; he preferred the derp to shite on lower tiers more

 

not to mention derp takes more aim/skill than the 14cm to be effective

 

does that make the 14cm bad? no


Edited by barison1, 06 May 2019 - 12:58 PM.


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600 alfa damage with pretty accurate gun, with 257 pen. I doesn't seem that weak. Gunhandling is about as good as on PzVII, and armor and depression is better. Old type 5 was broken and stupid after all. 

Edited by Hezs, 06 May 2019 - 01:01 PM.





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