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xX_All_is_Dust_Xx #1 Posted 09 May 2019 - 12:08 AM

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Senator Josh Hawley (R-MO) proposed a bill on Wednesday that would ban so-called 'loot boxes' and microtransactions for video games targeted at minors, as well as adult games in which kids are known to make in-game purchases

Titled "The Protecting Children from Abusive Games Act," an outline of Hawley's proposed bill also bans game makers from offering "pay-to-win" schemes where players must spend money to gain in-game advantages or additional content, disrupting what Juniper Research estimated could grow into a $50 billion industry by 2022

"Social media and video games prey on user addiction, siphoning our kids’ attention from the real world and extracting profits from fostering compulsive habits," said Hawley in a statement. "No matter this business model’s advantages to the tech industry, one thing is clear: There is no excuse for exploiting children through such practices.

(And exploiting their parents' credit cards)

Offering one “notorious example,” Hawley’s office pointed to Candy Crush, a popular, free smartphone puzzle app that allows users to spend $149.99 on a bundle of goods that include virtual currency and other items that make the game easier to play. -WaPo

"When a game is designed for kids, game developers shouldn’t be allowed to monetize addiction,” Hawley said, adding "And when kids play games designed for adults, they should be walled off from compulsive microtransactions."

According to Polygon, Hawley's outline is modeled after the 1998 Children's Online Privacy Protection Act (COPPA). 

Loot boxes in particular have been criticized for encouraging gambling and other addictive behavior, particularly among children - as they offer what psychologists call "variable rewards" - outcomes that are better or worse depending on seemingly random factors. https://www.zerohedg...rotransactions-

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Dorander #2 Posted 09 May 2019 - 12:11 AM

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Are you sure you're on the right forum?

 

Even if this weren't politics, it's American politics. It doesn't belong here. People who are interested in such things can learn it from their own sources.



A_useless_noob #3 Posted 09 May 2019 - 12:29 AM

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View PostDorander, on 09 May 2019 - 12:11 AM, said:

Are you sure you're on the right forum?

 

Even if this weren't politics, it's American politics. It doesn't belong here. People who are interested in such things can learn it from their own sources.

 

You think games like this won't be effected ?

If_I_Die_You_Die_Too #4 Posted 09 May 2019 - 12:29 AM

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US anti gambling laws are not relevant in the rest of the world

Balc0ra #5 Posted 09 May 2019 - 12:58 AM

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Proposed is the keyword here. And it's a US law, not a world wide law. A Hawaiian governor has worked on it for over a year and gotten some bills voted regarding it in his state. As some games like that are actually banned from sale on Hawaii as is, inc Fifa. But if they get any where with it, it might get the ball rolling here again. As in the EU most nations agreed that loot boxes are not the same as gambling and let it slide. My nation was sadly one of them. 

 

As here you can't spend more then €100 on online Casinos by law pr week to protect gambling addicts. But there is no law that says they can't waste €1000 on Candy Crush daily. 

 

View PostA_useless_noob, on 09 May 2019 - 12:29 AM, said:

 

You think games like this won't be effected ?

 

Unless you ride a hard no BS bargain like Beluga did. Then no I doubt it. Belgia's act on it did not affect the decision for the rest of the EU. And last year in Hawaii, the Governor there had EA over for talks about loot boxes in front of the politicians there. And ofc their lawyers talk a different language about protecting their "artistic rights" etc to counter it. And they had investors that were Republicans that had seats in the house that voted it down before it got there. So the game studios have countered proposals like this with other laws for the last year. How well that works this time remains to be seen if he gets it all the way to the Congress with this. As the last time Hawaii put this to the Congress, it was run by the Republicans on both the Senate and the House. Now the House is run by the Democrats and thus has most of the seats. And I doubt EA has many Democratic investors in the house atm. So it can get far this time. But again.. if it affects EU is a different matter. 

 

So tbh.. I doubt it will prevent WG from doing their X-mas boxes this year.

 



Robbie_T #6 Posted 09 May 2019 - 02:23 AM

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Lucky Wot is not for kids.

Although its 13+ now i dont mind if they make it 18+ or 21+

 



malachi6 #7 Posted 09 May 2019 - 04:34 AM

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How is this related to Gameplay or indeed, WoT in general?  With the possible exception of Christmas where the loot boxes are said to have equal monetary value to a normal purchase at least?

unhappy_bunny #8 Posted 09 May 2019 - 04:51 AM

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I'm not impressed with the noble Senator.

He wants game makers to take on the responsibility of looking after the welfare of children rather than putting the onus on the parents.

He is quite happy for those children to be gunned down while in school, as he does not support gun control, not even to the extent of banning assault grade weapons. He opposes the affordable healthcare policy as well and blames human tafficking on hollywood and pre-marital sex. 

 

So his answer to video-gaming is to ban in-game spending for all, because he knows that games companies cannot make games 100%  age compliant. If a parent lets a kid use their credit card and lie about the kids age, how is any online company supposed to ensure an age limit is adhered to? 

 

 



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You'll never find a politician that will ever blame the parents for anything.

Quint_Gen #10 Posted 09 May 2019 - 06:11 AM

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View PostRobbie_T, on 09 May 2019 - 02:23 AM, said:

Lucky Wot is not for kids.

Although its 13+ now i dont mind if they make it 18+ or 21+

 

 

Pegi 7 in fact

Nishi_Kinuyo #11 Posted 09 May 2019 - 06:49 AM

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View PostQuint_Gen, on 09 May 2019 - 06:11 AM, said:

 

Pegi 7 in fact

18+ infact.



lnfernaI #12 Posted 09 May 2019 - 06:55 AM

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Not in EU - no effects.

 

The only thing that comes close is that crap in Belgium.

 

View PostRobbie_T, on 09 May 2019 - 03:23 AM, said:

Lucky Wot is not for kids.

Although its 13+ now i dont mind if they make it 18+ or 21+

 

The simple fact, is that these days parents do not exactly care about their child.



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 View PostDorander, on 08 May 2019 - 11:11 PM, said:

Are you sure you're on the right forum?

 

Even if this weren't politics, it's American politics. It doesn't belong here. People who are interested in such things can learn it from their own sources.

 

I don’t see any problems if it’s moved to the Other sub-forum as it’s an issue that’s indirectly related to WoT. Personally I think the whole  unregulated “free-to-play” Model has s an accident dent waiting to happen. See also rights over digital content/services.



Japualtah #14 Posted 09 May 2019 - 08:17 AM

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Good post, thanks for bringing this to our attention.

PowJay #15 Posted 09 May 2019 - 08:38 AM

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View PostRobbie_T, on 09 May 2019 - 01:23 AM, said:

Lucky Wot is not for kids.

Although its 13+ now i dont mind if they make it 18+ or 21+

 

 

Do you have a point? It's probably something to do with your win rate because the game is full of kids, right?


My son's stats. He has been playing since he was 13 (by coincidence)

Total
Battles 21970
Ø Tier 6,89
Victories 12119 55,16%
Defeats 9636 43,86%
Draws 215 0,98%
Battles survived 5894 26,83%
Tanks destroyed 25551 1,16
Destruction ratio 1,59
Tanks spotted 36240 1,65
Damage dealt 1.245,80
Capture points 21180 0,96
Defense points 20848 0,95
Experience 526,57
WN7 1572,35
WN8 2071,78

 

Edited by PowJay, 09 May 2019 - 08:44 AM.


arthurwellsley #16 Posted 09 May 2019 - 08:40 AM

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If you want the relevance for World of Tanks in the EU, something similar has begun amongst some of the European nation gambling commissions. One can imagine that due to the diversity in the EU it will take sometime to come to furition and result in an EU regulation that requires member states to enact domestic legislation. But the rumbling about free to play games being allowed certain microtransactions and not be the subject of strict gambling legislation is beginning.

 

WG will probably get away with one or two more years of Christmas loot boxes, but looking into the future and guessing, the oppurtunity for WG to profit from those type of transactions is likely to be finite.

 

https://www.gambling...ration-2018.pdf

 

Interstingly if you look at EU documentation about safer internet for kids there is nothing about microtransactions. The EU focus seems more on gambling and taxable revenues therefrom;

https://ec.europa.eu...ors/gambling_en


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They already have a law to this effect in Belgium. Wargame manage that without a problem, poor sods in Belgium have no access to Xmas loot boxes.

 

Will make no difference to the rest of us raging gambling addicts. 



Wintermute_1 #18 Posted 09 May 2019 - 09:21 AM

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Tbh I wouldn't be sad to see the back of those Christmas Loot boxes. It's a grubby and slightly underhand sales technique for companies lacking confidence in the content they are trying to sell. 

If_I_Die_You_Die_Too #19 Posted 09 May 2019 - 09:29 AM

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The US has an unusual system, it's the constitution versus stupid politicians

 

You can buy a Kalashnikov and 1000 rounds of ammunition, but the politicians are concerned about lootboxes

The TV has non stop adverts for legalised drugs which wreck the lives of millions, but the politicians are concerned about lootboxes

 

If the EU starts to ban stuff too maybe after Brexit the WoT servers will have to relocate to the UK

 

That would improve my ping


Edited by If_I_Die_You_Die_Too, 09 May 2019 - 09:52 AM.


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View Postarthurwellsley, on 09 May 2019 - 07:40 AM, said:

If you want the relevance for World of Tanks in the EU, something similar has begun amongst some of the European nation gambling commissions. One can imagine that due to the diversity in the EU it will take sometime to come to furition and result in an EU regulation that requires member states to enact domestic legislation. But the rumbling about free to play games being allowed certain microtransactions and not be the subject of strict gambling legislation is beginning.

 

WG will probably get away with one or two more years of Christmas loot boxes, but looking into the future and guessing, the oppurtunity for WG to profit from those type of transactions is likely to be finite.

 

https://www.gambling...ration-2018.pdf

 

Interstingly if you look at EU documentation about safer internet for kids there is nothing about microtransactions. The EU focus seems more on gambling and taxable revenues therefrom;

https://ec.europa.eu...ors/gambling_en

 

Not sure I agree with the timescales but yes I do agree that loot boxes days are numbered. Micro transactions, I expect to get regulated but I'm not really sure what form that will take.


Edited by jabster, 09 May 2019 - 09:40 AM.





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