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Unforgiving_Destiny #1 Posted 09 May 2019 - 03:47 PM

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Is it me or this tank is worse than super conqueror in all aspects except movement speed ? i don't know how to play this tank i try playing it as medium other meds out DPM me i try to play it as heavy i can't even sidescrape cause i get penned everywhere.

How to play this tank ?



Pi_314159265358979 #2 Posted 09 May 2019 - 04:05 PM

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Playing with a heavy is not like you fight in the open with an all-eyes-on-me attitude because your tank will end up with more holes than a Gruyère cheese.

 

I have heard that its got a well-armoured turret and a good gun depression angle, so make good use of those advantages!



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Churchill VII >>> Chieftain

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View PostUnforgiving_Destiny, on 09 May 2019 - 02:47 PM, said:

Is it me or this tank is worse than super conqueror in all aspects except movement speed ? i don't know how to play this tank i try playing it as medium other meds out DPM me i try to play it as heavy i can't even sidescrape cause i get penned everywhere.

How to play this tank ?

 

Its one of the most OP tanks in the game. I think the problem might be between the chair and the monitor. Maybe hulldown heavies just aren't your playstyle? Maybe try and IS7.

DeadLecter #5 Posted 09 May 2019 - 04:59 PM

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View PostNaive, on 09 May 2019 - 07:19 PM, said:

 

Its one of the most OP tanks in the game. I think the problem might be between the chair and the monitor. Maybe hulldown heavies just aren't your playstyle? Maybe try and IS7.

 

In fact I think it is the most OP tank in the game. The turret and the upper hull are immune. The gun has great alpha, insane DPM and the highest standard pen among heavies in the game. It's OP AF. More OP than 907 could ever be. At least you can hurt a 907. Even 340 HEAT can't do anything to T95.

Edited by DeadLecter, 09 May 2019 - 05:00 PM.


Duck_of_Death #6 Posted 09 May 2019 - 05:24 PM

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View PostDeadLecter, on 09 May 2019 - 04:59 PM, said:

 

In fact I think it is the most OP tank in the game. The turret and the upper hull are immune. The gun has great alpha, insane DPM and the highest standard pen among heavies in the game. It's OP AF. More OP than 907 could ever be. At least you can hurt a 907. Even 340 HEAT can't do anything to T95.

 

i agree the Tank is OP as f*ck, and even though i would argue that the OPj.279 is at least as overpowered as the chieftain,still i really can`t understand how anyone could  think that the chieftain is a trash tank.

(Ps. you are wrong about the upper plate though it is not immune and can be penned by heat or even AP in the correct Angle you are,however that still doesn`t change the fact that this tank is way too strong)

 

The 907 is completly overrated anyways tbh, it isn`t really that OP in randoms and is only used that much in CW/SH etc, because of it`s troll armor.

It`s a mistery to me anyways that there are so many threads here about the OP 907 but pretty much no one seems to care about the way more OP chieftain on this Forum.



pecopad #7 Posted 09 May 2019 - 05:32 PM

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I think the Op was rubbing our pleb noses on the fact he has a Chieftain...

 

The my other tank is a Chieftain bumper sticker thing

 

On the other hand.... If he wants and WG agrees I can trade it for a tier 8 premium of his choice...


Edited by pecopad, 09 May 2019 - 05:34 PM.


arthurwellsley #8 Posted 09 May 2019 - 05:33 PM

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I see that you own the T95/Chieftain FV4201 clan wars reward tank and that you are not actually referring to the T95/Chieftain.

Unforgiving_Destiny you have actually only played 23 battles in it, which despite your assertion that the tank is poor is realistically far too small a sample size. I reckon a fair number of games for an individual player to get the feel of a pixel tank is more like 100 games.

 

By Unforgiving_Destiny's extremely high standards in other tanks his stats in the T95/Chieftain FV4201 are poor (see win rate and wn8 below). But many other players have far far worse stats in many tier X tanks than he does in the T95/Chieftain FV4201 (he averages over 3k per game damage in it). As others have said some players regard the T95/Chieftain FV4201 as actually more OP than the Object 907.

But look here is a table with the Unforgiving_Destiny's figures for a selected few of his tier X tanks. Please make up your own minds.

 

Tank

damage

Win rate

Wn8

T95/Chieftain FV4201

3021,39

47,83%

2220

Object 907

3048,37

73,53%

2784

Super Conqueror

3570,65

61,58%

3523

M60

3007,10

54,29%

2961

VK 72.-1(K)

3305,98

60,00%

3212

Object 260

3422,68

61,54%

3641

CAX

2643,42

55,43%

2506

 

Edit

 

then I looked at xx984 because I guessed he would also have the clan wars reward T95/Chieftain FV4201

xx984 averages 3971,75 damage per game in it (nearly 4k!), his win rate in it is 60,42% and his wn8 is 3689 so way better than Unforgiving_Destiny, and whats really impressive is xx984 has played almost ten times as many games as Unforgiving_Destiny as xx984 has played 240 battles in it compared to Unforgiving_Destiny's mere 23.

 

 


Edited by arthurwellsley, 11 May 2019 - 09:42 AM.


DeadLecter #9 Posted 09 May 2019 - 06:49 PM

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View PostDuck_of_Death, on 09 May 2019 - 07:54 PM, said:

 

i agree the Tank is OP as f*ck, and even though i would argue that the OPj.279 is at least as overpowered as the chieftain,still i really can`t understand how anyone could  think that the chieftain is a trash tank.

(Ps. you are wrong about the upper plate though it is not immune and can be penned by heat or even AP in the correct Angle you are,however that still doesn`t change the fact that this tank is way too strong)

 

The 907 is completly overrated anyways tbh, it isn`t really that OP in randoms and is only used that much in CW/SH etc, because of it`s troll armor.

It`s a mistery to me anyways that there are so many threads here about the OP 907 but pretty much no one seems to care about the way more OP chieftain on this Forum.

 

How do you pen the upper plate of T95 when it's always hull down? Even when straight head on, it is difficult to pen.  Only HEAT can pen that auto bounce UFP

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View PostDeadLecter, on 09 May 2019 - 05:49 PM, said:

 

How do you pen the upper plate of T95 when it's always hull down? Even when straight head on, it is difficult to pen.  Only HEAT can pen that auto bounce UFP

 

Because it's not an auto bounce UFP, that's misinformation that you've read on the forums

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View PostNaive, on 09 May 2019 - 03:49 PM, said:

 

 think the problem might be between the chair and the monitor. 

you're right, maybe a brand new desk will help his situation, maybe even keyboard and mouse too

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View Postxtrem3x, on 09 May 2019 - 06:10 PM, said:

 

Because it's not an auto bounce UFP, that's misinformation that you've read on the forums

 

its also a bugged tanks.gg model that doesn't show the actual upper plate at the correct angle 

DeadLecter #12 Posted 09 May 2019 - 08:12 PM

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View Postxtrem3x, on 09 May 2019 - 09:40 PM, said:

 

Because it's not an auto bounce UFP, that's misinformation that you've read on the forums

 

Based on tanks.gg, the upper is angled at 70+ degrees, which makes it auto bounce against AP and APCR. I don't have much experience fighting it. My knowledge is based on tanks.gg.

I'd appreciate if you could tell more about the armor.



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View PostDeadLecter, on 09 May 2019 - 08:12 PM, said:

 

Based on tanks.gg, the upper is angled at 70+ degrees, which makes it auto bounce against AP and APCR. I don't have much experience fighting it. My knowledge is based on tanks.gg.

I'd appreciate if you could tell more about the armor.

 

try looking from the side, then you notice the autobounce plate is a fake plate behind the actual front armor which is missing mostly apart from the hull cheeks

 

just a massive tanks.gg armor model bug feature


Edited by barison1, 09 May 2019 - 08:18 PM.


Zirakss #14 Posted 09 May 2019 - 08:22 PM

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Some youtube guys evaluated the tank: It's not bad and similar to the super conqueror. Better in some aspects a little bit worse in others. As the super conqueror it excells at the ridge line.

 

So my conclusion would be: Not thrash for sure, but you should like the play style of the super conqueror.



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I only find HE cannons effective against that thing.

DeadLecter #16 Posted 09 May 2019 - 09:04 PM

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View Postbarison1, on 09 May 2019 - 10:46 PM, said:

 

try looking from the side, then you notice the autobounce plate is a fake plate behind the actual front armor which is missing mostly apart from the hull cheeks

 

just a massive tanks.gg armor model bug feature

Thanks, so where can I find the actual armor model?



barison1 #17 Posted 09 May 2019 - 09:08 PM

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View PostDeadLecter, on 09 May 2019 - 09:04 PM, said:

Thanks, so where can I find the actual armor model?

 

https://armor.wotins...mor&platform=pc

 

this should be a correct one so far im aware, but kinda awkward trying to use this sites armor model






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