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Anymn #1 Posted 11 May 2019 - 10:06 AM

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There is a bug in the current implementation of the manageable x3 xp multiplier. It adds too little xp. Compare the following two situations:

  • For the first victory of the day, the multiplier adds +300% xp (example: base xp 950, x3 button adds +2850xp ).
  • For any battle after the first victory, the multiplier adds +200% xp (example: base xp 1637, x3 button adds +3274xp)

 

This last +200% is against the promise for which I bought premium time. The movie Wargaming published clearly gave examples in which it always is a +300% bonus:

  • Example 1 (0:52): daily double xp: 1414xp. Base xp: 717 Bonus adds +2121xp.
  • Example 2 (0:57): base xp: 980. Bonus adds +2940xp
  • Example 3 (0:58): base xp: 800. Bonus adds +2400xp
  • Example 4 (0:59) base xp: 1800. Bonus adds +5400xp
  • Example 5 (1:00) base xp: 820. Bonus adds +2460xp
  • Example 6 (1:01) base xp: 560. Bonus adds +1680xp

 

 

Added: 

I collected some additional evidence to prove that the current implementation is not working consistently:

Battle 1 - 1st win in a tank: bonus adds +3489 xp, with a base xp of 1163 xp --> 300%

Battle 2 - 2nd win in a tank: bonus adds +3132 xp, with a base xp of 1566 xp --> 200%

 


Edited by Anymn, 11 May 2019 - 04:51 PM.


NekoPuffer_PPP #2 Posted 11 May 2019 - 10:22 AM

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Wow, you're right, it is bugged. :amazed:

 

Edit: it isn't, see post below.


Edited by PervyPastryPuffer, 11 May 2019 - 11:12 AM.


Nishi_Kinuyo #3 Posted 11 May 2019 - 10:46 AM

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You're right, the daily win one should be reduced to +200%.


Edited by Nishi_Kinuyo, 11 May 2019 - 10:49 AM.


Anymn #4 Posted 11 May 2019 - 10:48 AM

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View PostNishi_Kinuyo, on 11 May 2019 - 10:46 AM, said:

You're right, the daily win one should be reduced to +200%.

 

This wouldn't be fair. Wargaming clearly advertised with a +300% in the video they provided.

Nishi_Kinuyo #5 Posted 11 May 2019 - 10:50 AM

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View PostAnymn, on 11 May 2019 - 10:48 AM, said:

 

This wouldn't be fair. Wargaming clearly advertised with a +300% in the video they provided.

It is ×3 exp, so +200%.



Anymn #6 Posted 11 May 2019 - 10:54 AM

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View PostNishi_Kinuyo, on 11 May 2019 - 10:50 AM, said:

It is ×3 exp, so +200%.

 

Which is not what they advertised with.


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NekoPuffer_PPP #7 Posted 11 May 2019 - 11:10 AM

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View PostNishi_Kinuyo, on 11 May 2019 - 10:50 AM, said:

It is ×3 exp, so +200%.

 

Yeah but it's giving him double instead of triple (1637 x 2 = 3274 instead of = 4911).

 

Actually, triplify (well...that's a new word...) the base xp from the standard account calculation, which would be the base xp...wait

 

Figured it out :ohmy:

 

It combines the multipliers as one, therefore in the first battle it's 950 x 8 = 7600 and you got a x2 for win in the 2nd battle so it's effectively 1637 x 5 = 8185

 



Nishi_Kinuyo #8 Posted 11 May 2019 - 11:12 AM

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View PostAnymn, on 11 May 2019 - 10:54 AM, said:

 

Which is not what they advertised with.

Except that they never mentioned that you get +300%.

They clearly showed "×3" in the vid.

They also clearly said "triple your exp", so 100% base +200% making it a triple.

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 Yeah but it's giving him double instead of triple (1637 x 2 = 3274 instead of = 4911).

 Is under a different header.

"Reward for completing mission or event."

PastryPuffer:

 

Figured it out :ohmy:

 

It combines the multipliers as one, therefore in the first battle it's 950 x 8 = 7600 and you got a x2 for win in the 2nd battle so it's effectively 1637 x 5 = 8185

 Yes, so did you read Herr Schmidty's crew exp guide?

It is quite plainly explained in there.

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 Before we come to the actual bonuses and their in-depth description, let us first look at how these bonuses work together in general. I will have to mention some specific bonuses here in the examples, but it should be easy to understand. For details on each bonus, please check the respective chapter.

 

Most of the common bonuses are additive. It means that they 1) are relative to the baseXP you get for a battle and 2) are added up with each other to determine the overall bonus. Example:

+100% tankXPPR is active and the tank played is a tier V premium tank. Those give +40% tank XP bonus as announced and explained in the next chapter. Both are additive bonus and their combined effect is +140% of the baseXP of the battle. If the baseXP is 1.000 XP, then the combined bonusXP is 1.400 XP, making it a total of 2.400 XP.

 


Edited by Nishi_Kinuyo, 11 May 2019 - 11:15 AM.


Anymn #9 Posted 11 May 2019 - 11:18 AM

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View PostNishi_Kinuyo, on 11 May 2019 - 11:12 AM, said:

Except that they never mentioned that you get +300%.

They clearly showed "×3" in the vid.

 

 

 

Please take a look at the examples. It cleary is advertised as an additional x3 xp that you can add as a bonus.


Edited by Anymn, 11 May 2019 - 11:43 AM.


XxKuzkina_MatxX #10 Posted 11 May 2019 - 11:31 AM

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View PostAnymn, on 11 May 2019 - 02:18 PM, said:

Please take a look at the examples. It cleary is an additional x3 xp that you can add as a bonus.

 

I don't read dutch but the x3 is calculated in the same sequence in both examples!

Anymn #11 Posted 11 May 2019 - 11:33 AM

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View PostPervyPastryPuffer, on 11 May 2019 - 11:10 AM, said:

 

Yeah but it's giving him double instead of triple (1637 x 2 = 3274 instead of = 4911).

 

 

View PostXxKuzkina_MatxX, on 11 May 2019 - 11:31 AM, said:

 

I don't read dutch but the x3 is calculated in the same sequence in both examples!

 

I've put an explanation in the OP.

  • (example: base xp 950, x3 button adds +2850xp ).
  • (example: base xp 1637, x3 button adds +3274xp).

 



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View PostAnymn, on 11 May 2019 - 11:18 AM, said:

 

Please take a look at the examples. It cleary is advertised as an additional x3 xp that you can add as a bonus.

 

Which is exactly what you get - an additional bonus that lets you triple your XP i.e. Base + 2xBase = 3x Base.  Video is 100% accurate.

Anymn #13 Posted 11 May 2019 - 11:41 AM

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View PostCmdRatScabies, on 11 May 2019 - 11:38 AM, said:

 

Which is exactly what you get - an additional bonus that lets you triple your XP i.e. Base + 2xBase = 3x Base.  Video is 100% accurate.

 

Please note the word additional. An additional x3 xp bonus. Also consider the following screenshot out of the video.

With 560 base xp, the bonus is advertised as an extra +1680xp. Not a 1120xp bonus.

 

 


Edited by Anymn, 11 May 2019 - 11:42 AM.


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View PostAnymn, on 11 May 2019 - 11:41 AM, said:

 

Please note the word additional. An additional x3 xp bonus. Also consider the following screenshot out of the video.

With 560 base xp, the bonus is advertised as an extra +1680xp. Not a 1120xp bonus.

 

 

 

Yes, it's an additional bonus that gives you 3x XP, as in altogether . It does not say it gives 'an additional 3x XP' as in top of everything else. 

Anymn #15 Posted 11 May 2019 - 11:57 AM

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View PostNUKLEAR_SLUG, on 11 May 2019 - 11:50 AM, said:

 

Yes, it's an additional bonus that gives you 3x XP, as in altogether . It does not say it gives 'an additional 3x XP' as in top of everything else. 

 

Corrected that for you. As people didn't watch, I'll do the math for the examples in the video:

  • Example 1 (0:52): daily double xp: 1414xp. Base xp: 717 Bonus adds +2121xp.
  • Example 2 (0:57): base xp: 980. Bonus adds +2940xp
  • Example 3 (0:58): base xp: 800. Bonus adds +2400xp
  • Example 4 (0:59) base xp: 1800. Bonus adds +5400xp
  • Example 5 (1:00) base xp: 820. Bonus adds +2460xp
  • Example 6 (1:01) base xp: 560. Bonus adds +1680xp

 

That definitely is a x3 on top of everything else, a +300%. Not a +200%.

 

Now, in the game, it currently works as in the video for the daily double. It nicely adds a +300%. For the other examples, it only adds a +200% which doesn't match the advertisement.



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View PostAnymn, on 11 May 2019 - 11:41 AM, said:

 

Please note the word additional. An additional x3 xp bonus. Also consider the following screenshot out of the video.

With 560 base xp, the bonus is advertised as an extra +1680xp. Not a 1120xp bonus.

 

 

 

Doesn't say that though.  He says "Manageable additional experience bonus"  "you can triple ...".  Vid is correct.

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View PostCmdRatScabies, on 11 May 2019 - 12:00 PM, said:

 

Doesn't say that though.  He says "Manageable additional experience bonus"  "you can triple ...".  Vid is correct.

 

The video is not correct. The numbers it shows do not match with the current game. Please read the example above your post.

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View PostAnymn, on 11 May 2019 - 12:06 PM, said:

 

The video is not correct. The numbers it shows do not match with the current game. Please read the example above your post.

 

The bonus works the same as the normal bonuses - there is nothing in the screenshot or video that says Plus x3 it just says x3.

If anything there is an inconsistency in the x5 bonus in your first example which does appear to be adding a x5 - not sure what's going on there.


Edited by CmdRatScabies, 11 May 2019 - 12:12 PM.


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View PostCmdRatScabies, on 11 May 2019 - 03:10 PM, said:

If anything there is an inconsistency in the x5 bonus in your first example which does appear to be adding a x5 - not sure what's going on there.

 

Military parade event, x5 XP for the first win of the day.

NekoPuffer_PPP #20 Posted 11 May 2019 - 12:22 PM

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View PostAnymn, on 11 May 2019 - 12:06 PM, said:

The video is not correct. The numbers it shows do not match with the current game. Please read the example above your post.

 

Your math is not correct.

 

You received a x2 bonus from the regular first win bonus, that's 1637 x 2 = 3274. The x3 mutliplier combines with the x2 multiplier from the daily win, creating an x5 overall multiplier. Because 2 + 3 = 5 :sceptic:

 

So, 1637 x 5 = 8185

 

What you're doing wrong is first doubling 1637 to get 3274, then tripling 1637 to get 4911 and adding 1637 and 3274 with 4911 to get a false result of 9822. You're not supposed to add the 1637 twice, it's a single calculation.






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