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[ivanitza]

Snaques, on 15 May 2019 - 06:37 PM, said:

 

So if it had DPM of 500 and dispersion of 0.6, it would still be broken and OP just 'cause it has reverse autoreloader? If you fail to understand that there are multiple balancing factors in WoT, it's your problem.

 

A tank is broken when it messes up the meta or game balance and IS-3A certainly does neither. It is a balanced tank and the reversed autoreloader just makes it easier to play than the italian one. That being said, it's still not anything special or something that would induce fear like say a Defender.

 

I don't have one and I don't want one cause it doesn't seem that good and especially not that fun.

 

Does it have 0.6 dispersion and 500 dpm? What are you talking about, how can we have conversation if you talk nonsense? You mention crappy mobility, it's mobile like Lowe for example. With IS3A armor that is ok. Maybe it's not broken like obj 430u, but it's still bad thing for the game to make and sell tanks like is3a

[imedbouazizi23]

oh look the Bias-3A is here after 5 months, gj WG keep destroying this game by selling those OP edited tanks  >:o >

Edited by BunnyCommander, 16 May 2019 - 09:37 AM.
don't swear

[Christofia]

Snaques, on 15 May 2019 - 06:37 PM, said:

 

... If you fail to understand that there are multiple balancing factors in WoT, it's your problem.

... It is a balanced tank and the reversed autoreloader just makes it easier to play than the italian one. That being said, it's still not anything special ...

 

If there is anybody who fails to understand anything it is you. Just few examples:

-The T34 has overall worse gun handling, only better dispersion values, somewhat similar mobility, not existing hull armor.

-112 has almost the same gun handling, it's just a bit better, but has no soviet magic armor nor potato reverse auto-reloder.

-The O-HO's gun is almost as unreliable, it's not even close in any other aspects to the IS-3A.

-Even the regular IS-3 has worse aim time than the A version (yes, it has better soft stats, I know)

So all these tanks have slightly better, similar or even worse gun handling, mobility, DPM but none of them has Stalinium all around armor (exccept IS-3 Ofc), nor idiot proof reverse autoloader with huge burst damage potential and decent DPM.

So what are those balancing factors again?

 

"not anything special or something"

 

Man, it is literally the ONLY tank with this mechanic in the game among hundreds of tanks.

Yeah, I guess it's not that special.

 

eekeeboo, on 13 May 2019 - 04:27 PM, said:

 

I remember clearly sharing that the tank would likely be sold in the future.

Christofia, on 13 May 2019 - 05:58 PM, said:

 

Would you be so kind to show us a link or something where this information was 'shared'?

 

 

Hard request, still no answer, huh?

[Gremlin182]

Wouldn't mind an IS3a but had a few extra expenses this month so nope.

 

I would also be buying it purely for the autoloader, or is that reverse autoreloader.

The ability to put 3 shots into an enemy in 6 seconds and then have a better rof than the standard IS3 is tempting.

Is that really worth getting a tank that otherwise I would not consider at all.

 

Maybe it will turn up in some future loot box I buy

[BabyYodalorian]

IS3A, great tank for Frontlines, no buyer's remorse with this one WG, good for end phase and early phase, mediocre around mid phase.  Could you make Defender II with the same reversed auto-loader and make it the first tier 9 premium in the game ?   Is that the secret frontline  tank?  

 

http://wotreplays.eu/site/4890498?secret=f13efaa66a560824a43097d532b7a54f

 

One of my first frontline games in it with stock crew with a few funny moments, directive used for 6s, keep in mind I am trying to survive in it as long as possible and do damage I had 300% exp for crew running... It might be useful for new or average players what to expect from it.

I am below average player and this tank makes me feel like one of them blue players almost, not sure I would want to play with it the random matches, many people would end up on blocked list...

 

 

[Snaques]

Christofia, on 16 May 2019 - 03:49 AM, said:

If there is anybody who fails to understand anything it is you. Just few examples:

-The T34 has overall worse gun handling, only better dispersion values, somewhat similar mobility, not existing hull armor.

-112 has almost the same gun handling, it's just a bit better, but has no soviet magic armor nor potato reverse auto-reloder.

-The O-HO's gun is almost as unreliable, it's not even close in any other aspects to the IS-3A.

-Even the regular IS-3 has worse aim time than the A version (yes, it has better soft stats, I know)

So all these tanks have slightly better, similar or even worse gun handling, mobility, DPM but none of them has Stalinium all around armor (exccept IS-3 Ofc), nor idiot proof reverse autoloader with huge burst damage potential and decent DPM.

So what are those balancing factors again?

 

"not anything special or something"

 

Man, it is literally the ONLY tank with this mechanic in the game among hundreds of tanks.

Yeah, I guess it's not that special.

Hope you are not dreaming of a career as a lawyer as your argumentation and skill to present your case are truly lacking. You do realize that you are comparing this "hugely OP and broken" tank to maybe the most outdated premium HT, preferential MM HT and a recently nerffed HT?

 

What comes to the armor, the T34 will still have way better armor in it's intended use which is hull down, O-Ho may bounce more as well but not sure and finally the 112 (a tier 7.5 tank) has a WAY stronger armor no matter how much you want to believe in that Russian bias / Stalinium hubba hubba. So armor wise it is quite in the middle of HTs.

 

When you compare it to it's actual competitors like Defender, Patriot, Somua and maybe Löwe / Liberte, you will notice that it has WAY worse accuracy and all of the soft stats. Even the aiming time is awful compared to everything else except for the Soviet ones. On top of this it has worst penetration, view range, power to weight, turret traverse, bad tank traverse and terrain resistances and even the armor is in the lower half of the bunch.

 

So you can drool over the amazing reloader all you want, but there are plenty of balancing factors. And these are not something that I am subjectively making up, these are facts.

 

And no, I'm not saying it's bad or terrible, just that it is not op and not broken.

 

Edited by Snaques, 16 May 2019 - 03:45 PM.

[Darky1029]

With this attitude towards the longevity of the game you'll soon destroy it completely.

Why do you insist on short term profit above long term, keep selling OP crap and milking the player-base, keep ruining the game more and more. The player base is still at a decline even with your aggressive marketing. Listen to your community contributors for once, all of them are saying the same things.

[Christofia]

Snaques, on 16 May 2019 - 03:44 PM, said:

Hope you are not dreaming of a career as a lawyer as your argumentation and skill to present your case are truly lacking. You do realize that you are comparing this "hugely OP and broken" tank to maybe the most outdated premium HT, preferential MM HT and a recently nerffed HT?

 

What comes to the armor, the T34 will still have way better armor in it's intended use which is hull down, O-Ho may bounce more as well but not sure and finally the 112 (a tier 7.5 tank) has a WAY stronger armor no matter how much you want to believe in that Russian bias / Stalinium hubba hubba. So armor wise it is quite in the middle of HTs.

 

When you compare it to it's actual competitors like Defender, Patriot, Somua and maybe Löwe / Liberte, you will notice that it has WAY worse accuracy and all of the soft stats. Even the aiming time is awful compared to everything else except for the Soviet ones. On top of this it has worst penetration, view range, power to weight, turret traverse, bad tank traverse and terrain resistances and even the armor is in the lower half of the bunch.

 

So you can drool over the amazing reloader all you want, but there are plenty of balancing factors. And these are not something that I am subjectively making up, these are facts.

 

And no, I'm not saying it's bad or terrible, just that it is not op and not broken.

 

 

I do not need to be a lawyer to make valid arguments and prove you are wrong.

 

I proved my point, I compered it to only a few examples, but you can compare it to anything you want to. Yet you quote me something I've never written ("hugely OP and broken&quot and by doing that you simply lied (not a nice thing IMO). And since it seems like you really like your facts fair and square, here are some facts for you:

 

-IS-3A has one of the highest win rate of T8 heavies, just behind the Defender and some rare tanks (https://wotlabs.net/eu/tankStats).

-Same goes for average damage (behind IS-5, KV-4 Kresl. and Defender)

 

If you have some common sense by now you can already tell something is fishy with the tank. Still, if the facts do not satisfy you entirely, most of the community contributors have the same opinion of the tank, that it is OP, or at least broken:

 

https://www.twitch.t...ge=7d&sort=time (SirFoch, quick truth)

https://www.youtube....h?v=Z73YD3ezmfc (skill4ltu, it's rage)

https://www.youtube....h?v=y7gWejkjCKw (orzanel, it's f*kin hilarious)

https://www.twitch.t...beseScallionYee (circon short)

and of course Claus: https://www.youtube....h?v=dKeCGgOTZBI (whole video is golden)

Even Cockybaby- who often acts as a WG's lackey- admitted it's OP. And I guess there are many others out there whom I don't know.

 

Or just read this forum topic, clearly most people think this tank is way better than your average T8 heavy (even if there are other unbalanced premiums like the Defender)

 

So basically it's just overall better than every other tank you mentioned except for the Defender.

 

'it is not op and not broken'

 

According to all statistics, the majority of the streamers, youtubers, players - yes, yes it is.

 

You don't have to admit you are wrong, just stop stating bullsh*t thinks like it's not OP/broken and or it's not unique.

[Snaques]

Christofia, on 16 May 2019 - 07:45 PM, said:

 

I do not need to be a lawyer to make valid arguments and prove you are wrong.

 

I proved my point, I compered it to only a few examples, but you can compare it to anything you want to. Yet you quote me something I've never written ("hugely OP and broken&quot and by doing that you simply lied (not a nice thing IMO). And since it seems like you really like your facts fair and square, here are some facts for you:

 

-IS-3A has one of the highest win rate of T8 heavies, just behind the Defender and some rare tanks (https://wotlabs.net/eu/tankStats).

-Same goes for average damage (behind IS-5, KV-4 Kresl. and Defender)

 

If you have some common sense by now you can already tell something is fishy with the tank. Still, if the facts do not satisfy you entirely, most of the community contributors have the same opinion of the tank, that it is OP, or at least broken:

 

https://www.twitch.t...ge=7d&sort=time (SirFoch, quick truth)

https://www.youtube....h?v=Z73YD3ezmfc (skill4ltu, it's rage)

https://www.youtube....h?v=y7gWejkjCKw (orzanel, it's f*kin hilarious)

https://www.twitch.t...beseScallionYee (circon short)

and of course Claus: https://www.youtube....h?v=dKeCGgOTZBI (whole video is golden)

Even Cockybaby- who often acts as a WG's lackey- admitted it's OP. And I guess there are many others out there whom I don't know.

 

Or just read this forum topic, clearly most people think this tank is way better than your average T8 heavy (even if there are other unbalanced premiums like the Defender)

 

So basically it's just overall better than every other tank you mentioned except for the Defender.

 

'it is not op and not broken'

 

According to all statistics, the majority of the streamers, youtubers, players - yes, yes it is.

 

You don't have to admit you are wrong, just stop stating bullsh*t thinks like it's not OP/broken and or it's not unique.

 

Well I couldn't bother to look for the exact quote as the message was still valid, you think the tank is OP to the point that you are mad that it is up for sale.

 

The win rates are hugely misleading for a tank that so few people own and most of whom have been willing to spend a lot to get one. This usually means that the player is invested into the game and at least more experienced and often better than the average player. I bet you think Chimera is the most OP thing ever in WoT.

 

Also, based on Wot-Life the winrate for IS-3A is 51,83%, so there's that:

https://en.wot-life.com/eu/serverstats/

 

Those tuber impressions were all first impressions right when the tank came out. Their main concern was the reverse autoloader which rubs people the wrong way as it is easier to play and removes some of the edge that better players can get with Italian ones. I've watched their videos quite a bit and haven't heard a single complaint about the tank since January, contrary to Defender or pre-nerf Bobject. This is to say, that I think that it was an over reaction based on first impression and "dumping down" WoT.

 

 

Also, like I said I'm never worried one bit about the tank when I meet one and don't really mind how many WG sells. Actually the more they do the better as it's not out of my pocket and keeps the game running.

 

EDIT: Maybe I should dumb down my english as well if you are being so literal. "Nothing special" doesn't mean it isn't unique. A tank could be shaped like a vacuum cleaner, but if it isn't particularly good you could say it's nothing special.

 

EDIT2: Those youtubers were reviewing the tank when most of their opponents didn't even know the tank had an autoreloader gun. Today people know how to play against them making it so much harder to get a clip in.

Edited by Snaques, 16 May 2019 - 08:46 PM.

[Christofia]

Snaques, on 16 May 2019 - 08:27 PM, said:

Well I couldn't bother to look for the exact quote as the message was still valid, you think the tank is OP to the point that you are mad that it is up for sale...

 

Sorry to inform you, but I'm not even mad, I'm just generally sad about everything what's going on with the game, including the OP premium rain (because I liked this game a lot in the past, and I'm still trying to like it). We reached the point when WG sells them literally day by day.

 

Funny how you've just supposed I am dumb enough to not to know that a tank like the Chimera has exceptionally good statistics not because it's so good, but because only a certain group of players can have it. You see, that's why I wrote 'just behind the Defender and some rare tanks' and 'behind IS-5, KV-4 Kresl'. (Just a hint for you: don't gamble.)

The thing is, to have -for example- the Chimera you mentioned, you have to pass a more or less serious chain of missions, meanwhile a few years ago anybody could purchase the IS-3A, just as in December anybody could buy 3 or more loot boxes, get lucky and obtain it. Just in this topic somebody claimed he had it for 6 euros and as we all know thousands of players bought tens of thousands of loot boxes during the event. So the player base of it is way, way larger than of those special tanks like the Chimera, IS-5 etc. In fact, it's more played than, for example the Somua SM (and many others) what you can buy every other week. Check any statistical sites for facts.

And it's still on the top of the lists.

 

I understood you the first time mate, maybe it's 'nothing special' to you, but it's still a unique and special tank in every aspect including the gun mechanics, game style and effectiveness.

 

Anyways, I said what I wanted to and I'm done with explaining why and how the IS-3A is broken and why tanks like it shouldn't be in the game in the first place.

If you still think it's a balanced vehicle and there is nothing wrong with selling these kind of tanks in the game, it's not my problem.

 

[Ma7rix]

great now you can buy IS3-A for 44 euros and last christmas some people paid many hundreds of euros of it....

Edited by Ma7rix, 18 May 2019 - 11:24 AM.

[Rozbrus]

I bought the IS3-A as I already have Somua SM and just wanted to try the tank. Ifr someone thinks Somua is slow, with IS3-A you must doublecheck you really have W pressed. Yes, that slow it is. Somua is a racer in comparison. Also the gun on IS3-A is moody. Sometimes it does not hit a barn from point blank and then I got a reward for 10 hits of enemies in a row...

 

http://wotreplays.eu/site/4892962#malinovka-rozbrus-is-3a

 

However if anyone is still thinking about these tanks, I would go Somua all the way.

[smokeytheband1t]

pretty heinous.. first you force those who want the tank into a lootbox hell .. only to sell it anyway as a store tank.. very ethical...  all so you can double tap all those who went bust on the lootbox scheme? (aslong as they don't realize you how you are effin them over i guess)

Edited by smokeytheband1t, 20 May 2019 - 12:25 AM.