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DeadLecter #1 Posted 14 May 2019 - 06:29 PM

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In the next episode of FL we can choose Emil 1951 and all T8s will be unlocked. I don't want STA-2, it's just another 240 alpha T8 medium and I already have Progetto, I highly doubt STA can be compared to Progetto. 
I'm stuck between WZ 111 and Emil 1951. On paper, Emil 1951 looks like a worse version of Emil 1. Horrible dispersion on hull and turret movement, bad aim time, bad penetration and the turret gets penned by TX guns easily. The mobility also seems bad, my Emil 1 is fully upgraded and it goes 30~35 kph tops. I hate Emil 1. So I think I'll probably hate Emil 1951 as well. 

I was thinking maybe I should pick up WZ-111. It has pref MM and the armor seems nice. The gun besides penetration looks good, and since it's a premium tank it can go full HEAT to deal with those T8 and T9 heavies. Those who have played WZ-111, what do you think of the tank?


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shikaka9 #2 Posted 14 May 2019 - 06:33 PM

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worst premium tier 8 tank 

Denisian #3 Posted 14 May 2019 - 06:39 PM

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It's closer to a medium than a heavy. The armor isn't that good but you can bounce some shots here and there. It is similar to the 110 with stock gun.

Mimos_A #4 Posted 14 May 2019 - 07:07 PM

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186mm pen on a tier 8 heavy says no...

Kooallu #5 Posted 14 May 2019 - 07:14 PM

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View PostDeadLecter, on 14 May 2019 - 07:29 PM, said:

 the turret gets penned by TX guns easily.

 

emil 1 and emil 1951 have over 300mm turret armor when hulldown, they can easily bounce tier 9 and 10

NUKLEAR_SLUG #6 Posted 14 May 2019 - 07:15 PM

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I wouldn't bother with WZ111, STA2 is pretty good tho. 

Balc0ra #7 Posted 14 May 2019 - 08:10 PM

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You have the tier 9 WZ-111 1-4. Take that, mount the top turret and 600 HP engine. Mount the 175 pen gun and how that is as top tier is more or less the premium WZ-111 with +1 MM. The only thing that saves it vs the IS-6 is the 250 HEAT pen. And you will use that alot.

DeadLecter #8 Posted 14 May 2019 - 08:23 PM

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View PostBalc0ra, on 14 May 2019 - 10:40 PM, said:

You have the tier 9 WZ-111 1-4. Take that, mount the top turret and 600 HP engine. Mount the 175 pen gun and how that is as top tier is more or less the premium WZ-111 with +1 MM. The only thing that saves it vs the IS-6 is the 250 HEAT pen. And you will use that alot.

 

Well then I guess I was wrong thinking it might be a good tank. Not a single comment about WZ even being OK. Guess I'll have to choose between Emil and STA. 

Btw I suck in WZ-111 1-4 even with the top gun and turret.



Kozzy #9 Posted 14 May 2019 - 08:45 PM

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I actually think the tank is fine. For me it has a fairly balanced platform and gun. Since the MM change it sees much more favourable teams, it makes good money and I win 3% more battles over my average. I often prefer playing it over my obj252 as it doesn't see t10. Go on the test server and try before you buy as well as watch some videos on YouTube and WoTReplays.

NUKLEAR_SLUG #10 Posted 14 May 2019 - 08:46 PM

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Hang on until they decide to tell us what the super secret final tank is, you may want to save your Frontline points for that if its any good. 



arthurwellsley #11 Posted 14 May 2019 - 08:57 PM

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I have the Kranvagn. I kept the Emil and put a new crew in it. I thought that prior to the re-work the Emil on tier VIII was decent. I sold the EMil II.

I have the WZ111-5A. I really liked the WZ111-4 which is a decent tier IX heavy, although I sold it.

I have the WZ 111 which I use quite often to train the 5A crew.

I also have an IS6 (now useless), an IS5 (CW reward) and an Object 252U.

I get some really good results in my WZ 111, but you have to be careful to play it as a heavium most of the time.

If you get top tier in 3/5/7 it can be a complete bully. Same if top tier in 5/10.

Because of the preMM it sees top tier IX. The HEAT is good, but also it can flank super heavies and is low to the ground so can get underneath their guns as well.

Obviously not as good as the Object 252U, but way way better than the IS6 at present.

Sometimes taking the WZ 111 where the mediums go gives fantastic results. The WZ 111 is flexible, you just need to read the enemy lineup right at the beginning of the battle, watch how the enemy sets up as they light up on the minimap, and relocate if necessary (decent speed on it).

 

If you have a 5A and play CW then a crew trainer WZ 111 is a fine addition.


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DeadLecter #12 Posted 14 May 2019 - 09:13 PM

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View PostNUKLEAR_SLUG, on 14 May 2019 - 11:16 PM, said:

Hang on until they decide to tell us what the super secret final tank is, you may want to save your Frontline points for that if its any good. 

 

Well we can pick two tanks and since I plan on completing all 10 prestige levels I can pick 2. One of them will be the tier IX, (unless it's a pure garbage tank).So I have to decide which tier 8 to pick. I'll wait to see some replays of Emil 1951 when people get it in the next episode, so far I prefer to get WZ-111 over STA-2.

Denisian #13 Posted 14 May 2019 - 09:16 PM

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View PostNUKLEAR_SLUG, on 14 May 2019 - 07:46 PM, said:

Hang on until they decide to tell us what the super secret final tank is, you may want to save your Frontline points for that if its any good. 

 

You must grind to prestige 10 in order to get the tier 9 tank, so you either pick one extra tier 8 tank or convert all leftover points to gold+bonds or whatever the conversion is.

DeadLecter #14 Posted 14 May 2019 - 09:38 PM

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View PostDenisian, on 14 May 2019 - 11:46 PM, said:

 

You must grind to prestige 10 in order to get the tier 9 tank, so you either pick one extra tier 8 tank or convert all leftover points to gold+bonds or whatever the conversion is.

 

Actually you must pick 2 tanks, then you can convert whatever remaining prestige points to gold. If you pick the IX and Emil 1951, then you'll have used all you your points. If say, you pick WZ and Emil, you can convert 5 of your points to gold. So getting the IX and converting the remaining 12 points to gold is not an option.

If_I_Die_You_Die_Too #15 Posted 15 May 2019 - 12:06 AM

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Got the WZ112 with 186 pen and pretty mediocre mobility

 

It's not really one of my goto tanks, nothing about it excels

 

Even the Chrysler has decent mobility and gun handling and its a total weirdo tank

 

If I look at the current crop in the shop only the IS3A and the AMX M4 49 stand out

The AMX is a proper heavy tank which can have great games and has a good gun

The 3A has a decent gun too, with amazing burst damage

Both can make a lot of credits, especially the 3A which can dish out 1000 damage in a 2 minute game where you get 12seconds of battle, get creamed and sent back to the garage

 

The 111 looks good, a real dandy, but I think you would be disappointed if you forked out 40 euros for it

 

GL

 

If you want a good credits maker that Tier7 ISU 122s is amazing and can compete at tier 8 and nine matchmaking, but alas, not eligible for frontline


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Pansenmann #16 Posted 15 May 2019 - 12:18 AM

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View Postshikaka9, on 14 May 2019 - 06:33 PM, said:

worst premium tier 8 tank 

 

it's an old special MM tier 8.

if - IF - WG ever decides to remove special MM it will get buffed. hopefully.

until then I think even the STA-2 is better but I can't really tell as I don't own neither.



Sfinski #17 Posted 15 May 2019 - 05:25 AM

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View PostKooallu, on 14 May 2019 - 08:14 PM, said:

 

emil 1 and emil 1951 have over 300mm turret armor when hulldown, they can easily bounce tier 9 and 10

 

240-250mm effective*

1ncompetenc3 #18 Posted 15 May 2019 - 05:59 AM

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It's alright as a heavium. It can get some bounces here and there, the gun handles better than most 122mm boomsticks and it's decently mobile. Bit of a jack of all trades, master of none in that sense. It does have PMM, and it gets a better premium round than IS-6 for instance to deal with tier VIII and IX heavies.

leggasiini #19 Posted 15 May 2019 - 07:28 AM

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Well EMIL 1951 is almost identical to the EMIL 1 for the most part so if you hated the EMIL 1, you'll very likely hate the 1951 as well. I didn't like the EMIL 1 after the rework (wasn't a big fan of it before the rework either but it was more enjoyable for sure) so I am not gonna bother with EMIL 1951 by myself.

KillingJoker #20 Posted 15 May 2019 - 11:25 AM

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I like mine, also loved the 112 as well... in the case of the WZ 111, you basically have a WZ 111 1-4 stock with less HP and the infamous 122 mm (IS gun)

but you are allways top tier.. as this tank have preferencial mm. 

 

The WZ 111 is faster than most tier 8 heavies, can keep up with mediums, and the  186 mm of penetration wont stop you from killing anything you face with..

specially because the 250 heat penetration shells are also enough to kill anything at tier IX...

 

And i love that gun, that 122 is magical, its supposed to be very inaccurate, and it have a long aim time, but when fully aimed, it usually hits, and when it hits, your enemies cry a lot as somehow tends to high roll a lot, i think its because of its "derpy" nature, tends to cause a lot of criticals in the enemy tanks and therefor inflicts more damage per hit, than you would see with other 390 alpha guns.

 

 


Edited by KillingJoker, 15 May 2019 - 11:26 AM.





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