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PayToWinDude #1 Posted 14 May 2019 - 08:02 PM

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Just bought T34 -85M and played 16 games.

 

11 times bottom tier   3-5-7   and 4-4-7

1 times same tier ,all tier 6

2 times midlle tier

2 times  top tier...only tier 6 and 5

 

I mean wtffffffff..they fix only tier 8 matchmaking, right? And tier 6 cant be matched vs tier 4?? Becouse in 16 games i did not see  any tier 4

 

Gj WG, i will buy more premium tanks, becouse 11/15 games meet  progetto, scoprpion g, pershing,lowe  with T34-85M its very fun!



Balc0ra #2 Posted 14 May 2019 - 08:04 PM

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My Crom B has been in equal tiers all day. You bought the wrong premium. T-34-85M is so broken it works vs anything anyway.

XxKuzkina_MatxX #3 Posted 14 May 2019 - 08:22 PM

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View PostBalc0ra, on 14 May 2019 - 11:04 PM, said:

My Crom B has been in equal tiers all day. You bought the wrong premium. T-34-85M is so broken it works vs anything anyway.

 

"...and Carthage must be destroyed!"

 

So why does the fairly balanced Cromwell B got an overall win rate of 55.1% while the oh-so mighty T-34 got a 51.2%?

 

You're right though, he didn't buy the broken tank that gives you +1-6% win rate bonus.

 

Cromwell B win rate curve:

 

T-34-85M win rate curve:

 


Edited by XxKuzkina_MatxX, 14 May 2019 - 08:36 PM.


PayToWinDude #4 Posted 15 May 2019 - 01:28 AM

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Just got top .After 33 games i finaly play as top tier in premium tank.. Thanks WG :rolleyes:

unhappy_bunny #5 Posted 15 May 2019 - 04:11 AM

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View PostBalc0ra, on 14 May 2019 - 07:04 PM, said:

My Crom B has been in equal tiers all day. You bought the wrong premium. T-34-85M is so broken it works vs anything anyway.

 

View PostXxKuzkina_MatxX, on 14 May 2019 - 07:22 PM, said:

 

"...and Carthage must be destroyed!"

 

So why does the fairly balanced Cromwell B got an overall win rate of 55.1% while the oh-so mighty T-34 got a 51.2%?

 

You're right though, he didn't buy the broken tank that gives you +1-6% win rate bonus.

 

Cromwell B win rate curve:

 

T-34-85M win rate curve:

 

 

Thats because he already has the Cromwell B.

 

 



XxKuzkina_MatxX #6 Posted 15 May 2019 - 04:25 AM

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View Postunhappy_bunny, on 15 May 2019 - 07:11 AM, said:

That's because he already has the Cromwell B.

 

I noticed that last night Mr. Bunny but hate makes me sad too! :)

seXikanac #7 Posted 15 May 2019 - 07:51 AM

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View PostPayToWinDude, on 14 May 2019 - 08:02 PM, said:

Just bought T34 -85M and played 16 games.

 

11 times bottom tier   3-5-7   and 4-4-7

1 times same tier ,all tier 6

2 times midlle tier

2 times  top tier...only tier 6 and 5

 

I mean wtffffffff..they fix only tier 8 matchmaking, right? And tier 6 cant be matched vs tier 4?? Becouse in 16 games i did not see  any tier 4

 

Gj WG, i will buy more premium tanks, becouse 11/15 games meet  progetto, scoprpion g, pershing,lowe  with T34-85M its very fun!

 

I usually play same premium tanks each time and I noticed that MM is time of the day related

NUKLEAR_SLUG #8 Posted 15 May 2019 - 08:10 AM

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The MM can only work with the tanks available in the queue. If there aren't many people playing tier 4 tanks the MM can't magic some up just to make you happy so you're going to end up fighting more against the tanks that are in the queue. 



Japualtah #9 Posted 15 May 2019 - 08:36 AM

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I've been grinding 4 lines recently and except for tier VIII which has nice MM, all other tiers were garbage.

Tier IX is always against tier X except very few games full tier IX and only 2 games against tier VIIs

Tier VI is clearly unplayable.

Tier VII, yesterday, against tier IXs all evening.

 

I nearly finished all grinds and will only play tier VIII and X from now on.



Japualtah #10 Posted 15 May 2019 - 08:52 AM

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View PostNUKLEAR_SLUG, on 15 May 2019 - 08:10 AM, said:

The MM can only work with the tanks available in the queue. If there aren't many people playing tier 4 tanks the MM can't magic some up just to make you happy so you're going to end up fighting more against the tanks that are in the queue. 

 

You'll have to explain why I end up against half tier Xs in most of my tier IX games (and indeed mostly against tier IXs and VIIIs when playing tier X).

It should be all tier IXs and not a mix.

 

Which emphasizes once more that the only viable solution is +1/-1.

While tier Xs are okish when playing a tier X, tier VIIIs are out of the question when playing tier VIs.

 

WG MM is bad, very bad, it doesn't even offer the desired diversity since at tier VIII most games are +0/-0!



DeadLecter #11 Posted 15 May 2019 - 09:53 AM

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T-34-85M i so powerful that it can rape T8s just as well as T7s and 6s.

Slyspy #12 Posted 15 May 2019 - 10:09 AM

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View PostXxKuzkina_MatxX, on 14 May 2019 - 08:22 PM, said:

 

"...and Carthage must be destroyed!"

 

So why does the fairly balanced Cromwell B got an overall win rate of 55.1% while the oh-so mighty T-34 got a 51.2%?

 

You're right though, he didn't buy the broken tank that gives you +1-6% win rate bonus.

 

Cromwell B win rate curve:

 

T-34-85M win rate curve:

 

 

To be fair though the curves also suggest that the Pudel is OP as well, despite being a clumsier VK3002M with a bit of extra side armour. I don't believe that anyone has ever claimed that the Pudel is OP.

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View PostSlyspy, on 15 May 2019 - 10:09 AM, said:

 

To be fair though the curves also suggest that the Pudel is OP as well, despite being a clumsier VK3002M with a bit of extra side armour. I don't believe that anyone has ever claimed that the Pudel is OP.

 

The Cromwell B was OP a few years back. What is the time frame for that graph? if it is only over last 12 months then it looks high to me, if its lifetime then it makes more sense.

Slyspy #14 Posted 15 May 2019 - 10:22 AM

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View PostRati_Festa, on 15 May 2019 - 10:15 AM, said:

 

The Cromwell B was OP a few years back. What is the time frame for that graph? if it is only over last 12 months then it looks high to me, if its lifetime then it makes more sense.

 

The recent graph is pretty similar. But like I said a WR boost can also be seen on the Polish VK3002M (although in this case about 3% over player WR and a little more over the German tech tree counterpart) which has never been talked of in terms of OP. Meanwhile the tech tree Cromwell suggests a WR boost of 1-5% for players of average WR and above. Again, talking about lifetime. 

XxKuzkina_MatxX #15 Posted 15 May 2019 - 10:37 AM

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View PostSlyspy, on 15 May 2019 - 01:09 PM, said:

To be fair though the curves also suggest that the Pudel is OP as well, despite being a clumsier VK3002M with a bit of extra side armour. I don't believe that anyone has ever claimed that the Pudel is OP.

 

As in the forum rhetoric? May i suggest taking a look at the IS-6 win rate curve.

Edited by XxKuzkina_MatxX, 15 May 2019 - 10:37 AM.


Slyspy #16 Posted 15 May 2019 - 12:21 PM

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View PostXxKuzkina_MatxX, on 15 May 2019 - 10:37 AM, said:

 

As in the forum rhetoric? May i suggest taking a look at the IS-6 win rate curve.

 

No, as in ever. 

XxKuzkina_MatxX #17 Posted 15 May 2019 - 12:33 PM

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View PostSlyspy, on 15 May 2019 - 03:21 PM, said:

No, as in ever. 

 

If 'feels' suits you better than numbers then no point discussing the matter further. If you have a real question you can always ask!



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View PostXxKuzkina_MatxX, on 15 May 2019 - 12:33 PM, said:

 

If 'feels' suits you better than numbers then no point discussing the matter further. If you have a real question you can always ask!

 

You realise, of course, that I am discussing the numbers right here. In this case we have a tech tree tank which is almost universally under-performing (VK3002M) while the premium equivalent (in this case a genuine match bar a couple of minor tweaks) shows a WR boost of about 3%. Now if you don't want to discuss the disparity between these numbers, the possible reasons for it and the potential implications for other vehicles then so be it. But this isn't about the feels, this is about understanding the numbers which we are seeing rather than taking them at face value.

XxKuzkina_MatxX #19 Posted 15 May 2019 - 01:04 PM

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View PostSlyspy, on 15 May 2019 - 03:40 PM, said:

You realise, of course, that I am discussing the numbers right here.

 

When your argument involves something like: "anyone has ever claimed that" then i must question what you are discussing.

 

View PostSlyspy, on 15 May 2019 - 03:40 PM, said:

In this case we have a tech tree tank which is almost universally under-performing (VK3002M) while the premium equivalent (in this case a genuine match bar a couple of minor tweaks) shows a WR boost of about 3%.

 

Which is wrong as you can see in the recent curve for the VK that it isn't universally underperforming. If you get to cherry pick tanks and graphs so can i as long as it fits my narrative. Both graphs are correct until proven otherwise and if you still don't like them you can always look at the overall win rate (55.1%).

 

VK 30.02M recent win rate curve:

 

View PostSlyspy, on 15 May 2019 - 03:40 PM, said:

Now if you don't want to discuss the disparity between these numbers, the possible reasons for it and the potential implications for other vehicles then so be it. But this isn't about the feels, this is about understanding the numbers which we are seeing rather than taking them at face value.

 

Discuss what? The over performance of the "broken" Cromwell B or the disparity in performance between the VK and the Pudel?

 

If you have an answer for the former i will gladly share my thoughts with you on the latter!


Edited by XxKuzkina_MatxX, 15 May 2019 - 01:16 PM.


Slyspy #20 Posted 15 May 2019 - 01:27 PM

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View PostXxKuzkina_MatxX, on 15 May 2019 - 01:04 PM, said:

 

When your argument involves something like: "anyone has ever claimed that" then i must question what you are discussing.

 

 

Which is wrong as you can see in the recent curve for the VK that it isn't universally underperforming. If you get to cherry pick tanks and graphs so can i as long as it fits my narrative. Both graphs are correct until proven otherwise and if you still don't like them you can always look at he overall win rate (55.1%).

 

VK 30.02M recent win rate curve:

 

 

Discuss what? The over performance of the "broken" Cromwell B or the disparity in performance between the VK and the Pudel?

 

If you have an answer for the former i will gladly share my thoughts with you on the latter!

 

A number of points here:

 

I had already referenced the numbers when I then mentioned that I had never heard the Pudel being described as OP, counter to the WR graph. That could have kicked off a discussion about reality versus perception, or how the numbers are formed in the case of tech-tree tanks vs premium tanks (eg, does the grind have a significant effect). But no, instead of discussing you pounced on one part of what I said and behaved like an edited

 

I used lifetime curves as a reference because that is what you did in your post highlighting the Cromwell B vs the T-34-85M. I thought it best to reference the same metrics. You'll note, though, that the Pudel still outperforms the VK. Why might that be? Do any of those reasons have implication for other samples?

 

Why do you take everything as a challenge to some sort of authority that you think you hold? Why not just discuss things properly? Why not share your thoughts rather than attack? If you want to continue to discuss the stats of the Cromwells or the T-34-85s or the VK3002Ms then please do so. But that means analysing the source of the data, not just the data itself.


Edited by BunnyCommander, 18 May 2019 - 03:42 PM.
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