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chainreact0r #1 Posted 16 May 2019 - 07:21 AM

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I have come across this guy randomly and he was in the obj 268. I saw 15% winrate on the tank and at first i couldn't believe it. Then i thought he must have a few battles but he clearly does not so i was completely baffled.

After the battle i checked his account and noticed he has a couple of tanks in which he is deliberately playing bad. 

My question is, how can he achieve such a low winrate. My guess is that you have to purposefully impair your teammates in a three man platoon especially in the rhm and the 268.

https://imgur.com/a/EOvKaYl

edit: Forgot to mention that when i checked a couple of other tanks i found some 2 marks on a couple of tanks. The T110E5 comes to mind since he had 2 marked it but the current was 18%, so he is definitely a good player intentionally going for low winrate.


Edited by chainreact0r, 16 May 2019 - 07:32 AM.


Suurpolskija #2 Posted 16 May 2019 - 07:28 AM

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I dunno. I have sub 40% wins in T49 in which I have (without checking) some ~150 games and I actually play it most times like I'd play any other light tank. 

Also TVP T50/51 I have sub 40% wins, even though my wn8 is ok in it. The sample size is mere 50 games though. 

So. You CAN keep getting bad luck, because random is random, it doesn't mean it'll even itself out in time. 

 

But yeah, there's people who actively try to troll other people by making them lose. I saw a M103 who said he suicides every match if XVM shows sub 50% chance to win, so he had 23% wins in his M103 and similar WR on many other tanks. I guess he never thought how his own stats affect the XVM's estimation... 



Wintermute_1 #3 Posted 16 May 2019 - 07:38 AM

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Its possible to have an atrocious WR over a relatively low number of battles (1 or 2 hundred), I currently have a 20% wr in the Amx m4 mle 45, a tank that I assume I'm playing pretty averagely - it just doesnt win. But I guess the 0 wn8s that go along with this guys tanks confirm that he is infact just trolling his own team.

iztok #4 Posted 16 May 2019 - 07:56 AM

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Hi!

> How to get this winrate over these many battles?

I can't imagine what he is doing to hinder his team so badly. If he would be team-killing, he'd be alrady banned for life. Having so bad WR over so many battles should statistically be next-to-impossible. :amazed:

 

So maybe there was some data error when obtaining his battle record? :confused: Can you check again, but this time through wargaming player account service? (https://worldoftanks...unity/accounts/)

 

BR,  Iztok


Edited by iztok, 16 May 2019 - 08:01 AM.


chainreact0r #5 Posted 16 May 2019 - 08:05 AM

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View Postiztok, on 16 May 2019 - 07:56 AM, said:

Hi!

> How to get this winrate over these many battles?

I can't imagine what he does to hinder his team so badly. If he would be team-killing, he'd be alrady banned for life. Having so bad WR over so many battles should statistically be next-to-impossible. :amazed:

 

So maybe there was some data error when obtaining his battle record. :confused:

 

BR,  Iztok

 

Don't think there is any error in the data. Also you don't have to teamkill in order to impair your team. Blocking good hulldown positions with your light tank or just bumping into allies stopping them from shooting. A really classic example would be bumping into someone so much that he gets pissed off and TK's you, turning blue in the process which results in himself getting teamkilled. Also the other two people in the platoon can do basically nothing as well, which makes your team lack 4 tanks essentially. Doing this in tier X matches virtually makes that battle impossible to carry hence the atrocious winrate over that many battles is achievable.

Another thing i forgot to mention was that in the battle i found him he was platoon with two 3k wn8 guys, so he must be a good player going for some kind of low winrate experiment.


Edited by chainreact0r, 16 May 2019 - 08:06 AM.


____Green____ #6 Posted 16 May 2019 - 08:09 AM

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Well then after this puppy your eyes will bleed.

 

 

I think that player you posted above is meat for fake battles. Two mirror platoons of three players, EU2 server @ 4:00AM on 1...2...3.. almost 100% chance to have mirror platoon on opposit side. 


Edited by ____Green____, 16 May 2019 - 08:15 AM.


chainreact0r #7 Posted 16 May 2019 - 08:14 AM

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View Post____Green____, on 16 May 2019 - 08:09 AM, said:

Well then after this puppy your eyes will bleed.

 

Absolutely glorious. I actually think getting 5% winrate is just as hard as getting 80%+.



BravelyRanAway #8 Posted 16 May 2019 - 08:15 AM

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View Postchainreact0r, on 16 May 2019 - 06:21 AM, said:

 My guess is that you have to purposefully impair your teammates in a three man platoon especially in the rhm and the 268.

That would be correct, there's even a sub-clan with members that post on this forum, that do exactly that with the same results. They're mostly purply on their mains, but created a sub-clan for trolling. Sad.

 



OreH75 #9 Posted 16 May 2019 - 08:17 AM

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View Post____Green____, on 16 May 2019 - 08:09 AM, said:

Well then after this puppy your eyes will bleed.

 

 

I think that player you posted above is meat for fake battles. Two mirror platoons of three players, EU2 server @ 4:00AM on 1...2...3.. almost 100% chance to have mirror platoon on opposit side. 

Nah he is those players were just unlucky with the MM since winrate does not reflect skill I read somewhere else.


Edited by OreH75, 16 May 2019 - 08:19 AM.


____Green____ #10 Posted 16 May 2019 - 08:17 AM

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Try to find that replay where you played with that player. Check opposit side for similar platoon. If there will be +/- same setup mirror platoon - there is chance that they are boosting someone.

Bora_BOOM #11 Posted 16 May 2019 - 08:30 AM

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Those numbers can’t be "achieved" without deliberately doing things that will make your team lose. 50 or 100 battles and sub 30% should be sanctioned in some way.

iztok #12 Posted 16 May 2019 - 08:36 AM

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View PostBravelyRanAway, on 16 May 2019 - 08:15 AM, said:

 My guess is that you have to purposefully impair your teammates in a three man platoon especially in the rhm and the 268.

That would be correct, there's even a sub-clan with members that post on this forum, that do exactly that with the same results. They're mostly purply on their mains, but created a sub-clan for trolling. Sad.

 

 

So, having fun at deliberately spoiling fun for others? :ohmy: 

The dark side of the 'net. :(



chainreact0r #13 Posted 16 May 2019 - 08:46 AM

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View Post____Green____, on 16 May 2019 - 08:17 AM, said:

Try to find that replay where you played with that player. Check opposit side for similar platoon. If there will be +/- same setup mirror platoon - there is chance that they are boosting someone.

 

Don't have the replay anymore but the battle was around 7pm and we were in 5-10 mm, my platoon vs theirs basically and we won, so slim chances they were boosting i would say.

mpf1959 #14 Posted 16 May 2019 - 12:09 PM

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So one player can cause an entire team to lose, at his will? Or are there "other" factors?

So does this mean that there is just as much skill in causing losses as there is with causing wins?  :teethhappy:

 



chainreact0r #15 Posted 16 May 2019 - 12:27 PM

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View Postmpf1959, on 16 May 2019 - 12:09 PM, said:

So one player can cause an entire team to lose, at his will? Or are there "other" factors?

So does this mean that there is just as much skill in causing losses as there is with causing wins?  :teethhappy:

 

 

Not one player, but a platoon of three.

And yes, having 8% overall winrate requires the knowledge of how to best mess with the rest 12 teammates to ensure defeat. In order to do that you have to have a quite thorough understanding of the game mechanics, and the tactics and positions that win games in order to stop your team from effectively using them. If someone can do that, then they can easily get 65%+ winrate in the same 3-man platoon if they wished.



CmdRatScabies #16 Posted 16 May 2019 - 12:34 PM

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View Postchainreact0r, on 16 May 2019 - 12:27 PM, said:

 

Not one player, but a platoon of three.

And yes, having 8% overall winrate requires the knowledge of how to best mess with the rest 12 teammates to ensure defeat. In order to do that you have to have a quite thorough understanding of the game mechanics, and the tactics and positions that win games in order to stop your team from effectively using them. If someone can do that, then they can easily get 65%+ winrate in the same 3-man platoon if they wished.

 

I guess starting an outbreak of tit-for-tat TKing would be the way to do it, so maybe doesn't need too much skill.  Grinding tier 10 to troll is a bit special though.

Brownape #17 Posted 16 May 2019 - 12:59 PM

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I know of certain individuals that purposely sabotage their team to try and achieve the lowest WR possible. They are all 2nd/3rd accounts of those frustrated with the game

 

just check -UM out



KillingJoker #18 Posted 16 May 2019 - 01:26 PM

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Yesterday i was playing on mountain pass with my M4 rev, and there was a guy playing with the Batchat AP full health, stayed in the base the entire game hidden on the bushes... i tought initially he was afk, after i died trying to defend our base, the remaining enemy tanks were like one shot to him and i started seing the batchat was actually moving the turret... he was not afk, he was just sit there in the base with 3 enemies caping all of them one shot for him...and if they died we would have win because our heavies were going to kill the arties...

 

So they cap and in those 1, 2 seconds after the game ends that we are still allowed to shot, and sometimes kill enemies, the batchat shot twice, not killing a single of them...

it was just his way of showing the team he wanted to lose....

 

I checked  his stats, 43% player... tought about sending a ticket to WG but i was trying to second mark the m4 and i didnt wanted to get out of focus... 

 

some people just like to anoy others, when they are not good enough in the game to anoy enemy players, they just anoy the people who unfortunaly get in their team...



Bordhaw #19 Posted 16 May 2019 - 06:37 PM

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View Postchainreact0r, on 16 May 2019 - 06:21 AM, said:

I have come across this guy randomly and he was in the obj 268. I saw 15% winrate on the tank and at first i couldn't believe it. Then i thought he must have a few battles but he clearly does not so i was completely baffled.

After the battle i checked his account and noticed he has a couple of tanks in which he is deliberately playing bad. 

My question is, how can he achieve such a low winrate. My guess is that you have to purposefully impair your teammates in a three man platoon especially in the rhm and the 268.

https://imgur.com/a/EOvKaYl

edit: Forgot to mention that when i checked a couple of other tanks i found some 2 marks on a couple of tanks. The T110E5 comes to mind since he had 2 marked it but the current was 18%, so he is definitely a good player intentionally going for low winrate.

 

I'd check on a few other stat websites. Some of the stat websites you can find players with 35 million games......

Ggorc #20 Posted 17 May 2019 - 02:28 AM

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Impersonate a bad player to be put in better teams, than tell the better guys in the team you have to carry, git good.




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