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Strizi #1 Posted 16 May 2019 - 07:38 PM

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-They did go trough with the stupid counternerfs - why wg why take away hp and mobility from the weakest t10 med?

-The change to 70kph is pointless because you barely reach it

-0.29 base accuracy is basically the same crap, you will not hit weakspots reliably from the range wg intends the tank to be - should be 0.25 really

-dispersion feels better but its still not on russian or mongocar level but atleast it doesnt feel like t5 gunhandling anymore

-420 alpha is nice but i dont like the over 7 sec. reload

-278 standard apc = good, 323 premium apcr = i dont know, i would prefer 330 heat especially for stupid swedish tanks

 

They should atleast ditch the counternerfs and see how it performs on live.



SplittingVoid #2 Posted 16 May 2019 - 08:22 PM

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Yep....absolutely the same concerns shared by me. Also,, rev speed and traverse have been nerfed as well...reload on test server was increased from 8.34 to 8.7 which was fine but unfortunately it was further increased to 9.3 s of base reload...so ....really unfortunate news

Yosef1 #3 Posted 16 May 2019 - 10:25 PM

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I don't understand how people still have hope for WG to do things correctly.

They really touch things that none ever asked for or is needed to be touched,

same for STB, that is nerf instead of buff

it feels like they have no idea what they are buffing or messing with and its just sad.

 

but hang on ppl who support those buffs will come in so hang in tight XD



tajj7 #4 Posted 16 May 2019 - 11:36 PM

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View PostStrizi, on 16 May 2019 - 06:38 PM, said:

 

-dispersion feels better but its still not on russian

 

Have you actually looked at the dispersion values? It's 0.12/0.12/0.07, with a 1.63s aim time.

 

Thats a better gun handling package than like a 907 or Super Conq, its probably on par with a Patton which has 0.10/0.10/0.08 with a 1.82s aim time. 

 

And that is with 420 alpha as well, nothing with that alpha really handles that well. 

 

Its probably now in the top 3/4 meds for gun handling. 

 

Also no one seems to have noticed it has HESH now with 510 alpha and 105mm of pen. 


Edited by tajj7, 16 May 2019 - 11:48 PM.


Hezs #5 Posted 16 May 2019 - 11:49 PM

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Leopard 1 hits very well now, it feels like a sniper it shouldh have been a long time go. Tanks.gg ain't showing any dpm reduce, what are you talkin about ?

 

https://tanks.gg/com...10ct~m48-patton


Edited by Hezs, 16 May 2019 - 11:55 PM.


DeadLecter #6 Posted 17 May 2019 - 12:11 AM

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View Posttajj7, on 17 May 2019 - 02:06 AM, said:

 

Have you actually looked at the dispersion values? It's 0.12/0.12/0.07, with a 1.63s aim time.

 

Thats a better gun handling package than like a 907 or Super Conq, its probably on par with a Patton which has 0.10/0.10/0.08 with a 1.82s aim time. 

 

And that is with 420 alpha as well, nothing with that alpha really handles that well. 

 

Its probably now in the top 3/4 meds for gun handling. 

 

Also no one seems to have noticed it has HESH now with 510 alpha and 105mm of pen. 

None of these numbers matter. There are hidden stats that WG doesn't share with anyone.

Obj 430 with 0.4 accuracy hits long range targets just as often as 0.30 guns. How is that possible? What is the point of sacrificing everything for an accuracy that doesn't work?

If you can't hit the lower plate of a tank from 500 meters then you are not a long range sniper. Other tanks can't do it either. So what's that accuracy for? Look at Strv 103B, That's what a sniper is. Not a tank like Leo 1. 99% of the time I see Leo 1s getting raped. 
With that said, I still want to research Leo 1. It's looks sexy as hell. But I know what I'm getting myself into so no regrets here.



badabum #7 Posted 17 May 2019 - 03:39 AM

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The Leopard 1 needs buffs not nerfs, i'm disappointed by this patch. Trading survivability (on a tank with no armor and less camo than 430u) for a bit of gun handling and theoretical 5km/h is not the way to go. 

Edited by badabum, 17 May 2019 - 07:32 AM.


mani_GGr #8 Posted 17 May 2019 - 07:01 AM

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Guys, do you know how Leopard is supposed to be played? The buffs on CT have made the tank so much better, it's what it was supposed to be in 2k16, the gun handling is PHENOMENAL. Remember that this is a tank with very high skill ceiling, not meant to be played like rasha-in-your-face style.

The buffs it received fit it very well but it doesn't change the fact that Leopard has been out-of-meta for a while.



SplittingVoid #9 Posted 17 May 2019 - 07:53 AM

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View Posttajj7, on 16 May 2019 - 11:36 PM, said:

 

Have you actually looked at the dispersion values? It's 0.12/0.12/0.07, with a 1.63s aim time.

 

Thats a better gun handling package than like a 907 or Super Conq, its probably on par with a Patton which has 0.10/0.10/0.08 with a 1.82s aim time. 

 

And that is with 420 alpha as well, nothing with that alpha really handles that well. 

 

Its probably now in the top 3/4 meds for gun handling. 

 

Also no one seems to have noticed it has HESH now with 510 alpha and 105mm of pen. 

 

The mobility should remain the same as should the HP pool...No reason to nerf those. 

With the current meta of teams melting in the first 2-3 minutes, you're left with a long reload , lousy traverse on medium and soft terrain

Running away will be much harder now with the nerf. On top of that low HP and the amount of module damage you take in the leopard 1 is still the same. 

In order to use the 'phenomenal' gun handling , one should be able to survive first. 


Edited by SplittingVoid, 17 May 2019 - 08:05 AM.


SplittingVoid #10 Posted 17 May 2019 - 08:06 AM

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View Postmani_GGr, on 17 May 2019 - 07:01 AM, said:

Guys, do you know how Leopard is supposed to be played? The buffs on CT have made the tank so much better, it's what it was supposed to be in 2k16, the gun handling is PHENOMENAL. Remember that this is a tank with very high skill ceiling, not meant to be played like rasha-in-your-face style.

The buffs it received fit it very well but it doesn't change the fact that Leopard has been out-of-meta for a while.

 

for a while? LUL...since when has it been competitive I cant even remember.

The_Georgian_One #11 Posted 17 May 2019 - 08:55 AM

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I know the buffs aren't sufficient for many of you, but I'm still very much looking forward to playing this tank with the fatton-like gun handling and devastating, high pen, HEP rounds. 

74Karsa #12 Posted 17 May 2019 - 09:11 AM

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The gun handling buffs were long overdue but the damage increase was not needed or asked for, the nerfs to the mobility ruin the tank for me, cant turn, cant reverse, high top speed but havnt got the acceleration so u never reach it, as soon as u hit a hill feels like you are pulling a plow behind you, the tanks mobility was the only method to avoid enemy fire now its a sitting duck. All you had to do was fix the gun handling and the tank would have been fine, but it seems the balance department doesnt play the game ( I mean why break the one thing that was enjoyable about the tank?), and so we end up going from the fun to play but hard to master light/medium that was reasonably fast and agile with mediocre firepower at the cost of armour protection, to some kind of medium/TD hybrid with good firepower but sacrifice pretty much everything else for it, if i wanted a grille 15 i would play that instead. How to fix this- revert the damage increase to 390 and revert mobility changes but keep the gun handling buffs, the tank is still made out of paper so in a brawl it still loses but at medium range it can use its mobility to outplay opponents i mean ANYONE who has played the tank and is in any way reasonable would tell you this is the way to go, and if you try and tell me it would be op then u dont play this game.

The_Georgian_One #13 Posted 17 May 2019 - 09:29 AM

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@74Karsa I played the tank, albeit not extensively, cause I waited for the buffs. I think the alpha increase is a good move. The mobility nerfs are difficult to assess for me, but I will take higher alpha with basically same DPM each day every day. 

tajj7 #14 Posted 17 May 2019 - 09:32 AM

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View PostDeadLecter, on 16 May 2019 - 11:11 PM, said:

None of these numbers matter. There are hidden stats that WG doesn't share with anyone.

 

 

*edited

View PostSplittingVoid, on 17 May 2019 - 06:53 AM, said:

Running away will be much harder now with the nerf. 

 

*edited


Edited by flashmove_iron, 17 May 2019 - 10:44 AM.
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View Posttajj7, on 17 May 2019 - 12:02 PM, said:

 

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My proof is hundreds of non-aimed shots in Russian tanks(And some tanks from other nations) that magically land right on the targets and the number of fully aimed shots I miss in my sniper tanks. And this has been proven before. Some tanks have the same terrain resistance and p/w ratio yet one of them is significantly faster than the other one. 


Edited by flashmove_iron, 17 May 2019 - 10:50 AM.


Oldewolfe #16 Posted 17 May 2019 - 10:36 AM

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I felt it Snapped Well....       Fast Aim, hits Hard, the Velocity looked nice too....     

 

Hit an EBR105 on Westfield from the North East Hill near the Rail Bridge, he was already moving Down the Valley and Away from me, Right Click kept me Locked until he turned Straight...      But the Shell DID Reach him at that Range....       Also Snapped another Leopard I On Glacier while Running away from the Red Hordes coming off the Hill with a 4005 in Tow.....

 

It Butters the Lower Plate and Side of a Full Charge IS7, despite his Swerving trying to Bounce the Shot....     He took 5 Hits from me alone from the Heavy Brawl on Studzianki, that the Team left WIDE Open, to the Rock just off the Burm with the Rail Tracks, he never reached me before the 5th Shell Ended him.....       S.Conq still hods Up though pretty well....

 

Gonna play it some more Tonight, as well as get the EBR105 out and see if the Leopard can keep Up, or if I just got Lucky....



m4inbrain #17 Posted 17 May 2019 - 12:43 PM

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Really enjoy the "new" Leo. I don't care that it turns slightly worse, or is now just "on par" with other meds for reverse speed rather than "better" (many, or iirc most meds reverse at 20 or less). It reaches and holds 68-70 even offroad comfortably. For that, you'll get probably the best handling gun on T10. The "new" Leo now snapshots as well, if not subjectively better than a Patton. The role of the Leo didn't change, it just can do its current role way better now. I don't care for the alpha increase - though nice to have -, just the new gun (soft) stats are worth the reduction in hull traverse (turret traverse was buffed btw) and reverse speed (i don't even get the whining about it, you barely ever reach 23 in reverse anyway, or are you reversing across the map?). 

 

If they go live with these changes as they are (without nerfing/removing any changes), i'll rebuy my Leo. 



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View PostDeadLecter, on 17 May 2019 - 08:45 AM, said:

My proof is hundreds of non-aimed shots in Russian tanks(And some tanks from other nations) that magically land right on the targets and the number of fully aimed shots I miss in my sniper tanks. And this has been proven before. Some tanks have the same terrain resistance and p/w ratio yet one of them is significantly faster than the other one. 

 

So no proof then, good to know.



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Shouldn't they buff all L7's in the game... what's the logic?

 

If people want a 430U just grind the tank..asking other tanks to become like the 430U makes no sense at all.

 

IMHO, Leopard1 L7 should be inferior to the Centurian AX, the gun is English after all.

 

Germans already have the best tier 9 Russian med... you could make a German 430U also, and end all this whining about the Leopard


Edited by pecopad, 17 May 2019 - 01:37 PM.


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View Postpecopad, on 17 May 2019 - 01:30 PM, said:

Shouldn't they buff all L7's in the game... what's the logic?

 

If people want a 430U just grind the tank..asking other tanks to become like the 430U makes no sense at all.

 

IMHO, Leopard1 L7 should be inferior to the Centurian AX, the gun is English after all.

 

Germans already have the best tier 9 Russian med... you could make a German 430U also, and end all this whining about the Leopard

 

And the crown for the dumbest thing today goes to you good Sir.




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