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RollerCrime #1 Posted 19 May 2019 - 11:03 PM

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There is not much to talk about. The question is easy. When will you nerf 252U/Defender? 

SharpBlue #2 Posted 19 May 2019 - 11:08 PM

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Never.

 

The tank will stay the same, as will all prems.

 

Power creep might get it, in the long run.

 

 



7thSyndicate #3 Posted 20 May 2019 - 01:46 AM

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Defender cannot be nerfed, even if he could be changed it would be most likely a buff, bc wargaming

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kaneloon #4 Posted 20 May 2019 - 02:12 AM

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Yeah don't wait, buy one now before powercreep.

EdvinE20 #5 Posted 20 May 2019 - 02:32 AM

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It will probably never get nerfed as it's a premium tank that people paid real money for :confused:

SuedKAT #6 Posted 20 May 2019 - 03:40 AM

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View PostEdvinE20, on 20 May 2019 - 02:32 AM, said:

It will probably never get nerfed as it's a premium tank that people paid real money for :confused:

 

True, but it's strange that they paint themselves into a corner over and over again by releasing tanks like these, makes me want to use this meme I found in some store a while ago:

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BobbyBrandon #7 Posted 20 May 2019 - 04:22 AM

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Wg had no problem nerfing Type 59 and SPershing in the past but they weren't soviet tanks. Defender is blatantly OP and also soviet so nerf won't happen. 

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I wanna see a buff for defender not a nerf !!!!! :justwait:

superkart #9 Posted 20 May 2019 - 07:45 AM

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View PostSuedKAT, on 20 May 2019 - 03:40 AM, said:

 

True, but it's strange that they paint themselves into a corner over and over again by releasing tanks like these, makes me want to use this meme I found in some store a while ago:

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I don't think they feel they have put themselves into a corner with the Defender.

If they did, it wouldn't still be appearing in the shop during specials.

OP tanks are an essential part of WG's strategy for increasing their income.

And yes, they are always Russian, if they are not (E-25 anyone?) it is by mistake.

If they are not Russian they get nerfed or removed.

I have no problem with that seeing as the vast majority of players are Russian.

Yes, the Defender is a big PITA and a rage-inducing monstrosity by WG but I guess one can see it as a challenge and cope.

Most red players wouldn't stick around for too long if it were not for these OP tanks or the more laid back playstyle of derp guns and arty etc.

Their house their rules.


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Schepel #10 Posted 20 May 2019 - 10:21 AM

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I quite like the myth of the OP defender. As long as people keep believing in it, they will play like it is invincible. Defenders in FL are basically rank pinatas. In randoms, only T6/7 tanks have anything to fear from it.

 

Just in case the OP hadn't figured this one out, I am going to state what ought to be common knowledge by now. 1. Hit the roof. 190 pen goes through. 2. Hit the lower side of the LFP. From 200 pen you will pen a decent percentage of your shots.



DuncaN_101 #11 Posted 20 May 2019 - 10:39 AM

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What schepel said... Its not that op really.

SuedKAT #12 Posted 20 May 2019 - 12:09 PM

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View Postsuperkart, on 20 May 2019 - 07:45 AM, said:

 

I don't think they feel they have put themselves into a corner with the Defender.

If they did, it wouldn't still be appearing in the shop during specials.

OP tanks are an essential part of WG's strategy for increasing their income.

And yes, they are always Russian, if they are not (E-25 anyone?) it is by mistake.

If they are not Russian they get nerfed or removed.

I have no problem with that seeing as the vast majority of players are Russian.

Yes, the Defender is a big PITA and a rage-inducing monstrosity by WG but I guess one can see it as a challenge and cope.

Most red players wouldn't stick around for too long if it were not for these OP tanks or the more laid back playstyle of derp guns and arty etc.

Their house their rules.

 

The Defender is in the shop on a regular basis and it pop up in specials just as much, got my own from the "loot boxes" during this Christmas event as an example and it wasn't that long ago I got a marketing mail telling me that the Defender was in the shop. The reason they've painted themselves into a corner is that to match the performance of for example the Defender they need to buff other tier 8 HT's and while doing so they are screwing over other tier 8's not to mention tier 7's and 6's, putting something so obviously superior in the shop will also test the endurance of anyone playing WoT on a more serious level which ain't exactly optimal if they want to keep their customers.

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Never. As we all know what did happen the last time WG wanted to change a premium with the KV-5. And how it went when they did change the T26E4 by removing half it's front armor... before they buffed it back 2 years later. So I suspect they will remain as is.

 

That tank is IMO a prefect example on who has gotten the better deal with the new MM and the more equal tier games on tier 8. Same as with the French tier 5 arty and the removal of the old SPG MM and ammo etc. As he is the only SPG atm with HEAT. And considering how those two affect tier 5 and 8 matches in general. They should not sell them anymore.. at all. But we all know how long that worked.



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View PostDuncaN_101, on 20 May 2019 - 09:39 AM, said:

What schepel said... Its not that op really.

 

No it is not. For tier 9 standards. :hiding:

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View Postsuperkart, on 20 May 2019 - 07:45 AM, said:

 

I don't think they feel they have put themselves into a corner with the Defender.

If they did, it wouldn't still be appearing in the shop during specials.

OP tanks are an essential part of WG's strategy for increasing their income.

And yes, they are always Russian, if they are not (E-25 anyone?) it is by mistake.

If they are not Russian they get nerfed or removed.

I have no problem with that seeing as the vast majority of players are Russian.

Yes, the Defender is a big PITA and a rage-inducing monstrosity by WG but I guess one can see it as a challenge and cope.

Most red players wouldn't stick around for too long if it were not for these OP tanks or the more laid back playstyle of derp guns and arty etc.

Their house their rules.

 

No pretty much the majority of the newer premiums is over performing. The best example ist the spaghetti tank. In capable hands its one of the most op tanks. However since the average Joe can't handle it it seems balanced.

It's not jsut Russian premiums in short. The SP nerfs were a fiasco for WG. They never attempted another premium nerf. 



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View PostSuedKAT, on 20 May 2019 - 03:40 AM, said:

 

True, but it's strange that they paint themselves into a corner over and over again by releasing tanks like these, makes me want to use this meme I found in some store a while ago:

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If you look at what they did with the Aircraftcarriers in WOWS you wouldn`t be surprised.
First they change how they play and before its even finished they start selling several tier 8 CVs and now the complains about their OP ness 
have forced them to nerf change (nerf) them and of course people are not happy at all.

SuedKAT #17 Posted 20 May 2019 - 03:51 PM

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View PostSolstad1069, on 20 May 2019 - 03:45 PM, said:

 

If you look at what they did with the Aircraftcarriers in WOWS you wouldn`t be surprised.
First they change how they play and before its even finished they start selling several tier 8 CVs and now the complains about their OP ness 
have forced them to nerf change (nerf) them and of course people are not happy at all.

 

I wonder who exactly is in charge at WG at times, seems like the marketing/finance department have a lot more to say than anyone with a clue about what's good/bad for the game(s) at least and I must admit it was a long time ago since I come across a game publisher that feel as confused as WG does in regards to what to do with their product.  

Miljac72 #18 Posted 20 May 2019 - 05:14 PM

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Are you using auto aim?

The defender is everything but not OP.

SuedKAT #19 Posted 20 May 2019 - 05:18 PM

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View PostMiljac72, on 20 May 2019 - 05:14 PM, said:

Are you using auto aim?

The defender is everything but not OP.

 

Yep totally balanced indeed: 



XxKuzkina_MatxX #20 Posted 20 May 2019 - 05:33 PM

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View PostSuedKAT, on 20 May 2019 - 08:18 PM, said:

Yep totally balanced indeed:

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Does that mean the IS-6 is OP too? :)

 

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I just noticed this a few weeks ago, this not to say anything specific about the Defender's performance or the IS-6's but it is definitely worth looking at. Some other factors affect the formation of these curves, factors beside the actual tank stats.






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