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232MM #1 Posted 21 May 2019 - 10:39 PM

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Arty is nerfed???Phahahaha.... Limit the arty crapto 1 in battle....

SnowRelic #2 Posted 21 May 2019 - 11:16 PM

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Wrong. When arty is present, WG should limit the minimum to 15 arties on each side. All problems solved.

Wintermute_1 #3 Posted 21 May 2019 - 11:17 PM

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How did this 'comment' fall out of the pinned thread?

Edited by Wintermute_1, 21 May 2019 - 11:18 PM.


MeetriX #4 Posted 22 May 2019 - 12:41 AM

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spamhamstar #5 Posted 22 May 2019 - 12:42 AM

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View Post232MM, on 21 May 2019 - 09:39 PM, said:

Arty is nerfed???Phahahaha.... Limit the arty crapto 1 in battle....

 

They can't, as explained many times in the sticky arty thread if you'd care to look there.

AbsoluteMadLad #6 Posted 22 May 2019 - 05:20 AM

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View Postspamhamstar, on 22 May 2019 - 12:42 AM, said:

 

They can't, as explained many times in the sticky arty thread if you'd care to look there.

 

They can't? The only reason I saw them say about that is that it would  "instead of 'sometimes' having 3 arty games and more no arty games, it would make pretty much every game include 1 arty"

 

Meanwhile at tier 10 it is a mircale to meet less than 3 arty games and no arty games are happening once a 100 years. 

 

These arties are a credit sink and nothing else. They are here for you to use your medkit and charge you for repairs. 



Yaccay #7 Posted 22 May 2019 - 05:49 AM

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It is always funny, when someone, who played 900+ games with tier IX arty is whining about arty.

jack_timber #8 Posted 22 May 2019 - 06:57 AM

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View PostYaccay, on 22 May 2019 - 04:49 AM, said:

It is always funny, when someone, who played 900+ games with tier IX arty is whining about arty.

 

He's played 900+....

Reminds me of that old saying.... Do as I say, not as I do.



superkart #9 Posted 22 May 2019 - 07:12 AM

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You must be new to this.

Arty started out 100 times worse in this game, then got nerfed and nerfed and nerfed and, guess what, nerfed.

For us "old dogs" arty isn't even a thing nowadays.

Not that we have grown to like to getting shot by the skys*its but it is manageable and,dare I say,useful part of the gameplay experience.

 



spamhamstar #10 Posted 22 May 2019 - 07:31 AM

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View PostAbsoluteMadLad, on 22 May 2019 - 04:20 AM, said:

 

They can't? The only reason I saw them say about that is that it would  "instead of 'sometimes' having 3 arty games and more no arty games, it would make pretty much every game include 1 arty"

 

Meanwhile at tier 10 it is a mircale to meet less than 3 arty games and no arty games are happening once a 100 years. 

 

These arties are a credit sink and nothing else. They are here for you to use your medkit and charge you for repairs. 

 

OK, they can if they really want to, but there are very good reasons why they haven't.  I stand corrected.

 

I don't play the game anymore & stopped playing arty years before that so am not really partisan in this issue anymore, but if you actually look at the figures, limiting arty to 1 per side does not look like a good solution. 

 

For those of us that dislike arty it'd mean absolutely no arty free games & for the 9.18% of people on avg choosing to play arty at any given time it'd mean significantly longer waiting times for battles.  Which could be something of a problem given that they already feel the need to give warnings about wait times even with a 3 arty limit.

 

There are plenty of other potential solutions or perhaps arty is nearly ok as it is.  It's all better off being discussed in the sticky arty thread though, rather than one that'll be closed as soon as one of the mods notices it.  Besides everything that I've said here, has already been said there, but with actual numbers and stuff.



Yakito #11 Posted 22 May 2019 - 07:57 AM

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View Postsuperkart, on 22 May 2019 - 06:12 AM, said:

You must be new to this.

Arty started out 100 times worse in this game, then got nerfed and nerfed and nerfed and, guess what, nerfed.

For us "old dogs" arty isn't even a thing nowadays.

Not that we have grown to like to getting shot by the skys*its but it is manageable and,dare I say,useful part of the gameplay experience.

 

 

For us "old dogs" it's baffling how WG still manages to keep the SPGs around at all, since they've been ruining the enjoyment for pretty much everyone that isn't a disabled person. I'm serious. The only reason anybody would play artillery these days is because they perhaps can't physically play something more demanding. 



superkart #12 Posted 22 May 2019 - 09:55 AM

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View PostYakito, on 22 May 2019 - 07:57 AM, said:

 

For us "old dogs" it's baffling how WG still manages to keep the SPGs around at all, since they've been ruining the enjoyment for pretty much everyone that isn't a disabled person. I'm serious. The only reason anybody would play artillery these days is because they perhaps can't physically play something more demanding. 

 

Thankfully the game is not in the hands of those that like to simplify things because they cannot see past the first tree.

If it were down to me I would never remove artillery, even if I have only played it for missions and have spent most of my WoT life getting clicked.

People will complain about arty, RNG, lack of skill-based MM, +-2 MM etc etc meaning they have no understanding of what it is that makes people get hooked on this game and play tens of thousands of battles.

This conversation has never led anywhere anyway.

In my experience, people at WG have a very clear idea of how these things work in promoting the game and I cannot disagree with ,at least, the things that make up the core gameplay.

If it were down to the player base, if it were down to democracy, the choices the playerbase would make would kill the game in less than a month.

 



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View PostSnowRelic, on 21 May 2019 - 11:16 PM, said:

Wrong. When arty is present, WG should limit the minimum to 15 arties on each side. All problems solved.

 

Oh those were the days when you were the only HT on the map vs 15 SPG's at 2 AM on tier X.

 

That said, I'm warming up to the idea too. Even if it means having 1 arty in every single game, vs the odd free game here and there. But at the least it should be 2, or regulate by power. As we class HT by a heavium, HT and super heavy. SPG's should be no different. Having 3 M44's on each vs 3 FV304's is not ideal. Or AMX 105's vs just Lefhs.



Karasu_Hidesuke #14 Posted 22 May 2019 - 10:42 AM

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Incomiiiiiing! :arta:

ZlatanArKung #15 Posted 22 May 2019 - 12:42 PM

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View Postsuperkart, on 22 May 2019 - 09:55 AM, said:

 

Thankfully the game is not in the hands of those that like to simplify things because they cannot see past the first tree.

If it were down to me I would never remove artillery, even if I have only played it for missions and have spent most of my WoT life getting clicked.

People will complain about arty, RNG, lack of skill-based MM, +-2 MM etc etc meaning they have no understanding of what it is that makes people get hooked on this game and play tens of thousands of battles.

This conversation has never led anywhere anyway.

In my experience, people at WG have a very clear idea of how these things work in promoting the game and I cannot disagree with ,at least, the things that make up the core gameplay.

If it were down to the player base, if it were down to democracy, the choices the playerbase would make would kill the game in less than a month.

 

This conversation have led to nerf of arty.

Limiting of arty to 5.

Limiting of arty to 3.

Change damage to stun.

Reduce stun.

Reduce splash damage.

 

So I think it have lead to some changes. 



shikaka9 #16 Posted 22 May 2019 - 01:01 PM

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time to close

SoupFork #17 Posted 22 May 2019 - 02:08 PM

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A small but loud, vocal, minority who claim to speak for “the majority/all” want arty removed. I respect your opinion, but I have by now lost all respect for how you are trying to achieve this.

 

They incessantly push their agenda with daily pointless, heavily biased polls, questionable claims, unsubstantiated statistics and cry-threads, even though there’s a dedicated, pinned thread for it already.

 

Meanwhile, they are so insecure about the validity of their point that they constantly feel the need to exaggerate how many players hate arty and how horrible and hurty it makes everyone feel. And how almost all of their games are ruined by arty. 

 

If you disagree with them, you get insulted. Or teamkilled.

If you play arty, they happily TK you and openly applaud others who do.

They openly tell players to actively go out and kill arty.

If you try to objectively argue with them, they immediately resort to personal attacks and insults instead of arguing the point.

They assert arty should be removed because it targets them and victimizes them. They want a safe space and the authorities to protect them from getting their feelings hurt by removing the trigger.

Sound familiar yet? 

Yep, In the real world that would be called ideological extremism.



Nishi_Kinuyo #18 Posted 22 May 2019 - 02:47 PM

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Okay, we've reduced the maximum number of arty per team to 3.

You happy now?



SilviettaG #19 Posted 22 May 2019 - 03:36 PM

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Hello guys,

 

This thread has been locked due to non constructive content. 

 

Thank you for your understanding. :bajan:

 

Have a nice day! :B

 






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