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Zmago5000 #4461 Posted 30 May 2019 - 06:13 PM

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do these t10 premiums foch % 183 come with a credit multiplier or not?

TurkarTV #4462 Posted 30 May 2019 - 06:14 PM

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View PostZmago5000, on 30 May 2019 - 06:13 PM, said:

do these t10 premiums foch % 183 come with a credit multiplier or not?

 


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AAKettu #4463 Posted 30 May 2019 - 06:15 PM

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25 milj. Foch 155 :teethhappy::teethhappy::teethhappy:

KanonenVogel19 #4464 Posted 30 May 2019 - 06:19 PM

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View PostZmago5000, on 30 May 2019 - 06:13 PM, said:

do these t10 premiums foch % 183 come with a credit multiplier or not?

 

Nope, they only get the beneficial crew training, not the beneficial credits earning :)

Remarius #4465 Posted 30 May 2019 - 06:22 PM

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View PostKanonenVogel19, on 30 May 2019 - 05:07 PM, said:

 

Thing is, we have no idea what WG comes up with in the upcoming months or even weeks ;)

 

 

For starters, it's 25 million credits for a tank that's worse in all regards compared to its tech tree counterpart.

 

Then we also have this:

 

+   201500     50%, S35 CA

  670516     30%, ARL V39

  945000     30%, AMX AC 46

+  2184500     15%, AMX AC 48

+  3119500     15%, Foch

+  5185000     15%, Foch B

-----------------------------------

= 12306016

+  5000000     50%, Equipment for tier V-IX.

= 17306016

 

That's about 8 million credits less than the cost in the black market, and then we also havn't taken into consideration that most players will make a profit atleast while playing up to tier 7 or 8. Also, most likely while grinding, there will be missions etc that yeild you even more credits, increasing the difference further.

 

Well atleast that's the difference :)

 

Except you can't get that tank anymore so its a remarkably pointless argument.

 



BravelyRanAway #4466 Posted 30 May 2019 - 06:26 PM

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View PostKanonenVogel19, on 30 May 2019 - 05:07 PM, said:

 

Well atleast that's the difference :)

Don't forget earning the credits playing your favourite tanks.........and no grind at all.:)



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View PostRemarius, on 30 May 2019 - 06:22 PM, said:

Except you can't get that tank anymore so its a remarkably pointless argument.

 

It's not pointless just because it doesn't apply to you. If you're a tank collector that values just having the tank in your garage, then by all means, purchase it. But if we're talking about a player that wants something more than just collecting it, then it's not worth it. For such a player it doesn't matter if the tank is no longer aviable since the tech tree version looks exactly the same exept for the gun barrell, and the tech tree version is better on every single parameter expect penetration.



LCpl_Jones #4468 Posted 30 May 2019 - 06:29 PM

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i 'missed' it due to work, 25 million ? dearer the the fv :teethhappy:

KanonenVogel19 #4469 Posted 30 May 2019 - 06:29 PM

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View PostBravelyRanAway, on 30 May 2019 - 06:26 PM, said:

Don't forget earning the credits playing your favourite tanks.........and no grind at all.:)

 

Yeah, but that also comes down to each players grind "strategy". I prefer to do only daily bonuses on tanks that I dislike. That gives me more time playing the tanks that I like. Anyhow, I do agree with you that anyone interested in the tank should get it, but to just purchase it because it's offered is quite pointless, especially since the price is very high.
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View PostLCpl_Jones, on 30 May 2019 - 06:29 PM, said:

i 'missed' it due to work, 25 million ? dearer the the fv :teethhappy:

 

There's still 1030 left :P

mjs_89 #4470 Posted 30 May 2019 - 06:30 PM

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View PostKanonenVogel19, on 30 May 2019 - 06:27 PM, said:

 

It's not pointless just because it doesn't apply to you. If you're a tank collector that values just having the tank in your garage, then by all means, purchase it. But if we're talking about a player that wants something more than just collecting it, then it's not worth it. For such a player it doesn't matter if the tank is no longer aviable since the tech tree version looks exactly the same exept for the gun barrell, and the tech tree version is better on every single parameter expect penetration.

 

Wrong. I'm no collector and if i had to choose I'd much prefer the Foch 155 over the Foch B. Mostly because of the HE shells, and on top of that I don't have to grind an entire tech tree to get it. That's what, 600-700k xp I'd need to grind? Hell no, I've got better things to do tbh...

KanonenVogel19 #4471 Posted 30 May 2019 - 06:37 PM

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View Postmjs_89, on 30 May 2019 - 06:30 PM, said:

Wrong. I'm no collector and if i had to choose I'd much prefer the Foch 155 over the Foch B. Mostly because of the HE shells, and on top of that I don't have to grind an entire tech tree to get it. That's what, 600-700k xp I'd need to grind? Hell no, I've got better things to do tbh...

 

There's no right or wrong on this, it's just an opinion. If you like it, then by all means, buy it. I'm just explaining why I wouldn't do it, but since it's your credits, you're entitled to do whatever you want with them :)



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View PostKanonenVogel19, on 30 May 2019 - 05:29 PM, said:

 

 especially since the price is very high.

Which is subjective.:)

I said I wouldn't buy one, but just did now, because it is free, it has no monetary value to someone who's been playing since 2010.;)



DangerMouse #4473 Posted 30 May 2019 - 06:51 PM

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Lucky to get the BlackDog on day 1 for 5 mill and then the PZ V/IV so happy with how it went.

VarzA #4474 Posted 30 May 2019 - 06:52 PM

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View PostKanonenVogel19, on 30 May 2019 - 06:07 PM, said:

 

Thing is, we have no idea what WG comes up with in the upcoming months or even weeks ;)

 

 

For starters, it's 25 million credits for a tank that's worse in all regards compared to its tech tree counterpart.

 

Then we also have this:

 

+   201500     50%, S35 CA

  670516     30%, ARL V39

  945000     30%, AMX AC 46

+  2184500     15%, AMX AC 48

+  3119500     15%, Foch

+  5185000     15%, Foch B

-----------------------------------

= 12306016

+  5000000     50%, Equipment for tier V-IX.

= 17306016

 

That's about 8 million credits less than the cost in the black market, and then we also havn't taken into consideration that most players will make a profit atleast while playing up to tier 7 or 8. Also, most likely while grinding, there will be missions etc that yeild you even more credits, increasing the difference further.

 

Well atleast that's the difference :)

You are assuming ToTT, which can no longer be relied upon.

You are assuming no resale of the previous tank, and forget about the misery that is the t4-t7. Even the T8 is highly limited because of it's huge weakspots and low HP. The line starts to shine with the t9 in general, or the t8 if you are nothing but sniper schnitzel.

And finally, regarding the bolded, you are 100% wrong, it is not worse in every aspect compared to the Foch B.

Because of it's much higher alpha and module damage, it can work better as an ambusher, and the pen of the 155mm AP is only slightly worse than that of the 120mm APCR, once you account for the deficiencies of APCR.


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KanonenVogel19 #4475 Posted 30 May 2019 - 06:55 PM

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Anyhow. Thanks WG for this very interesting event, even if you managed to completely mess up my sleeping schedule :P

 

I hope that you'll do something similiar in the future, and if you do, that you add more variety to please both the players that are just out for regular premium tanks, and also the ones that are after more rare tanks, maybe even those that want something other than tanks. For example, allowing players to pick one out of multiple offers each 12 hours would be a good idea.

 

I also hope that this event was some kind of testing for the upcoming bonds shop, as I've been waiting patiently for that quite some time now.

 

Also, thank you WG for the Blackdog and the T34 B, in my opinion, those 2 where the best offers :great:



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Great new that the foch is on sale!!!! Let's do MT-15 :justwait:

LCpl_Jones #4477 Posted 30 May 2019 - 07:02 PM

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View PostKanonenVogel19, on 30 May 2019 - 06:29 PM, said:

There's still 1030 left :P

 

still at work tho, couple hours yet :P



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View PostVarzA, on 30 May 2019 - 06:52 PM, said:

You are assuming ToTT, which can no longer be relied upon.

 

Nope. Top of the Tree would have given us 30% discount on tiers VIII-X, while in the calculation I only used 15%. The 15% discount is quite common actually. It's quite wasteful to buy tanks when they're not on discount, but as I said, everyone is in charge of their own credits.

 

View PostVarzA, on 30 May 2019 - 06:52 PM, said:

You are assuming no resale of the previous tank

 

Actually, I forgot about selling the previous vehicles. That means the difference in cost between getting the tech tree Foch B and the Foch 155 would be an even worse deal.

 

View PostVarzA, on 30 May 2019 - 06:52 PM, said:

forget about the misery that is the t4-t7.

 

I didn't count in tier I-IV because the costs of these tanks are so small it's not even worth calculating them. And besides many players skip these tiers with free xp. The tier 6 and tier 7 are not miserable at all since they have good guns. Of course that depends on how you play them, but if you play them as supporters and snipers, they work quite well.

 

View PostVarzA, on 30 May 2019 - 06:52 PM, said:

or the t8 if you are nothing but sniper schnitzel.

 

To be honest, you shouldn't get a TD if you're allergic to sniping ;)

 

View PostVarzA, on 30 May 2019 - 06:52 PM, said:

And finally, regarding the bolded, you are 100% wrong, it is not worse in every aspect compared to the Foch B.

Because of it's much higher alpha and module damage, it can work better as an ambusher, and the pen of the 155mm AP is only slightly worse than that of the 120mm APCR, once you account for the deficiencies of APCR.

 

It's worse on everything expect penetration and alpha*. Compare it ingame and you'll see for yourself.

 

* = Actually, it's discussible if the alpha is worse or not. The Foch 155 has 750 alpha, while the Foch B has 400 alpha. But you need to take the magazine shell reload into consideration aswell. Foch 155 takes 5 seconds to reload 1 shell, while Foch B takes 2 seconds to reload 1 shell. That means, after 2 seconds, the Foch 155 has done 750 damage, while the Foch B has done 800 damage. On top of that, the Foch B reloads its magazine faster and still has higher magazine damage potential.

 

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View PostLCpl_Jones, on 30 May 2019 - 07:02 PM, said:

still at work tho, couple hours yet :P

 

Oh :(

 

Well, atleast in my opinion, you're not missing anything important. I've been looking at that purchase button for well about 30-60 minutes now and trying to find a single good argument except for it being unaviable in the tech tree, and I can't find it. The economy speaks for itself, so does the math. Basically it's 25 million credits to get a worse version of the Foch B.


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Thank you for the nice event WG.

 

it was fun, the guesses the insecurity (please make sure nobody leaks anything next time it spoils all the good fun)

 

and bought a lot of tanks I would have otherwise not.



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View PostKanonenVogel19, on 30 May 2019 - 06:27 PM, said:

 

It's not pointless just because it doesn't apply to you. If you're a tank collector that values just having the tank in your garage, then by all means, purchase it. But if we're talking about a player that wants something more than just collecting it, then it's not worth it. For such a player it doesn't matter if the tank is no longer aviable since the tech tree version looks exactly the same exept for the gun barrell, and the tech tree version is better on every single parameter expect penetration.

 

Sorry dude I do not agree with you.

a TD is built around its GUN ! it is not something secondary. A medium has usually mobility/speed to flank or change side BUT a TD is supposed to ambush and kill (or at least heavily damge) its opponent taking the first shot advantage.

Foch B is way worst in this . Yes it has 6 round clip BUT the worst pen among TD at tier X.(257MM normal round is a Joke at Tier X)

Foch 155 one of the best. So for the way I play TD this is way more important. 

Anyway I like TD the most and I was ready to pay the price  for something that a "new" player like me cannot research /grind anymore.

OFC this is only my opinion, BUT Black Market was good also for this : everyone can give a different value to the same obj. and none force anyone to buy to keep playing.

Have a good evening

 






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