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nagje #4501 Posted 30 May 2019 - 09:03 PM

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View Postexori, on 30 May 2019 - 07:30 PM, said:

 

10/22h would be terrible. if you start with 10h you have every1 working at that time.

6/18h is perfect. those ppl working from 7-15, 8-16 even those 9-17 have 2 chances to buy the tanks.

and remember, working ppl are those who are paying the most.

 

6-18 is terrible!

People who work and have a lif with for example kids can´t make it to come online at those times. They can come online after 8 pm so a 10/22h would give them at least 1 opportunity. 9/21 would also be great.

 

Imo even better would have been a 6 hour time windows and a smaller amount of tanks each time (eg. 4* 250 instead of 1 * 1000) which are repeated.



killermachine01 #4502 Posted 30 May 2019 - 09:04 PM

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This would have been a great event if:

1. prices were reasonable (a bit more than they were, but again, WG writes the rules)

2. there were low-tier premiums for newer players that were not Pz. II Js

3. anyone could buy the tanks they wanted, and not be limited by other players

And I think that choosing between 3 tanks every 12 hours would be a much better execution of a great idea than this, but this is just a suggestion



DarkFalcon357 #4503 Posted 30 May 2019 - 09:06 PM

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Maybe I will get lucky, maybe I won't. When am I ever going to get the chance to get some of these tanks again? 

 

Like I said, I think the idea was good but it could have been better executed - maybe next time it will :)



CelalaltJe #4504 Posted 30 May 2019 - 09:17 PM

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Is there any other offer for tomorrow moroning, in compensation for 2 x T34 black, or not? 

 

Thx.



KanonenVogel19 #4505 Posted 30 May 2019 - 09:20 PM

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View PostVarzA, on 30 May 2019 - 08:45 PM, said:

You took apart my post, to prove some imagining idea, and completely went past my main idea.

 

It was not an imaging idea, I made a calculation on how much it would cost to grind the tier 10 tech tree version. Nothing made up there, I took all the real costs from the client. Actually, if anything, the calculation was a bit wrong in favour of the Foch 155, since most of us buy equipment on discount, and when selling the previous tanks in the branch, we get back the cost in equipment, thus, the 5 million I added on the end should not even be there.

 

View PostVarzA, on 30 May 2019 - 08:45 PM, said:

The t4-t7 are miserable and annoying, t4/t7 by far the worst, and the t6 is pretty bad too

 

This is just an opinion vs opinion. I didn't find the tier 6 or tier 7 bad at all. Quite the oposite, their guns where amazing for the tier. The tier 4 was indeed frustrating, but how long do you stay at tier 4? And you also have the possibility to just skip it with free xp, it only costs 4'215 free xp.

 

View PostVarzA, on 30 May 2019 - 08:45 PM, said:

I never said i'm allergic to sniping

 

No, but you did point out that the tier 8 could only snipe. Which made me wonder why you'd play a TD and not snipe? Especially if the TD has no reliable armor and/or lots of weakspots.

 

View PostVarzA, on 30 May 2019 - 08:45 PM, said:

you consider the module damage a 120mm vs a 155mm does to be the same (no difference, really ?).

 

No, I understand that the module damage of a 155 mm gun is higher, but it seems you don't understand that the 120 mm gun gets to shoot twice as many shots. While the 155 mm gun has a module damage of 210, the 120 mm gun has a module damage of 2 times 165.

 

View PostVarzA, on 30 May 2019 - 08:45 PM, said:

I'll make the calculations easy for you, i'll give you a general formula.

Foch B has 6 rounds of 400 alpha; it unloads in 0+(n-1)x2, where n is the number of shells in the clip, and 2 is the intraclip reload, which gives you 10s flat to fully unload.

Foch 155 has 3 rounds of 750 alpha; it unloads in 0+(2)x5=10s, which again is the same.

The difference in DPM between them comes from the fact that the Foch 155 reloads the enire clip in +10-12s.

 

So what is it you wanted to prove with these formulas? Because right now, the only thing you've proved is that they both take the same time to empty their magazines, yet the Foch B has a shorter magazine reload time and a higher magazine damage potential. All this combined means that even though they both can empty their clip in 10 seconds, the Foch B has ~33% higher DPM.

 

View PostVarzA, on 30 May 2019 - 08:45 PM, said:

However, i will argue that the DPM debate between these 2 tanks is borderline pointless, as they are ambush tanks, designed find a favorable situation and quickly unload, which is where the Foch B suffers ... it's intraclip reload is slightly too fast to reaim, you need to aim for like 2-2.5s after each shot, and 257/325mm of pen kinda sucks.

 

Yes, they're ambush tanks, and thus they also benefit from reloading their magazines quicker. The quicker they reload, the quicker they can make the next ambush, or defend themselves, etc. Not to mention that having 6 shells instead of 3 shells will be beneficial in an ambush situation where you face on or multiple targets with low hitpoints. Instead of wasting a 750 alpha shell on a tank with 100 hitpoints, you waste a 400 alpha shell instead, which you have twice as many of.

 

Also, if you have gld + vents + brother in arms, you get an aiming time of 1.92. That should be enough. Also, consider how often you get to unload a full 6 shell burst without any pause at really long ranges? Most often the enemy will go behind cover after a few seconds, you might not even be able to get off a second shot with the 155 gun, while you might be able to with the 120 mm gun. Also, often the enemy is close enough that you can shoot the next shot even if it has not fully aimed, and then you don't need to be fully aimed to make an accurate shot.

 

View PostVarzA, on 30 May 2019 - 08:45 PM, said:

leave deconstructionism at home

 

I don't even know what that word actually means means so... :unsure:



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View PostCelalaltJe, on 30 May 2019 - 09:17 PM, said:

Is there any other offer for tomorrow moroning, in compensation for 2 x T34 black, or not? 

 

Thx.

 

Yes, but that was tonight's offer (the market was originally ending this morning, they extended it to today's afternoon offer) 

sgtPompom #4507 Posted 30 May 2019 - 10:09 PM

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View PostCelalaltJe, on 30 May 2019 - 09:17 PM, said:

Is there any other offer for tomorrow moroning, in compensation for 2 x T34 black, or not? 

 

Thx.

 

Why compensation? T34B second sale was done in addition of planned sale, not in replacement.

The second sale of T34B was a compensation already (for Black Market issues on RU server, but they did the second sale on EU too, even if we didn't have the issue RU had).

We had all planned sales, plus one unplanned extra already. So what do you want WG to give a compensation for?



slippery_KT #4508 Posted 30 May 2019 - 10:22 PM

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View PostCelalaltJe, on 30 May 2019 - 09:17 PM, said:

Is there any other offer for tomorrow moroning, in compensation for 2 x T34 black, or not? 

 

Thx.

 

Yes from tomorrow morning till December 1st 2025 there are 38000 Alpine tigers for sale

Edited by slippery_KT, 30 May 2019 - 10:22 PM.


LCpl_Jones #4509 Posted 30 May 2019 - 10:25 PM

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View PostKanonenVogel19, on 30 May 2019 - 07:05 PM, said:

Oh :(

 

Well, atleast in my opinion, you're not missing anything important. I've been looking at that purchase button for well about 30-60 minutes now and trying to find a single good argument except for it being unaviable in the tech tree, and I can't find it. The economy speaks for itself, so does the math. Basically it's 25 million credits to get a worse version of the Foch B.

 

'couple of hours' well that was an underestimation :angry: 

 

i got the fv because meme tank, i just can't see any redeeming feature for the foch :unsure: so that's a no from me

 

View PostBravelyRanAway, on 30 May 2019 - 08:32 PM, said:

......roll out of bed......

 

you underestimate my ingenuity and how close i can get a bed to the pc :teethhappy:

 

View PostKanonenVogel19, on 30 May 2019 - 08:44 PM, said:

I simply can't buy stuff without starting to think: do I want this?..........

 

think ? i just clicked, probably why i've got a sexton in the garage lol :facepalm:

 

View Post__Eric__, on 30 May 2019 - 08:58 PM, said:

But they can't please everybody. 

 

yep no matter the time it won't be right for everyone. was alright for me tho :trollface:, other then today and monday afternoon due to work but missed nothing of note on those days 

 

i got lucky and managed to acquire all the tanks i wanted and one i didn't :teethhappy:

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View Postslippery_KT, on 30 May 2019 - 10:22 PM, said:

 

Yes from tomorrow morning till December 1st 2025 there are 38000 Alpine tigers for sale

 

:teethhappy: wonder how cheap they'd need to get before they start to sell

 

although wg could buff it massively just for the lol's :trollface:



Jonathan078NL #4510 Posted 30 May 2019 - 10:54 PM

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Hello everyone,

 

I have to say that this was a really nice event! Thanks alot WG, hope you'll do this again in the future/yearly (with different tanks obviously).

 

For the ones that care, in this event I have glady obtained the following:

 

  1. M41 75 90 'Black Dog'
  2. FCM 36 Pak 40
  3. Pz. IV Hydro
  4. Caernarvon AX
  5. T34 Black
  6. Pz. V / IV

 

I missed out on the Sexton 1 but can't have everything huh? The Tier 10's in this event I found pretty pricey compared to the lower tiers, besides that they probably cost some credits to ride too. I was really after the "real" premiums for credits which would be difficult to obtain after buying a FV215b (183) for instance. Also the lack of more credit income with these tier 10's that a ''real'' premium has was a deal breaker for me. So those facts were my motivation to skip these tier 10's so I could have enough silver for the other premiums. Pz. V / IV was an exception, the rarity of this tank was worth the gold IMO.

 

I still have 22 million credits left now and didn't have to sell any tanks (did sell some equipment and consumables though). Again a great event. Was able to obtain a couple of rare tanks which is always nice.

 

Again: Thanks alot WG! :medal:

 


Edited by Jonathan078NL, 30 May 2019 - 11:03 PM.


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Nice event.

Got the FV215 183, FCM 36 pak, sexton, caernarvon and pzV/IV which I really really really wanted. 

 

GG WP WG!



televore #4512 Posted 31 May 2019 - 12:22 AM

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View Postslippery_KT, on 30 May 2019 - 09:22 PM, said:

 

Yes from tomorrow morning till December 1st 2025 there are 38000 Alpine tigers for sale

 

It's the "last offer" from the game itself.

WoT_RU_Doing #4513 Posted 31 May 2019 - 12:41 AM

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View PostCelalaltJe, on 30 May 2019 - 08:17 PM, said:

Is there any other offer for tomorrow moroning, in compensation for 2 x T34 black, or not?

 

Thx.

 

Why would they compensate you for extending one offer, and the entire event, by 12 hours?

King_of_Terrors #4514 Posted 31 May 2019 - 01:02 AM

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Many of players get foch,never heard of him before 7 days...But yea,my dream come true..i get it after long time dreaming.. tnx WG it was nice event..i wake up 4 days in 5.45. I know is not theme of this topic ..pls buff pen of AMX 30b..

Dalriadaman #4515 Posted 31 May 2019 - 01:37 AM

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Good event overall and nice to pick up the two Panzers. Only change I would make is to sell just one tank per day - so instead of 20,000 units in the morning do 10,000 in the morning sale and the other 10,000 in the afternoon. That way everyone gets a chance to purchase. Or if you still want to sell lots of types do two tanks in the morning and the same two tanks later on. The server woohaa with the T34B pushing back the sale by 12hrs meant the Foch I could have got this morning I then couldn't in its later evening slot :( Assuming the micropatch wouldn't have screwed me. Seriously, who puts a micropatch in during a time-sensitive sale?

winirion #4516 Posted 31 May 2019 - 04:22 AM

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Goo idea for the exciting "something new and interesting", but i got punished by working....

 

Still dont understand, why the more spicy offers had to be all in the evening :-(

 

This way it robbed me of even any chance to purchase the vehicles i wanted....  Next time please consider that not everyone can be there at one time and maybe divide the offers....

 

Sorry for venting like this, but if you hope for a long time to have a chance to get the FV215b 183 and then you are UNABLE to get it....

Disappointed, disappointed, disappointed...



WoT_RU_Doing #4517 Posted 31 May 2019 - 04:23 AM

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04:25....anytime now people will start to find out whether they remembered to set their alarm clocks back to a normal time.


Edited by WoT_RU_Doing, 31 May 2019 - 04:26 AM.


X_Warlock_X #4518 Posted 31 May 2019 - 05:18 AM

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View Postkillermachine01, on 30 May 2019 - 09:04 PM, said:

This would have been a great event if:

1. prices were reasonable (a bit more than they were, but again, WG writes the rules)

2. there were low-tier premiums for newer players that were not Pz. II Js

3. anyone could buy the tanks they wanted, and not be limited by other players

And I think that choosing between 3 tanks every 12 hours would be a much better execution of a great idea than this, but this is just a suggestion

 

yeah that wud all 've been great , but then it wud not 've been buying something in Black...

 

Usually when you buy something in Black , what does it means really ?

 

-the item is limited in some numbers

-you have to pay hefty price whether in Gold or Credits , for something you really want n not easily available.

and usually most guys who wanna something reasonable wud hesitate.

 

it's just like buying Cinema tickets for some movie you with your gf really wanna see ,

BUT for Overprice n guys who sells has limited number of tickets too.

 

it's like take it or leave it for some Overprice for something you don't usually get.

 

So Indeed WG tried to make it make it as close to How Black Market works.

 

 

 

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View Postwinirion, on 31 May 2019 - 04:22 AM, said:

Goo idea for the exciting "something new and interesting", but i got punished by working....

 

Still dont understand, why the more spicy offers had to be all in the evening :-(

 

This way it robbed me of even any chance to purchase the vehicles i wanted....  Next time please consider that not everyone can be there at one time and maybe divide the offers....

 

Sorry for venting like this, but if you hope for a long time to have a chance to get the FV215b 183 and then you are UNABLE to get it....

Disappointed, disappointed, disappointed...

 

May be better idea would 've been

 

-to put sales at 10pm or 11pm or 12 pm CEST ...

-and only 1 item for 1 day..

-and while increase the number of days instead of just 7 , make it last 10 days or 12 days..if items are more..

 

-also may be limit the number of item to be like 9000-10,000 , so that it does not floods/spams the Match-maker like.


Edited by X_Warlock_X, 31 May 2019 - 05:32 AM.


wolfsrain #4519 Posted 31 May 2019 - 05:57 AM

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Black market is closed. The bald, shady guy left the town. Probably the cops are looking for him for selling dubious tanks to some dubious people.

Edited by wolfsrain, 31 May 2019 - 06:37 AM.


Silverwarg #4520 Posted 31 May 2019 - 08:30 AM

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Didn't see anything I really wanted for the price that was offered... A bit bummed out. :/




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