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Does the ELC Even 90 needs a buff?

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naxela #1 Posted 28 May 2019 - 12:49 PM

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-Gun handling is really bad because of bad pen, shell velocity and aim time, also the ELC Even 90 have 1152 dpm, other tier 8 light tanks have at least 2000 dpm. According to the bad gun handling the ELC Even 90 isn't a light wich is being able to be a 'damage' light. So its must be a scouting tank.

 

-When a light tank don't have a good gun it needs to take advantage of his scouting role, the ELC Even have a vieuw range of 380 wich makes it really hard with a non-skilled 100% crew to get at least the max-vieuwrange of 445. 

 

-I also would like to mention the bad mobility, the power to weight is so bad that it loses almost 50% of his speed when hitting a tree or driving on hard terrain so it can't use its abillity to be an active scout. Wich leaves the ELC Even 90 to one job, bush camping. A premium tank worth €25,- needs more than a small size and a good camorate.

 

-Compared to other (premium) light tanks the ELC even 90 loses on gun handling, armor, speed, spotting, except camo. This tank is too much underrated and really needs a buff. 

 

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Edited by naxela, 28 May 2019 - 04:16 PM.


LordSkyFury #2 Posted 28 May 2019 - 01:02 PM

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It does not need any buff. It is highly specialized tank for pure scouting thanks for its size and camo values. If you want better gun performance than there are many other better choices from tier 8 light tanks. Not to mention that gun performance stats was always available to see so you decided to buy pure scout tank with knowledge of bad gun performance.

Edited by LordSkyFury, 28 May 2019 - 01:04 PM.


naxela #3 Posted 28 May 2019 - 01:04 PM

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View PostLordSkyFury, on 28 May 2019 - 12:02 PM, said:

It does not need any buff. It is highly specialized tank for pure scouting thanks for its size and camo values. If you want better gun performance than there are many other better choices from tier 8 light tanks.

 

Not only his gun, also the power to weight, when you hit a tree while moving you lose 50% of your speed...

LordSkyFury #4 Posted 28 May 2019 - 01:05 PM

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View Postnaxela, on 28 May 2019 - 01:04 PM, said:

 

Not only his gun, also the power to weight, when you hit a tree while moving you lose 50% of your speed...

 

It weights 7 tons. What did you expect?

Edited by LordSkyFury, 28 May 2019 - 01:08 PM.


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For every buff it gets, its size increase 20%, okay?

naxela #6 Posted 28 May 2019 - 01:10 PM

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View PostLordSkyFury, on 28 May 2019 - 12:05 PM, said:

 

It weight 7 tons. What did you expect?

 

Let me say first, i really like this tiny tank, i have almost 400 battles in it and some really good ones, one with almost 4000 damage. But still it feels for me that it needs a buff, i dont think a tank only needs good camo. Everything else is terrible.

-Dpm

-Power to weight

-Aim time

-Even a view range of 380, so you are forced to use food or binox when you dont have recon and situational awareness yet.


Edited by naxela, 28 May 2019 - 01:14 PM.


LordSkyFury #7 Posted 28 May 2019 - 01:29 PM

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View Postnaxela, on 28 May 2019 - 01:10 PM, said:

 

Let me say first, i really like this tiny tank, i have almost 400 battles in it and some really good ones, one with almost 4000 damage. But still it feels for me that it needs a buff, i dont think a tank only needs good camo. Everything else is terrible.

-Dpm

-Power to weight

-Aim time

-Even a view range of 380, so you are forced to use food or binox when you dont have recon and situational awareness yet.

 

Aim time and DPM does not need buff because this tank never meant to be damage dealer but scout. Power to weight does not need to improve because its strength is in size and you should focus on where are you driving. View range is pretty standard for tier 8 light tank.

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View PostLordSkyFury, on 28 May 2019 - 12:29 PM, said:

 

Aim time and DPM does not need buff because this tank never meant to be damage dealer but scout. Power to weight does not need to improve because its strength is in size and you should focus on where are you driving. View range is pretty standard for tier 8 light tank.

 

Ok, i agree on dpm and aim time, but i still think its power to weight needs to be buffed, yes its strength is in size, but its still too bad even for a tiny tank like this one.

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Even though statistically it's doing quite well, it needs a DPM increase to at least 1600 base and better gun-handling.

 

Camo is nice but it doesn't win you matches if the objective of the game is to kill all enemy tanks. In the end, you will *HAVE* to do damage as you can not rely on your team to do damage for you so every tank in the game needs to be able to carry in the hands of a skilled player.

 

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Edited by Cobra6, 28 May 2019 - 01:56 PM.


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LordSkyFury #11 Posted 28 May 2019 - 02:06 PM

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View PostCobra6, on 28 May 2019 - 01:55 PM, said:

 every tank in the game needs to be able to carry in the hands of a skilled player.

 

That is not true, if you buy specialized tank that rely on team play. Everyone, who bought this tank, known that it has garbage gun and yet they still bought it which means they bought it for its pure scout proportions so they have to known it is strictly connected to performance of your own team.



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View PostLordSkyFury, on 28 May 2019 - 01:06 PM, said:

 

That is not true, if you buy specialized tank that rely on team play. Everyone, who bought this tank, known that it has garbage gun and yet they still bought it which means they bought it for its pure scout proportions so they have to known it is strictly connected to performance of your own team.

 

Even the scout proportions are not that good according to the bad vieuw range and the bad power to weight.You said the vieuw range is pretty standard,

M41 blackdog has 400 metres

Hwk 30 has 410 metres

M41D has 390 metres

T92 400 metres

LT 432 380 metres

 

Only the LT has a bad vieuwrange too, but its turret is armored, it has a reliable gun and not a bad power to weight like the ELC.

 

All the tanks above except LT 432 have a much better vieuwrange and also a reliable gun, the elc don't have both. It can only rely on its camo and size. Wich isn't enough for a tier 8 premium tank. But thats my opinion.


Edited by naxela, 28 May 2019 - 02:22 PM.


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View Postnaxela, on 28 May 2019 - 02:21 PM, said:

 

Even the scout proportions are not that good according to the bad vieuw range and the bad power to weight.You said the vieuw range is pretty standard,

M41 blackdog has 400 metres

Hwk 30 has 410 metres

M41D has 390 metres

T92 400 metres

LT 432 380 metres

 

Only the LT has a bad vieuwrange too, but its turret is armored, it has a reliable gun and not a bad power to weight like the ELC.

 

All the tanks above except LT 432 have a much better vieuwrange and also a reliable gun, the elc don't have both. It can only rely on its camo and size. Wich isn't enough for a tier 8 premium tank. But thats my opinion.

 

If you want to compare view range than compare all tier 8 LTs not just premium. And there is 2x410, 3x400, 1x390 and 5x380(not counting LTs that were not sold or wheeled vehicles). So yes 380 is pretty standard.


Edited by LordSkyFury, 28 May 2019 - 02:33 PM.


vasilinhorulezz #14 Posted 28 May 2019 - 02:52 PM

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Gun handling is at arty levels with bad pen, shell velocity, but the most crucial problem is the mobility, it bleeds speed when turning, hitting obstacles or entering soft terrain like hell. Although it is a dedicated spotter, it can not use this ability to active scout and it's only options are to camp bush, which is the least fun game-play for a tank that can go 70kph. With the mobility addressed it should be able to run at that speed without losing to much speed, so it will be viable in scouting or circling opponents.

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View Postvasilinhorulezz, on 28 May 2019 - 01:52 PM, said:

Gun handling is at arty levels with bad pen, shell velocity, but the most crucial problem is the mobility, it bleeds speed when turning, hitting obstacles or entering soft terrain like hell. Although it is a dedicated spotter, it can not use this ability to active scout and it's only options are to camp bush, which is the least fun game-play for a tank that can go 70kph. With the mobility addressed it should be able to run at that speed without loosing to much speed, so it will be viable in scouting or circling opponents.

 

Exactly

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View PostLordSkyFury, on 28 May 2019 - 01:06 PM, said:

 

That is not true, if you buy specialized tank that rely on team play. Everyone, who bought this tank, known that it has garbage gun and yet they still bought it which means they bought it for its pure scout proportions so they have to known it is strictly connected to performance of your own team.

 

Funny then how good players can get very consistently performance in terms of win ratio/damage out of pretty much all tanks in the game except the utter garbage ones. According to your logic this should not be possible.

 

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It's good little tonk aight but what I think the gun department doesn't exactly need to be first to buff but mobility. If you get seen, you need to get out there ASAP and sometimes it's very frustating with that p/w ratio.

 

(and of course biggest obstacle is maps, city corridors doesn't suit for this at all)



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View Postnaxela, on 28 May 2019 - 11:49 AM, said:

-Gun handling is really bad because of bad pen, shell velocity and aim time, also the ELC Even 90 have 1152 dpm, other tier 8 light tanks have at least 2000 dpm. According to the bad gun handling the ELC Even 90 isn't a light wich is being able to be a 'damage' light. So its must be a scouting tank.

 

-When a light tank don't have a good gun it needs to take advantage of his scouting role, the ELC Even have a vieuw range of 380 wich makes it really hard with a non-skilled 100% crew to get at least the max-vieuwrange of 445. 

 

-I also would like to mention the bad mobility, the power to weight is so bad that it loses almost 50% of his speed when hitting a tree or driving on hard terrain so it can't use its abillity to be an active scout. Wich leaves the ELC Even 90 to one job, bush camping. A premium tank worth €25,- needs more than a small size and a good camorate.

 

-Compared to other (premium) light tanks the ELC even 90 loses on gun handling, armor, speed, spotting, except camo. This tank is too much underrated and really needs a buff. 

 

Please like:

http://forum.worldoftanks.eu/index.php?/topic/641894-wot-suggestions-thread/page__st__2040#topmost

 

 

You don't play badly in it

 



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View Postnaxela, on 28 May 2019 - 01:10 PM, said:

-Dpm

-Aim time

 

And what would be a good DPM idea for you? As it has a 3 round clip. Sure it only has 1200 DPM, but considering the burst damage, speed and camo combo. You can't give it 2000 DPM.  Sure I can agree on the aim time, as most 90mm light guns on tier 8 are around the 2-sec mark. But again, clip gun. So 2.2 would help.  And power to weight? IMO no. That area is fine.

 

The only thing they need to do with DPM and the gun, is to make it 240 alpha vs 220. As that makes zero sense vs even the tier 5 ELC.

 

 

View Postnaxela, on 28 May 2019 - 12:49 PM, said:

-When a light tank don't have a good gun it needs to take advantage of his scouting role, the ELC Even have a vieuw range of 380 wich makes it really hard with a non-skilled 100% crew to get at least the max-vieuwrange of 445.

 

Then run a binocs/optics combo. As even then with a 100% base crew with no skills you are in the 430 to 480 area. And considering its camo value with no crew skills is still 25% in the open on the move. It means most needs to be 312m close to spot you if they have 400m view range exactly. Thus you can use your camo to active spot better than anyone... even with a bad crew. Toss on the camo directive that FL tosses 100+ on you each season. Then they have to be 256m or closer to spot you, in the open with your non camo crew. Can't even say that for my other tier 8 lights with good crews. That's why it has a bit lower view range. 420 base would make it a tad broken. As mine on that tier are mostly in the 30% area with camo on all crews.

 

 

View Postnaxela, on 28 May 2019 - 12:49 PM, said:

-When a light tank don't have a good gun it needs to take advantage of his scouting role, the ELC Even have a vieuw range of 380 wich makes it really hard with a non-skilled 100% crew to get at least the max-vieuwrange of 445.

 

Tbh... when it can't scout. It's still one of the better hit and run lights on that tier... with tracks. And when it can scout. It can still be effective, even with a bad crew. It's one of the better light trainers I have when I have a bad crew on it. I don't feel that gimped like I do on my T92 etc when doing a scout role vs it.

 

 

 



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Yass... I think they should put wheels on it and make it go 100km/h. 

 

Oh wait, we have that already. 






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